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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

RTF is Return To Forever. KC is King Crimson. And I just disagree that even the notorious Buddy Rich could beat Peart, or that Jaco or Les have an advantage on Ged. They're all top of the top players for sure, but to me, Rush just is that top, and songwriting is still a huge factor that I don't think most other virtuoso players come close to Rush on.

 

I'll grant you this though. Obviously there are players who are more technically proficient than Geddy, Alex, and Neil. The odds are that the greatest bass player of all time was never even recorded seeing as recording technology has only been around for a fraction of the time that the string bass has been. That's just statistics. And that's not to mention the hundreds of jaw dropping technical showcase players that have been recorded by YouTube and Instagram in the past 15 years. To me though, technical proficiency does not equal talent. For example, in the movie Whiplash, the ability to play a double time swing beat at something like 400 bpm is held up as this "be all, end all" of jazz drumming. If you couldn't play it right in the movie, you were a talentless hack who didn't belong on stage with the best university jazz ensemble in the world.

 

In real life, being able to play that fast is perhaps a valuable skill for a pro player in a top band, but it's not a black and white test of one's talent. If all music is to a player is a competition to become more and more technically proficient, that player may very well miss out on the art of the matter. Take a look at the Beatles or the Stones. Often regarded as some of the greatest songwriters and most all around talented musicians of all time despite blatantly obvious technical shortcomings from every member of either band. Keith couldn't sweep pick to save his life, and Ringo will probably never play 6:00 by Dream Theater. Likewise, Petrucci and Portnoy (though they are exceptional songwriters for their style and have brushed success with more conventional pop songs before) will not be writing Something or Angie anytime soon, and if someone brought either of them a song of that caliber, they would likely never play quite as tastefully on it as Ringo or Keith would.

 

So where does all of this put Rush? Subjectively speaking, I think Rush land right at the top of the pile when you look at talent holistically. Technically they're some of most skilled players of all time, artistically they're one of the most creative and effective songwriting units of all time, and as performers their unmatched live reputation precedes them for good reason. I believe they are the most talented because they have the whole package, and I struggle to think of another band I would say that about.

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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

I didn't read the entire thread but RTF is probably Return to Forever who were a jazz fusion band from the 70's. They reappeared in the 2000's which is when I saw them live. Great band. Yeah, KC is probably King Crimson and were also great musicians. To this list I would add Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't think there has ever been any better musicians than them(like RTF also jazz fusion)but that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Yes fan and for a long time they were my favorite band. Comparing them to Rush isn't really fair but if I had to choose I think at their peak Yes were slightly better musicians. When Bill Bruford left they became slightly less good because Alan White wasn't as good as Bill Bruford but they still made some great music. Gentle Giant were another band who had top notch musicians but I doubt many people on this page reading this have any idea who they were. They were another underrated prog rock band from the seventies. After King crimson they are the most well known(or one of them at least)of the lesser knowns.

 

Gentle Giant are well known to my ears! :)

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In response to everyone here who says no, I say yes. The sound and music produced by Rush has been surpassed by no one. EVER. Sure there are other bands that are also very talented but I think ignoring what made Rush so great and just writing them off as "not as good" undermines what made them great as musicians and masters of their craft. How many of the great rock bands of the 1970's and 1980's were as active and produced just as much music as Rush? Not very many. A handful at best. The Rolling Stones, The Eagles, Van Halen, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden. That's all I can think of. Except for the Rolling Stones Rush was active for just as long if not longer than all of these bands.

 

Longevity can certainly speak to one's talent as well!

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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

I didn't read the entire thread but RTF is probably Return to Forever who were a jazz fusion band from the 70's. They reappeared in the 2000's which is when I saw them live. Great band. Yeah, KC is probably King Crimson and were also great musicians. To this list I would add Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't think there has ever been any better musicians than them(like RTF also jazz fusion)but that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Yes fan and for a long time they were my favorite band. Comparing them to Rush isn't really fair but if I had to choose I think at their peak Yes were slightly better musicians. When Bill Bruford left they became slightly less good because Alan White wasn't as good as Bill Bruford but they still made some great music. Gentle Giant were another band who had top notch musicians but I doubt many people on this page reading this have any idea who they were. They were another underrated prog rock band from the seventies. After King crimson they are the most well known(or one of them at least)of the lesser knowns.

 

Gentle Giant are well known to my ears! :)

 

Well, a lot of prog rock fans are Rush fans but not all Rush fans are big prog fans. ;)

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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

I didn't read the entire thread but RTF is probably Return to Forever who were a jazz fusion band from the 70's. They reappeared in the 2000's which is when I saw them live. Great band. Yeah, KC is probably King Crimson and were also great musicians. To this list I would add Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't think there has ever been any better musicians than them(like RTF also jazz fusion)but that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Yes fan and for a long time they were my favorite band. Comparing them to Rush isn't really fair but if I had to choose I think at their peak Yes were slightly better musicians. When Bill Bruford left they became slightly less good because Alan White wasn't as good as Bill Bruford but they still made some great music. Gentle Giant were another band who had top notch musicians but I doubt many people on this page reading this have any idea who they were. They were another underrated prog rock band from the seventies. After King crimson they are the most well known(or one of them at least)of the lesser knowns.

 

Gentle Giant are well known to my ears! :)

 

Well, a lot of prog rock fans are Rush fans but not all Rush fans are big prog fans. ;)

 

It took me a while to find out there was more to prog than Rush, Yes, and Floyd, and a while longer to actually give it a try...but man am I neck deep in it now. Ngl I've actually only heard three GG albums but all three are phenomenal and I've been looking to get my next one for a while. I have Octopus, In A Glass House, and The Power And The Glory.

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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

return to forever

 

 

 

Who is Return To Forever? Lol

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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

return to forever

 

 

 

Who is Return To Forever? Lol

 

Chick Corea's jazz and jazz fusion band from the 70s! Treeduck can tell you all about them!

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I already answered the who is return to forever. See above. I'll add a bit more though. They were a fusion band who started out more in the jazz direction before becoming pure fusion. The classic lineup featured Stanley Clarke(bass), Lenny White(drums), Chick Corea(keyboards) and Al Di Meola(guitar).
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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

I didn't read the entire thread but RTF is probably Return to Forever who were a jazz fusion band from the 70's. They reappeared in the 2000's which is when I saw them live. Great band. Yeah, KC is probably King Crimson and were also great musicians. To this list I would add Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't think there has ever been any better musicians than them(like RTF also jazz fusion)but that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Yes fan and for a long time they were my favorite band. Comparing them to Rush isn't really fair but if I had to choose I think at their peak Yes were slightly better musicians. When Bill Bruford left they became slightly less good because Alan White wasn't as good as Bill Bruford but they still made some great music. Gentle Giant were another band who had top notch musicians but I doubt many people on this page reading this have any idea who they were. They were another underrated prog rock band from the seventies. After King crimson they are the most well known(or one of them at least)of the lesser knowns.

 

Gentle Giant are well known to my ears! :)

 

Well, a lot of prog rock fans are Rush fans but not all Rush fans are big prog fans. ;)

 

That's true.

It's interesting there is a big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans. That's really surprising to me, because Rush and VH are vastly different styles of rock music.

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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

I didn't read the entire thread but RTF is probably Return to Forever who were a jazz fusion band from the 70's. They reappeared in the 2000's which is when I saw them live. Great band. Yeah, KC is probably King Crimson and were also great musicians. To this list I would add Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't think there has ever been any better musicians than them(like RTF also jazz fusion)but that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Yes fan and for a long time they were my favorite band. Comparing them to Rush isn't really fair but if I had to choose I think at their peak Yes were slightly better musicians. When Bill Bruford left they became slightly less good because Alan White wasn't as good as Bill Bruford but they still made some great music. Gentle Giant were another band who had top notch musicians but I doubt many people on this page reading this have any idea who they were. They were another underrated prog rock band from the seventies. After King crimson they are the most well known(or one of them at least)of the lesser knowns.

 

Gentle Giant are well known to my ears! :)

 

Well, a lot of prog rock fans are Rush fans but not all Rush fans are big prog fans. ;)

 

It took me a while to find out there was more to prog than Rush, Yes, and Floyd, and a while longer to actually give it a try...but man am I neck deep in it now. Ngl I've actually only heard three GG albums but all three are phenomenal and I've been looking to get my next one for a while. I have Octopus, In A Glass House, and The Power And The Glory.

 

Those GG albums are very good.

Have you listened Camel and Van Der Graaf Generator? Albums by both bands have the high positions on this list:

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp

 

Check them out.

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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

I didn't read the entire thread but RTF is probably Return to Forever who were a jazz fusion band from the 70's. They reappeared in the 2000's which is when I saw them live. Great band. Yeah, KC is probably King Crimson and were also great musicians. To this list I would add Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't think there has ever been any better musicians than them(like RTF also jazz fusion)but that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Yes fan and for a long time they were my favorite band. Comparing them to Rush isn't really fair but if I had to choose I think at their peak Yes were slightly better musicians. When Bill Bruford left they became slightly less good because Alan White wasn't as good as Bill Bruford but they still made some great music. Gentle Giant were another band who had top notch musicians but I doubt many people on this page reading this have any idea who they were. They were another underrated prog rock band from the seventies. After King crimson they are the most well known(or one of them at least)of the lesser knowns.

 

Gentle Giant are well known to my ears! :)

 

Well, a lot of prog rock fans are Rush fans but not all Rush fans are big prog fans. ;)

 

It took me a while to find out there was more to prog than Rush, Yes, and Floyd, and a while longer to actually give it a try...but man am I neck deep in it now. Ngl I've actually only heard three GG albums but all three are phenomenal and I've been looking to get my next one for a while. I have Octopus, In A Glass House, and The Power And The Glory.

 

Those GG albums are very good.

Have you listened Camel and Van Der Graaf Generator? Albums by both bands have the high positions on this list:

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp

 

Check them out.

 

I’ve heard one album each from them. Both are solid. I’m well acquainted with the Prog Archives list, btw.

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By far, the answer is a definite no. What they do is insane, but in terms of raw talent, as in playing very difficult things, hell no. However, try and find that much talent in one band, that's a problem, and with only three guys.

 

Thing is though, so many jazz-fusion, math rock, prog bands, and tech/extreme metal have musicians that are simply better. They play faster, more complex, etc. it's the truth.

So faster is better?
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Depends what you mean by "talent"

 

For example who is more talented?

 

Bob Dylan or the session guitarist who can shred any style he hires for live performances?

 

I think the answer is obvious myself.....

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Depends what you mean by "talent"

 

For example who is more talented?

 

Bob Dylan or the session guitarist who can shred any style he hires for live performances?

 

I think the answer is obvious myself.....

How many others wrote lyrics and music like Dylan? How many guitarists can shred any style? Answer is very obvious.
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Depends what you mean by "talent"

 

For example who is more talented?

 

Bob Dylan or the session guitarist who can shred any style he hires for live performances?

 

I think the answer is obvious myself.....

How many others wrote lyrics and music like Dylan? How many guitarists can shred any style? Answer is very obvious.

 

So obvious you didn't need to quote me ;)

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Depends what you mean by "talent"

 

For example who is more talented?

 

Bob Dylan or the session guitarist who can shred any style he hires for live performances?

 

I think the answer is obvious myself.....

How many others wrote lyrics and music like Dylan? How many guitarists can shred any style? Answer is very obvious.

 

So obvious you didn't need to quote me ;)

Who's the most talented fist fighter between you two?

 

Fridge who writes lyrics about adventures on the cobbles or Mithrandir who can scrap in any style?

 

I think the answer is obvious myself...

 

And don't quote me ;)

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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

I didn't read the entire thread but RTF is probably Return to Forever who were a jazz fusion band from the 70's. They reappeared in the 2000's which is when I saw them live. Great band. Yeah, KC is probably King Crimson and were also great musicians. To this list I would add Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't think there has ever been any better musicians than them(like RTF also jazz fusion)but that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Yes fan and for a long time they were my favorite band. Comparing them to Rush isn't really fair but if I had to choose I think at their peak Yes were slightly better musicians. When Bill Bruford left they became slightly less good because Alan White wasn't as good as Bill Bruford but they still made some great music. Gentle Giant were another band who had top notch musicians but I doubt many people on this page reading this have any idea who they were. They were another underrated prog rock band from the seventies. After King crimson they are the most well known(or one of them at least)of the lesser knowns.

 

Gentle Giant are well known to my ears! :)

 

Well, a lot of prog rock fans are Rush fans but not all Rush fans are big prog fans. ;)

 

That's true.

It's interesting there is a big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans. That's really surprising to me, because Rush and VH are vastly different styles of rock music.

both have great musicianship
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Depends what you mean by "talent"

 

For example who is more talented?

 

Bob Dylan or the session guitarist who can shred any style he hires for live performances?

 

I think the answer is obvious myself.....

How many others wrote lyrics and music like Dylan? How many guitarists can shred any style? Answer is very obvious.

 

So obvious you didn't need to quote me ;)

Who's the most talented fist fighter between you two?

 

Fridge who writes lyrics about adventures on the cobbles or Mithrandir who can scrap in any style?

 

I think the answer is obvious myself...

 

And don't quote me ;)

 

Ok

 

But the answer to this poll is more obvious.

 

:)

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A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

I didn't read the entire thread but RTF is probably Return to Forever who were a jazz fusion band from the 70's. They reappeared in the 2000's which is when I saw them live. Great band. Yeah, KC is probably King Crimson and were also great musicians. To this list I would add Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't think there has ever been any better musicians than them(like RTF also jazz fusion)but that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Yes fan and for a long time they were my favorite band. Comparing them to Rush isn't really fair but if I had to choose I think at their peak Yes were slightly better musicians. When Bill Bruford left they became slightly less good because Alan White wasn't as good as Bill Bruford but they still made some great music. Gentle Giant were another band who had top notch musicians but I doubt many people on this page reading this have any idea who they were. They were another underrated prog rock band from the seventies. After King crimson they are the most well known(or one of them at least)of the lesser knowns.

 

Gentle Giant are well known to my ears! :)

 

Well, a lot of prog rock fans are Rush fans but not all Rush fans are big prog fans. ;)

 

That's true.

It's interesting there is a big overlap between Rush and Van Halen fans. That's really surprising to me, because Rush and VH are vastly different styles of rock music.

both have great musicianship

There's that, but I always recall the debate in the 80s (thanks to Guitar Player Magazine's yearly polls), who was better Alex or Eddie?

 

I used to listen to Eddie because of his tone, and monster riffs, but his finger tapping was wankery at best...Alex because of his overall ability in writing, unique solos and master riffing.

 

And the answer is obvious ;)

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There's that, but I always recall the debate in the 80s (thanks to Guitar Player Magazine's yearly polls), who was better Alex or Eddie?

 

I used to listen to Eddie because of his tone, and monster riffs, but his finger tapping was wankery at best...Alex because of his overall ability in writing, unique solos and master riffing.

 

And the answer is obvious ;)

 

Unpopular answer but I think Eddie was better than almost everybody on earth. Too bad he's a wanker who spent his career in a wanker band.

They had a few years of maturity with Sammy. That was my favorite VH era. I go back to those songs sometimes, both for Sammy's voice and for Eddie's rhythm work. Mannnn was he powerful.

 

This is from 2015. Check out 6:45 onwards, where Eddie's classical training really shines:

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There's that, but I always recall the debate in the 80s (thanks to Guitar Player Magazine's yearly polls), who was better Alex or Eddie?

 

I used to listen to Eddie because of his tone, and monster riffs, but his finger tapping was wankery at best...Alex because of his overall ability in writing, unique solos and master riffing.

 

And the answer is obvious ;)

 

Unpopular answer but I think Eddie was better than almost everybody on earth. Too bad he's a wanker who spent his career in a wanker band.

They had a few years of maturity with Sammy. That was my favorite VH era. I go back to those songs sometimes, both for Sammy's voice and for Eddie's rhythm work. Mannnn was he powerful.

 

This is from 2015. Check out 6:45 onwards, where Eddie's classical training really shines:

 

Since when is it unpopular to think EVH is the greatest guitarist of all time? Lol. That is a perfectly normal and understandable opinion to have I think. He would certainly make my top ten, not because he's always been a firm favorite of mine, but because my top ten would be a sham without him.

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