Principled Man Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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greyfriar Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 That gatefold LP cover scared the shit out of me when I was a little kid. My cousin showed it to me and she narrated some demon and devil stories thereto and when she dropped the needle of the record player, I nearly died! I was 8 at the time. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 DUDE 50 years of heavy metal!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyfriar Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just listening to it... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc4gd Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 No offense but what's special about that album? I could never really get into it. How is it heavy metal and not psychedelic rock? What songs should one really listen to? (Hey I was actually born near Birmingham! So Sabbath is in my blood) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 No offense but what's special about that album? I could never really get into it. How is it heavy metal and not psychedelic rock? What songs should one really listen to? The album is special because it's the band's debut album. Black Sabbath's sound is unique, which is why people have been forever arguing over how to define it (heavy metal, psychedelic rock, etc.). The band gave rise to a sub-genre of rock & roll, be it Satanic rock, or Occult Rock or whatever people want to call it. The band's sound and lyrics were immensely seductive to young people in the late 60's, who always loved a reason to reject Authority - especially the Catholic Church. Just by mentioning Satan or Lucifer, the band made their songs very attractive to young people. The heavy-blues rock music blended perfectly with the eerie, even scary lyrics that talked of Satan, Armageddon, and other horrors. It was a perfect album for the counter-culture of the late 60's and early 70's. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath. Agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath. Who cares? That opinion has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath. I like to say that they both came up with the sound at about the same time. Blue Cheer's contribution to defining early metal is not to be overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 No offense but what's special about that album? I could never really get into it. How is it heavy metal and not psychedelic rock? What songs should one really listen to? (Hey I was actually born near Birmingham! So Sabbath is in my blood) Objectively? Well I suppose one could point to the technical abilities of Ward, Iommi and Butler. That's about it. Subjectively? If you like the sound those three created with Osbourne (in the running for my favorite band) then it was a fantastic collection of songs. It's not their best album, that will be celebrating its 50th a little later this year, but not too many bands released better debuts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushFanForever Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) What doesn't mentioned a lot is that Black Sabbath has a jazz influence, which is noted in this recent Rolling Stone article here. In 2005, All About Jazz interviewed drummer Bill Ward in a two part interview about the jazz influence here and here. Edited February 14, 2020 by RushFanForever 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) What doesn't mentioned a lot is that Black Sabbath has a jazz influence, which is noted in this recent Rolling Stone article here. In 2005, All About Jazz interviewed drummer Bill Ward in a two part interview about the jazz influence here and here. Exactly. Ward added groove and nuance to the material. An EXCELLENT drummer. He added so much to the spookiness.You simply cannot engineer that sound that those 4 guys created organically. Incredible band. Edited February 14, 2020 by chemistry1973 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible airwave Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath. Ditto Helter Skelter by The Beatles and Communication Breakdown by Zep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible airwave Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 No offense but what's special about that album? I could never really get into it. How is it heavy metal and not psychedelic rock? What songs should one really listen to? (Hey I was actually born near Birmingham! So Sabbath is in my blood) I consider the real Sabbath metal to start at my favorite album, MOR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath. Ditto Helter Skelter by The Beatles and Communication Breakdown by Zep. You can probably call Revolution metal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I’m still of the mind that metal was going to come about based on the increasingly heavy psychedelic and hard rock, but I’ve never heard anything prior to Sabbath’s debut that really crosses the line into metal. And it’s not just a matter of distortion or heavy riffs, but also a use of more taboo/dark themes in the composition of the music and the writing of t lyrics. And I agree with what was said about Sabbath’s jazz influence, and I think that actually helps to give the music that darker, scarier edge which helps it cross over into metal. Helter Skelter’s certainly heavy, but it’s also bright and peppy at the chorus, which give’s me more of a proto-metal feeling than definitively metal. I totally get people who disagree though, but I just wanted to share my perspective for why Sabbath really took what came before and combined it in a way that hadn’t yet been done, resulting in the first metal album. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath.Blue Cheer is Dad Rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh. it was an older interview like maybe 1990's. i can't find it now. anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal. he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way. but it made me chuckle. Mick Lemmy also said Motorhead was a rock band too. Obviously both he and Ozzy heard things differently than the rest of us. i just find it funny that fans passionatly al say Sabbath.... first metal band. ozzy.......I HATE THAT LABEL!!!!!! lol. Mick MCR hates the emo label, none of the grunge bands liked the grunge label, I bet the Ramones didn’t consider themselves a punk band either. Amazing how artists don’t always realize what they’ve created, or just don’t like its reputation. I also don't think they want to be pigeonholed into a genre either. They want to expand outside those general descriptions. I remember reading an add for ASOH mentioning Rush were "metal pioneers". Not the best description for that video collection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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