Segue Myles Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation. MCR really aren't emo though. The label was used to categorise a lot of bands in the 2000s that were completely disconnected from what came before. It was used lazily. And that's something old school emo fans like me agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation. The bands not liking the grunge label makes sense since there is no defined sound for it. Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Nirvana sound nothing like each other. Grunge isn't musical sound like heavy metal, rock, jazz, country and so on. It's just a label slapped on a bunch of bands because they came from the same place at the same time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation. The bands not liking the grunge label makes sense since there is no defined sound for it. Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Nirvana sound nothing like each other. Grunge isn't musical sound like heavy metal, rock, jazz, country and so on. It's just a label slapped on a bunch of bands because they came from the same place at the same time. bingo. Grunge was a simple marketing tool. that fortunately sold VERY well. Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Sabbath created this sound. They are the godfathers of metal. You can Iron Butterfly and Blue Cheer and Steppenwolf begat this and that all you want, but NOTHING was like Black Sabbath. It all starts here. It’s definitive. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushFanForever Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath. Ditto Helter Skelter by The Beatles and Communication Breakdown by Zep. invisible airwave I sent you a message. Check it when you have time please. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc4gd Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 All because of a sheet metal accident. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 No offense but what's special about that album? I could never really get into it. How is it heavy metal and not psychedelic rock? What songs should one really listen to? (Hey I was actually born near Birmingham! So Sabbath is in my blood)Decades of influence and imitation watered down the originality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation. The bands not liking the grunge label makes sense since there is no defined sound for it. Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Nirvana sound nothing like each other. Grunge isn't musical sound like heavy metal, rock, jazz, country and so on. It's just a label slapped on a bunch of bands because they came from the same place at the same time. bingo. Grunge was a simple marketing tool. that fortunately sold VERY well. MickMusic labels are more about an era and its attitude than any specific or defined sound. Grunge is what it is and we all think of the same thing when it is brought up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation. MCR really aren't emo though. The label was used to categorise a lot of bands in the 2000s that were completely disconnected from what came before. It was used lazily. And that's something old school emo fans like me agree with. If the benchmark for Emo is closer to Death Cab, Jimmy Eat World, and Weezer’s Pinkerton, sure I agree. But if it’s something closer to early Panic or FOB (not saying it should be, but it is for many people), then MCR most certainly fits the label, especially on Three Cheers. But yeah, your point is well made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyfriar Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdFN7AqU1BY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation. MCR really aren't emo though. The label was used to categorise a lot of bands in the 2000s that were completely disconnected from what came before. It was used lazily. And that's something old school emo fans like me agree with. If the benchmark for Emo is closer to Death Cab, Jimmy Eat World, and Weezer’s Pinkerton, sure I agree. But if it’s something closer to early Panic or FOB (not saying it should be, but it is for many people), then MCR most certainly fits the label, especially on Three Cheers. But yeah, your point is well made. for what it's worth. MCR certainly SOUND like the Emo style that was rising at the time. it's Emo to me. but i'm not an "old school" emo guy. Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Interesting article on early Sabbath and the making of the record. https://www.loudersound.com/features/black-sabbath-the-birth-of-metal?fbclid=IwAR0tUTbcG51sBVuYe0IauYZfs3wGGm-nloZnzVUX2sXevFdo5lTkvRc2L6o 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushFanForever Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 From Rolling Stone magazine. ‘That Evil Kind of Feeling’: The Inside Story of Black Sabbath’s Iconic Cover Art 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album) Two PHENOMENAL albums at that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Segue Myles Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation. MCR really aren't emo though. The label was used to categorise a lot of bands in the 2000s that were completely disconnected from what came before. It was used lazily. And that's something old school emo fans like me agree with. If the benchmark for Emo is closer to Death Cab, Jimmy Eat World, and Weezer’s Pinkerton, sure I agree. But if it’s something closer to early Panic or FOB (not saying it should be, but it is for many people), then MCR most certainly fits the label, especially on Three Cheers. But yeah, your point is well made. The benchmark for emo is: Rites Of SpringEmbraceChristie Front DriveTexas Is The ReasonSunny Day Real EstateBraid Bands like Jimmy and Juliana Theory were once closer to these bands and took it to the next level. Fall Out Boy are not emo, they are literally glorified pop punk. MCR, all these bands, they have nothing to do with the genre they were labelled as. It's a throwaway term used far to often. If you think you know emo, and grasp at straws mentioning bands like Jimmy or FOB, you need some serious education ������ I think the emo label itself is offputting. They couldn't come up with something better? It's a label that makes me automatically tune out. The bands also have some godawful names too. Words to label a style ogusic and band names are shallow reasons to be put off the work of musicians. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation. MCR really aren't emo though. The label was used to categorise a lot of bands in the 2000s that were completely disconnected from what came before. It was used lazily. And that's something old school emo fans like me agree with. If the benchmark for Emo is closer to Death Cab, Jimmy Eat World, and Weezer’s Pinkerton, sure I agree. But if it’s something closer to early Panic or FOB (not saying it should be, but it is for many people), then MCR most certainly fits the label, especially on Three Cheers. But yeah, your point is well made. The benchmark for emo is: Rites Of SpringEmbraceChristie Front DriveTexas Is The ReasonSunny Day Real EstateBraid Bands like Jimmy and Juliana Theory were once closer to these bands and took it to the next level. Fall Out Boy are not emo, they are literally glorified pop punk. MCR, all these bands, they have nothing to do with the genre they were labelled as. It's a throwaway term used far to often. If you think you know emo, and grasp at straws mentioning bands like Jimmy or FOB, you need some serious education ������ I think the emo label itself is offputting. They couldn't come up with something better? It's a label that makes me automatically tune out. The bands also have some godawful names too. Words to label a style ogusic and band names are shallow reasons to be put off the work of musicians. Lol Does it also help that most emo that I have heard, I don't particularly care for either? The one band that I thought was decent, MCR, you said isn't emo, so what do I know? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album) Yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc4gd Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album) Yes.The second album is more definitive as "heavy metal." forerunner. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album) Yes. Rush did the same in 1975 with Fly By Night and Caress Of Steel. Bands like the Beatles, Stones and Zeppelin have also released two albums in the same year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album) Yes.The second album is more definitive as "heavy metal." forerunner. I would say so. Their third album, Master Of Reality, is where the band perfected the heavy sound they started on the debut. It was a great, steady progression of the sound over their first six albums that really solidified them as the fathers of heavy metal. It wasn't just the debut and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album) Yes.The second album is more definitive as "heavy metal." forerunner. I would say so. Their third album, Master Of Reality, is where the band perfected the heavy sound they started on the debut. It was a great, steady progression of the sound over their first six albums that really solidified them as the fathers of heavy metal. It wasn't just the debut and nothing more.How dare you quote me you two fools! :o :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 So they released two albums in 1970?! https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album) Yes. Rush did the same in 1975 with Fly By Night and Caress Of Steel. Bands like the Beatles, Stones and Zeppelin have also released two albums in the same year.Loads of bands did that in the 70's, RUSH, Deep Purple, Kansas, Priest, Thin Lizzy, KISS etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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