50 Years Ago Today: An Eerie, Seductive Sound is Born

[jc4gd]

J2112YYZ,

 

Sure they sounded great, but they had some dud's too.There were other forerunners bands and albums too, though not as successful as Black Sabbath.

 

I first heard We Sod Our Souls For Rock n Rock, which had a lot from Paranoid and some MoR.

 

 

 

J2112YYZ, treeduck,

 

What I meant was the Black Sabbath sound didn't start with the Black Sabbath album, it was already there, but they spread it on two albums.

[J2112YYZ]

J2112YYZ,

 

Sure they sounded great, but they had some dud's too.There were other forerunners bands and albums too, though not as successful as Black Sabbath.

 

I first heard We Sod Our Souls For Rock n Rock, which had a lot from Paranoid and some MoR.

 

 

 

J2112YYZ, treeduck,

 

What I meant was the Black Sabbath sound didn't start with the Black Sabbath album, it was already there, but they spread it on two albums.

 

What do you consider the duds and the other bands and albums that were forerunners?

[RushFanForever]

Black Sabbath's third album is titled 'Master of Reality'.

 

Metallica's third album is titled 'Master of Puppets'.

 

Two major metal acts with third albums which have two of the same words in the title.

 

Edited February 16, 2020 by RushFanForever

[Entre_Perpetuo]

So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album)

 

Yes.

 

Rush did the same in 1975 with Fly By Night and Caress Of Steel. Bands like the Beatles, Stones and Zeppelin have also released two albums in the same year.

Loads of bands did that in the 70's, RUSH, Deep Purple, Kansas, Priest, Thin Lizzy, KISS etc.

 

and Queen!! :)

[treeduck]

So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album)

 

Yes.

 

Rush did the same in 1975 with Fly By Night and Caress Of Steel. Bands like the Beatles, Stones and Zeppelin have also released two albums in the same year.

Loads of bands did that in the 70's, RUSH, Deep Purple, Kansas, Priest, Thin Lizzy, KISS etc.

 

and Queen!! :)

Yeah.

[Entre_Perpetuo]

i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal.

 

he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way.

 

but it made me chuckle.

 

Mick

 

Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us.

 

i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band.

 

ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!!

 

lol.

 

 

Mick

 

MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation.

 

MCR really aren't emo though. The label was used to categorise a lot of bands in the 2000s that were completely disconnected from what came before. It was used lazily. And that's something old school emo fans like me agree with.

 

If the benchmark for Emo is closer to Death Cab, Jimmy Eat World, and Weezer’s Pinkerton, sure I agree. But if it’s something closer to early Panic or FOB (not saying it should be, but it is for many people), then MCR most certainly fits the label, especially on Three Cheers. But yeah, your point is well made.

 

The benchmark for emo is:

 

Rites Of Spring

Embrace

Christie Front Drive

Texas Is The Reason

Sunny Day Real Estate

Braid

 

Bands like Jimmy and Juliana Theory were once closer to these bands and took it to the next level. Fall Out Boy are not emo, they are literally glorified pop punk. MCR, all these bands, they have nothing to do with the genre they were labelled as. It's a throwaway term used far to often. If you think you know emo, and grasp at straws mentioning bands like Jimmy or FOB, you need some serious education ������

 

Huh, guess I don't know squat about emo then. Still, what precisely is wrong about using a certainly label to define a certain sound if people think the word fits that sound?

Edited February 16, 2020 by Entre_Perpetuo

[Segue Myles]

i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal.

 

he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way.

 

but it made me chuckle.

 

Mick

 

Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us.

 

i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band.

 

ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!!

 

lol.

 

 

Mick

 

MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation.

 

MCR really aren't emo though. The label was used to categorise a lot of bands in the 2000s that were completely disconnected from what came before. It was used lazily. And that's something old school emo fans like me agree with.

 

If the benchmark for Emo is closer to Death Cab, Jimmy Eat World, and Weezer’s Pinkerton, sure I agree. But if it’s something closer to early Panic or FOB (not saying it should be, but it is for many people), then MCR most certainly fits the label, especially on Three Cheers. But yeah, your point is well made.

 

The benchmark for emo is:

 

Rites Of Spring

Embrace

Christie Front Drive

Texas Is The Reason

Sunny Day Real Estate

Braid

 

Bands like Jimmy and Juliana Theory were once closer to these bands and took it to the next level. Fall Out Boy are not emo, they are literally glorified pop punk. MCR, all these bands, they have nothing to do with the genre they were labelled as. It's a throwaway term used far to often. If you think you know emo, and grasp at straws mentioning bands like Jimmy or FOB, you need some serious education ������

 

Huh, guess I don't know squat about emo then. Still, what precisely is wrong about using a certainly label to define a certain sound if people think the word fits that sound?

 

Because it would be like calling Taylor Swift goth every time she sings a sad song.

 

The label went from a specific scene, to just be hurled around willy nilly to describe any band with a moody edge.

[Principled Man]

Well, I should have known better.

 

I thought that making a thread about Black Sabbath would generate some good discussion about BLACK SABBATH and their music, lyrics and mystique. Instead, it created just more lame bickering about irrelevant bullshit.

 

Never again.

[jc4gd]

Well, I should have known better.

 

I thought that making a thread about Black Sabbath would generate some good discussion about BLACK SABBATH and their music, lyrics and mystique. Instead, it created just more lame bickering about irrelevant bullshit.

 

Never again.

 

Sorry. Agreed. Another thread is needed for the other issues. Especially origins of heavy metal.(I'm just learning myself). Black Sabbath definitely is a major major contributor.

 

Black Sabbath was released on Friday the 13th according to Wikipedia.So when did they start doing gigs? 69 or earlier?. Seems once they got the record contract they had so much material that they could get on one album.

Edited February 16, 2020 by jc4gd

[jc4gd]

J2112YYZ,

 

Sure they sounded great, but they had some dud's too.There were other forerunners bands and albums too, though not as successful as Black Sabbath.

 

I first heard We Sold Our Souls For Rock n Rock, which had a lot from Paranoid and some MoR.

 

 

 

J2112YYZ, treeduck,

 

What I meant was the Black Sabbath sound didn't start with the Black Sabbath album, it was already there, but they spread it on two albums.

 

What do you consider the duds and the other bands and albums that were forerunners?

 

I think my main issue is when I started listening to them in early 80' there was so much out there that I never got into certain songs or albums. After Born Again i did loose interest for a while. Other bands, we need another thread for that discussion. Seems like it came from different directions(bands) around the same time.

[J2112YYZ]

Well, I should have known better.

 

I thought that making a thread about Black Sabbath would generate some good discussion about BLACK SABBATH and their music, lyrics and mystique. Instead, it created just more lame bickering about irrelevant bullshit.

 

Never again.

 

Sorry. Agreed. Another thread is needed for the other issues. Especially origins of heavy metal.(I'm just learning myself). Black Sabbath definitely is a major major contributor.

 

Black Sabbath was released on Friday the 13th according to Wikipedia.So when did they start doing gigs? 69 or earlier?. Seems once they got the record contract they had so much material that they could get on one album.

 

They were orginally a blues band called Earth. They probably were playing gigs in Birmingham and other parts of the UK for a couple years before the first album. Tony Iommi got into an accident where he worked that damaged the tips of his fingers. So, he had to tune down his guitar in order for the vibration of the strings to not bother his fingers. That's how the heavy Sabbath sound was born. I think they changed the name to Black Sabbath in order to fit the darker tone Iommi had to start playing.

 

The band didn't have much money for studio time when recording their first album. So, they recorded the whole thing in one day.

[Entre_Perpetuo]

Well, I should have known better.

 

I thought that making a thread about Black Sabbath would generate some good discussion about BLACK SABBATH and their music, lyrics and mystique. Instead, it created just more lame bickering about irrelevant bullshit.

 

Never again.

 

Sorry. Agreed. Another thread is needed for the other issues. Especially origins of heavy metal.(I'm just learning myself). Black Sabbath definitely is a major major contributor.

 

Black Sabbath was released on Friday the 13th according to Wikipedia.So when did they start doing gigs? 69 or earlier?. Seems once they got the record contract they had so much material that they could get on one album.

 

They were orginally a blues band called Earth. They probably were playing gigs in Birmingham and other parts of the UK for a couple years before the first album. Tony Iommi got into an accident where he worked that damaged the tips of his fingers. So, he had to tune down his guitar in order for the vibration of the strings to not bother his fingers. That's how the heavy Sabbath sound was born. I think they changed the name to Black Sabbath in order to fit the darker tone Iommi had to start playing.

 

The band didn't have much money for studio time when recording their first album. So, they recorded the whole thing in one day.

 

They had to change the name from Earth to something else when they discovered there was another relevant band already called Earth. Otherwise spot on.

[bluefox4000]

Well, I should have known better.

 

I thought that making a thread about Black Sabbath would generate some good discussion about BLACK SABBATH and their music, lyrics and mystique. Instead, it created just more lame bickering about irrelevant bullshit.

 

Never again.

 

Guess you've never been here, lol

 

iMick

[bluefox4000]

EMO 4 LIFE.

 

Mick

[Rick N. Backer]

Listened to the debut today. Awesome.

[RushFanForever]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN2FYIhGwaA

[Nova Carmina]

I am not a superfan or have any expert insight, but I have heard the argument that the first album is meh, but they really "became" Black Sabbath with Paranoid. From what I've heard of the first one, it sounds pretty much like what would come later, but of course it lacks "Paranoid" and "Iron Man."

 

Anything in that theory?

[Rick N. Backer]

I am not a superfan or have any expert insight, but I have heard the argument that the first album is meh, but they really "became" Black Sabbath with Paranoid. From what I've heard of the first one, it sounds pretty much like what would come later, but of course it lacks "Paranoid" and "Iron Man."

 

Anything in that theory?

 

The debut has some great moments, but too much noodling and jamming to be their best work for my tastes. Paranoid is one of the best albums ever released. Not too surprising that the debut isn’t seen as better.

[Blue J]

So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album)

 

Yes.

 

Rush did the same in 1975 with Fly By Night and Caress Of Steel. Bands like the Beatles, Stones and Zeppelin have also released two albums in the same year.

 

And Robert Pollard of Guided By Voices released seven albums (and one of them was a double album) in 2011. A lot, even by his standards. He has slowed down some since then, but still manages around three albums of new material every year.

[Blue J]

So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album)

 

Yes.

 

Rush did the same in 1975 with Fly By Night and Caress Of Steel. Bands like the Beatles, Stones and Zeppelin have also released two albums in the same year.

 

In fact, FBN, CoS, and 2112 were all recorded and released within a total time span of sixteen months, at most.

[driventotheedge]

One of the best things I ever heard said about Sabbath was from Rob Zombie in an interview he gave about Sabbath. He said (paraphrasing a bit here): "We (everyone in the Metal genre) are all really just doing Sabbath. Some of us speed it up, some of us slow it down but it's all really just Sabbath. We're lucky they don't sue us all for plagiarism."

[Entre_Perpetuo]

One of the best things I ever heard said about Sabbath was from Rob Zombie in an interview he gave about Sabbath. He said (paraphrasing a bit here): "We (everyone in the Metal genre) are all really just doing Sabbath. Some of us speed it up, some of us slow it down but it's all really just Sabbath. We're lucky they don't sue us all for plagiarism."

 

I agree with this sentiment a lot, but not 100% literally.

[RUSHHEAD666]

I love every Sabbath record but give me "HEAVEN AND HELL" and "THE MOB RULES!"

 

Signed,

 

"LIVE EVIL"

[Entre_Perpetuo]

I love every Sabbath record but give me "HEAVEN AND HELL" and "THE MOB RULES!"

 

Signed,

 

"LIVE EVIL"

 

Those two are excellent Earl, but I just can't rank them over a few of the Ozzy albums.

[RUSHHEAD666]

I love every Sabbath record but give me "HEAVEN AND HELL" and "THE MOB RULES!"

 

Signed,

 

"LIVE EVIL"

 

Those two are excellent Earl, but I just can't rank them over a few of the Ozzy albums.

 

Thanks buddy! I know! I love all of the Sabbath stuff. Even with Ian, Glenn, and Tony Martin, but for me it's the DIO Years!

 

Ironically I love "Never Say Die" and "Technical Ecstasy!" "DIRTY WOMEN!"