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About Thor......one more thing.

 

i enjoyed Ragnarok. Yea it was slap stick-y but hell i enjoyed.

 

this i didn't cause instead of pulling back they should have. they further embraced the shtick. it was bad......REAL bad.

 

I'm seeing this tomorrow again. my score may raise but Based just on what i just said. i can't see my score raising too much if at all.

 

B- ain't bad but i thought Infinity war was a MUCH better film.

 

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About Thor......one more thing.

 

i enjoyed Ragnarok. Yea it was slap stick-y but hell i enjoyed.

 

this i didn't cause instead of pulling back they should have. they further embraced the shtick. it was bad......REAL bad.

 

I'm seeing this tomorrow again. my score may raise but Based just on what i just said. i can't see my score raising too much if at all.

 

B- ain't bad but i thought Infinity war was a MUCH better film.

 

Mick

 

Yeah, I think I'm going to try Endgame again and see how it sinks in.

 

I wasn't a fan of Thor Ragnarok. Haircut, guns, and comedy? Not sure who that was but it wasn't Thor. They did do Hulk right in Ragnarok though. That was the closest to the classic, comic book Hulk we've seen imho. Back to Thor in Endgame, that comedy seemed even more forced than him in Ragnarok!

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Infinity war was a MUCH better film.

 

It flowed much better, its humor was smarter, and except for Banner and Vision, all the characters were in full form.

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About Thor......one more thing.

 

i enjoyed Ragnarok. Yea it was slap stick-y but hell i enjoyed.

 

this i didn't cause instead of pulling back they should have. they further embraced the shtick. it was bad......REAL bad.

 

I'm seeing this tomorrow again. my score may raise but Based just on what i just said. i can't see my score raising too much if at all.

 

B- ain't bad but i thought Infinity war was a MUCH better film.

 

Mick

Agreed, Infinity War had the "wow" factor for me. This film while good, didn't reach the same level...
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The true Hulk is a rage monster who should have been given the chance to kick some Thanos butt. “Professor Hulk” is just a big strong smart guy who happens to be green. :boo hiss:

 

That's the script's fault. Prof Hulk can kick ass but he wasn't written that way here. There's a good comic story where Prof Hulk takes on a future, corrupt version of himself (Maestro) in a dystopian future. Maestro is stronger and, more or less, better than Prof Hulk and at one point when he seems beaten, Prof Hulk says something like "You've forgotten something about me, Maestro. Firstly, I'm an inventor" right before punching him right in the groin. It's not the knockout blow but it does serve as a distractor. This could've been done in Endgame IF he had taken on Thanos. So there was a way Hulk could've been used to fight more while keeping the Banner persona.

 

Bottom line: I agree with you in that with whatever version they were to use, savage or smart, they missed an opportunity with Hulk.

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The true Hulk is a rage monster who should have been given the chance to kick some Thanos butt. “Professor Hulk” is just a big strong smart guy who happens to be green. :boo hiss:

 

That's the script's fault. Prof Hulk can kick ass but he wasn't written that way here. There's a good comic story where Prof Hulk takes on a future, corrupt version of himself (Maestro) in a dystopian future. Maestro is stronger and, more or less, better than Prof Hulk and at one point when he seems beaten, Prof Hulk says something like "You've forgotten something about me, Maestro. Firstly, I'm an inventor" right before punching him right in the groin. It's not the knockout blow but it does serve as a distractor. This could've been done in Endgame IF he had taken on Thanos. So there was a way Hulk could've been used to fight more while keeping the Banner persona.

 

Bottom line: I agree with you in that with whatever version they were to use, savage or smart, they missed an opportunity with Hulk.

 

I believe that since Infinity War was so intense and sad at the end, the Russos felt it necessary to make Endgame more of a “crowd pleaser”. More humor was inserted/forced into this film, tear jerking reunions between Thor and his mother, Stark and his dad, Rogers seeing Peggy. All the film references....

 

Even during the epic final battle, the Girl Power scene was obviously directed towards all the young females in the audiences. Every major superhero (except for Hulk) got to take a turn whooping on Thanos. Curtain calls for everyone who were brought back from the Decimation.

 

The film’s main goal was to provide a huge emotional catharsis for all the long-time fans. That’s a righteous goal, but they really didn’t have to go such lengths.

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So i've seen the film twice now.

 

 

i'm gonna to outline some things i loved and then things that keep this film down.

 

i LOVE.

 

1. Tony Stark's whole arc here. just perfect and a puts a nice little bow on the Character.

 

2. Ditto Cap

 

3. loved Nebula. who'd have thought? she was one of my fav things in the film. well donne and REALLY sympathetic.

 

4. Hawkeye. much the same reasons for Nebula.

 

5. The climax probably the best end battle yet. Like a violent game of hot potato with the gauntlet.

 

 

Things that drag this down and they are kinda big.

 

1. THOR.

 

Just........what da fukk.

 

I make no secret to liking Ragnarok. but this may have solidified him as a sitcom-y fat shlub. and i don't know if you can rescue him after this. if the 2 showings i was at are ANY indication. Nobody wants to see him fat and drinking beer and burping and cracking awful jokes.

 

2. Bruce/Hulk.

 

 

it was cool seeing him half and half at first. but with no hulk smash ,moment it was all useless. and it seemed like they were building to it but nope. How cool would it have been to see him go apeshit all over Thanos's arrogant ass. sigh......Ball dropped.

 

3. The first half was unbearably long.

 

again......i get what they were going for but...........it dragged on and on and on. lol. at the 2nd showing i heard someone whisper.....god just DO something already!!! lol.

 

it really does make it much too long.

 

4. Black widow.

 

just Fukk you.

 

 

So all in all still a B-. good enough. but a bit of a let down after Infinity War

 

 

Mick

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So i've seen the film twice now.

 

 

i'm gonna to outline some things i loved and then things that keep this film down.

 

i LOVE.

 

1. Tony Stark's whole arc here. just perfect and a puts a nice little bow on the Character.

 

2. Ditto Cap

 

3. loved Nebula. who'd have thought? she was one of my fav things in the film. well donne and REALLY sympathetic.

 

4. Hawkeye. much the same reasons for Nebula.

 

5. The climax probably the best end battle yet. Like a violent game of hot potato with the gauntlet.

 

 

Things that drag this down and they are kinda big.

 

1. THOR.

 

Just........what da fukk.

 

I make no secret to liking Ragnarok. but this may have solidified him as a sitcom-y fat shlub. and i don't know if you can rescue him after this. if the 2 showings i was at are ANY indication. Nobody wants to see him fat and drinking beer and burping and cracking awful jokes.

 

2. Bruce/Hulk.

 

 

it was cool seeing him half and half at first. but with no hulk smash ,moment it was all useless. and it seemed like they were building to it but nope. How cool would it have been to see him go apeshit all over Thanos's arrogant ass. sigh......Ball dropped.

 

3. The first half was unbearably long.

 

again......i get what they were going for but...........it dragged on and on and on. lol. at the 2nd showing i heard someone whisper.....god just DO something already!!! lol.

 

it really does make it much too long.

 

4. Black widow.

 

just Fukk you.

 

 

So all in all still a B-. good enough. but a bit of a let down after Infinity War

 

 

Mick

 

I agree with the biggest parts of your post (Iron Man, Cap, Nebula, Thor, and Hulk).

 

I was surprised and glad they did Nebula right in this. And I’m actually glad they didn’t get her to put on the gauntlet like they did in the comics. Truth be told, I wasn’t really a fan of the comic Infinity Gauntlet storyline.

 

Back to the movie...

 

I haven’t seen it a second time yet but I likely will.

 

In regards to Professor Hulk, that’s two times in a row now that they dropped the ball with the Hulk. They really needed him to face Thanos again and get a lick or two in. Hell, Danvers got some shots in and she had absolutely no history with Thanos prior to that. Such a waste on Marvel’s premiere strong man.

 

Black Widow...I like Johansson well enough for Widow so she’s not an issue. With Widow I’m not sure what else they could’ve done with her so for me what they did with her was just ok. What would you like to have happened with her?

 

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I wonder what the next Avengers roster will look like.

 

And then there’s Cap. Despite being an old man NOW, there’s still so much they can do with him in the alternate timeline he had with Peggy Carter. You might be thinking, “What?! How?!”

Answer: The Invaders. The Invaders are a WW2 team consisting of Cap, Bucky, the original Human Torch android, Namor, and a couple of other supporting cast heroes. One of the Invaders (Montgomery Falsworth/Union Jack) was actually in Cap: First Avenger but he was out of costume and simply a member of The Howling Commandos. Chris Evans isn’t actually stopping himself from being involved in MCU movies so I’d guess he’d come back at some point(s). Sebastian Stan is continuing with his Disney streaming service show team up with Falcon so I bet he’d be on board for something like The Invaders. Namor has been hinted at twice in the MCU already: in Age of Ultron (or was it Iron Man 3?) and Endgame so I think it’s a matter of time (best timing) before he shows up. I guess he’d appear in Black Panther too but that’s another story. But what better way to show how tough Namor is by brawling a bit with Cap or Panther before joining forces? But yeah, this alternative timeline with The Invaders would totally work storywise since our MCU timeline has no history/knowledge of that team. As for an Invaders villain, naturally, the Red Skull. Pre-Infinity Stone Red Skull that is.

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With Widow I’m not sure what else they could’ve done with her so for me what they did with her was just ok.

 

The Black Widow character was all finished, in my opinion. She is who she is - a former Soviet spy/assassin who is now a loyal member of the Avengers. She no longer has red in her ledger.

 

Marvel's planned Black Widow film will be just more of the same - fighting scenes, athletic stunts, and Natasha being sexy all during it. :eyeroll:

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With Widow I’m not sure what else they could’ve done with her so for me what they did with her was just ok.

 

The Black Widow character was all finished, in my opinion. She is who she is - a former Soviet spy/assassin who is now a loyal member of the Avengers. She no longer has red in her ledger.

 

Marvel's planned Black Widow film will be just more of the same - fighting scenes, athletic stunts, and Natasha being sexy all during it. :eyeroll:

 

Johansson could be sexy wearing an oversized garbage bag.

 

I’m ambivalent about a Widow movie. But I assume they’ll make that a spy type movie since the MCU hasn’t tackled that genre yet. Besides, she is a spy after all. One problem is that she doesn’t have any memorable villains to fight. I guess they could bring in Hawkeye and since it’s a prequel, a still-mind-controlled Bucky/Winter Soldier in a cameo or at least a mention. Also, maybe we’d be able to see what actually happened in Budapest. And, it just came to me that maybe the Hawkeye/Widow ongoing reference to Budapest isn’t actually THE Budapest but rather, a small hicktown named Budapest in nowheresville, USA where death and destruction occurred.

 

I’m thinking out loud and digressing.

 

Anyway...

 

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With Widow I’m not sure what else they could’ve done with her so for me what they did with her was just ok.

 

The Black Widow character was all finished, in my opinion. She is who she is - a former Soviet spy/assassin who is now a loyal member of the Avengers. She no longer has red in her ledger.

 

Marvel's planned Black Widow film will be just more of the same - fighting scenes, athletic stunts, and Natasha being sexy all during it. :eyeroll:

 

Johansson could be sexy wearing an oversized garbage bag.

 

I’m ambivalent about a Widow movie. But I assume they’ll make that a spy type movie since the MCU hasn’t tackled that genre yet. Besides, she is a spy after all. One problem is that she doesn’t have any memorable villains to fight. I guess they could bring in Hawkeye and since it’s a prequel, a still-mind-controlled Bucky/Winter Soldier in a cameo or at least a mention. Also, maybe we’d be able to see what actually happened in Budapest. And, it just came to me that maybe the Hawkeye/Widow ongoing reference to Budapest isn’t actually THE Budapest but rather, a small hicktown named Budapest in nowheresville, USA where death and destruction occurred.

 

I’m thinking out loud and digressing.

 

Anyway...

 

:blaze:

 

A Hawkeye/Black Widow story would be interesting, as long as it’s Renner/Johansson doing it. They have good chemistry.

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I honestly loved Endgame but I must admit I really do enjoy reading the comments here about what some of you would have preferred. I actually find myself wanting to explore the comics for myself now
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In just seven days (April 25th - May 1st), Avengers: Endgame has become the 6th highest-grossing film of all time.

 

1 Avatar -- $2,787,965,087

2 Titanic -- $2,187,463,944

3 Star Wars: The Force Awakens -- $2,068,223,624

4 Avengers: Infinity War -- $2,048,359,754

5 Jurassic World -- $1,671,713,208

6 Avengers: Endgame -- $1,638,899,795

7 The Avengers -- $1,518,812,988

8 Furious 7 -- $1,516,045,911

9 Avengers: Age of Ultron -- $1,405,403,694

10 Black Panther -- $1,346,913,161

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With Widow I’m not sure what else they could’ve done with her so for me what they did with her was just ok.

 

 

Marvel's planned Black Widow film will be just more of the same - fighting scenes, athletic stunts, and Natasha being sexy all during it. :eyeroll:

Well duh... ;)
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I honestly loved Endgame but I must admit I really do enjoy reading the comments here about what some of you would have preferred. I actually find myself wanting to explore the comics for myself now

 

One of the MCU’s consistent big misses has been Hawkeye. In the comics he’s a sarcastic, sometime self-conscious (due to being a mere bowman in the presence of gods and super androids) hothead. He’s also one of the most highly skilled members of the team, someone Cap trusts in terms of ability. In time the self-conscious Hawkeye realizes that every Avenger has their moment and that only he’s suited for certain jobs. We’ve seen none of that personality/characterization from MCU Hawkeye though and that’s a shame. Classic comic book Hawkeye is way more interesting than ultraviolent Ronin Hawkeye ever was.

 

With Thor, the more MCU movies we get, the more they seem to f**k him up. That’s really awful as he’s one of the big 3 Avengers who MUST be done right imho. Thor 1 got him how I’d like him BUT he was human for far too long in that. That whole sequence with him, Loki, Lady Sif, and The Warriors Three on that frost giant realm Jotunheim was perfectly executed in terms of characterizations. I would’ve wanted more of that in the Thor movies.

 

I’ve said my issues with MCU Vision already in this thread.

 

Iron Man and Cap they really have done well in these movies. And I didn’t even like Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 was just ok. Cap 1-3 are high quality and they got better and better. Sure, there are MCU Iron Man and Cap pieces that don’t exactly match up with their comic counterparts but imho those differences are small and easily forgivable. The Endgame endings for both of them are perfect the more I think about it.

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I honestly loved Endgame but I must admit I really do enjoy reading the comments here about what some of you would have preferred. I actually find myself wanting to explore the comics for myself now

 

One of the MCU’s consistent big misses has been Hawkeye. In the comics he’s a sarcastic, sometime self-conscious (due to being a mere bowman in the presence of gods and super androids) hothead. He’s also one of the most highly skilled members of the team, someone Cap trusts in terms of ability. In time the self-conscious Hawkeye realizes that every Avenger has their moment and that only he’s suited for certain jobs. We’ve seen none of that personality/characterization from MCU Hawkeye though and that’s a shame. Classic comic book Hawkeye is way more interesting than ultraviolent Ronin Hawkeye ever was.

 

With Thor, the more MCU movies we get, the more they seem to f**k him up. That’s really awful as he’s one of the big 3 Avengers who MUST be done right imho. Thor 1 got him how I’d like him BUT he was human for far too long in that. That whole sequence with him, Loki, Lady Sif, and The Warriors Three on that frost giant realm Jotunheim was perfectly executed in terms of characterizations. I would’ve wanted more of that in the Thor movies.

 

I’ve said my issues with MCU Vision already in this thread.

 

Iron Man and Cap they really have done well in these movies. And I didn’t even like Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 was just ok. Cap 1-3 are high quality and they got better and better. Sure, there are MCU Iron Man and Cap pieces that don’t exactly match up with their comic counterparts but imho those differences are small and easily forgivable. The Endgame endings for both of them are perfect the more I think about it.

 

Yea....i've always said the same. All Cap movies are great (With Civil war being my fav MCU film ever.)

 

Iron man........not so much.

 

i enjoyed 1 but couldn't take 2 and 3.

 

but.....I love iron man's appearances in other films way more.

 

Interesting dynamic there.

 

Mick

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Yea....i've always said the same. All Cap movies are great (With Civil war being my fav MCU film ever.)

 

Iron man........not so much.

 

i enjoyed 1 but couldn't take 2 and 3.

 

Iron Man was pure brilliance

Iron Man 2 was good, but burdened with Justin Hammer's constant irritating babbling and blatant showcasing of Scarlett Johansson's sex-appeal.

Iron Man 3 was bad. The kid was majorly annoying, Stark wouldn't shut up, the fake Mandarin was lame, and the ending was a mess.

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In just seven days (April 25th - May 1st), Avengers: Endgame has become the 6th highest-grossing film of all time.

 

1 Avatar -- $2,787,965,087

2 Titanic -- $2,187,463,944

3 Star Wars: The Force Awakens -- $2,068,223,624

4 Avengers: Infinity War -- $2,048,359,754

5 Jurassic World -- $1,671,713,208

6 Avengers: Endgame -- $1,638,899,795

 

5th after 8 days. :o

 

1 Avatar - $2,787,965,087 2009

2 Titanic - $2,187,463,944 1997

3 Star Wars: The Force Awakens - $2,068,223,624 2015

4 Avengers: Infinity War - $2,048,359,754 2018

5 Avengers: Endgame - $1,764,251,786 2019

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Yea....i've always said the same. All Cap movies are great (With Civil war being my fav MCU film ever.)

 

Iron man........not so much.

 

i enjoyed 1 but couldn't take 2 and 3.

 

Iron Man was pure brilliance

Iron Man 2 was good, but burdened with Justin Hammer's constant irritating babbling and blatant showcasing of Scarlett Johansson's sex-appeal.

Iron Man 3 was bad. The kid was majorly annoying, Stark wouldn't shut up, the fake Mandarin was lame, and the ending was a mess.

 

I’d go like this...

 

Iron Man: excellent

Iron Man 2: bad

Iron Man 3: ok / just passable...but it got worse after second and third viewings

 

Did you catch that Iron Man 3 kid in Endgame at Stark’s lakeside funeral?

 

Cap: good

Cap 2: excellent

Cap 3: superb

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I honestly loved Endgame but I must admit I really do enjoy reading the comments here about what some of you would have preferred. I actually find myself wanting to explore the comics for myself now

 

One of the MCU’s consistent big misses has been Hawkeye. In the comics he’s a sarcastic, sometime self-conscious (due to being a mere bowman in the presence of gods and super androids) hothead. He’s also one of the most highly skilled members of the team, someone Cap trusts in terms of ability. In time the self-conscious Hawkeye realizes that every Avenger has their moment and that only he’s suited for certain jobs. We’ve seen none of that personality/characterization from MCU Hawkeye though and that’s a shame. Classic comic book Hawkeye is way more interesting than ultraviolent Ronin Hawkeye ever was.

 

With Thor, the more MCU movies we get, the more they seem to f**k him up. That’s really awful as he’s one of the big 3 Avengers who MUST be done right imho. Thor 1 got him how I’d like him BUT he was human for far too long in that. That whole sequence with him, Loki, Lady Sif, and The Warriors Three on that frost giant realm Jotunheim was perfectly executed in terms of characterizations. I would’ve wanted more of that in the Thor movies.

 

I’ve said my issues with MCU Vision already in this thread.

 

Iron Man and Cap they really have done well in these movies. And I didn’t even like Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 was just ok. Cap 1-3 are high quality and they got better and better. Sure, there are MCU Iron Man and Cap pieces that don’t exactly match up with their comic counterparts but imho those differences are small and easily forgivable. The Endgame endings for both of them are perfect the more I think about it.

 

Yea....i've always said the same. All Cap movies are great (With Civil war being my fav MCU film ever.)

 

Iron man........not so much.

 

i enjoyed 1 but couldn't take 2 and 3.

 

but.....I love iron man's appearances in other films way more.

 

Interesting dynamic there.

 

Mick

 

I hear you when it comes to Iron Man in non-Iron Man flicks. He’s a fun character that mixes well with others. And you can see they’re trying to make Thor that guy now. But I don’t think it’s working with him as it’s looking too forced with all the Thor “comedy”.

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So i've seen the film twice now.

 

4. Black widow.

 

just Fukk you.

 

 

So all in all still a B-. good enough. but a bit of a let down after Infinity War

 

 

Mick

 

I saw Endgame for the second time last night. And although it didn’t get worse, it didn’t get better either. And I thought more of Black Widow. Earlier in this thread I said i thought she was done okay as I didn’t know what else they could’ve done with her. I still mostly think that but feel they could’ve used her to guide the next team of Avengers in Phase 4. After all, she was the one trying to hold the team together in Endgame immediately following the snap. I know her prequel is coming next year so it’s not the end of Johansson. Still, they seem to want to showcase “girl power” as shown in Captain Marvel and that one battle scene in Endgame. Having her lead the Phase 4 Avengers team could’ve made sense as she’s been there from the start anyway.

 

This wouldn’t be my A-Team of Avengers but it could’ve looked like this going forward:

 

1. Widow: as leader

2. Sam Wilson Captain America

3. Ant-Man

4. Wasp

5. Spidey

 

A smaller, noticeably less muscle bound / cosmic team could’ve been a new dynamic for them to play with. Of course it won’t happen because MCU Disney is going to want to do more space stories and Danvers stories and...sell as many toys as possible.

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I honestly loved Endgame but I must admit I really do enjoy reading the comments here about what some of you would have preferred. I actually find myself wanting to explore the comics for myself now

 

One of the MCU’s consistent big misses has been Hawkeye. In the comics he’s a sarcastic, sometime self-conscious (due to being a mere bowman in the presence of gods and super androids) hothead. He’s also one of the most highly skilled members of the team, someone Cap trusts in terms of ability. In time the self-conscious Hawkeye realizes that every Avenger has their moment and that only he’s suited for certain jobs. We’ve seen none of that personality/characterization from MCU Hawkeye though and that’s a shame. Classic comic book Hawkeye is way more interesting than ultraviolent Ronin Hawkeye ever was.

 

With Thor, the more MCU movies we get, the more they seem to f**k him up. That’s really awful as he’s one of the big 3 Avengers who MUST be done right imho. Thor 1 got him how I’d like him BUT he was human for far too long in that. That whole sequence with him, Loki, Lady Sif, and The Warriors Three on that frost giant realm Jotunheim was perfectly executed in terms of characterizations. I would’ve wanted more of that in the Thor movies.

 

I’ve said my issues with MCU Vision already in this thread.

 

Iron Man and Cap they really have done well in these movies. And I didn’t even like Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 was just ok. Cap 1-3 are high quality and they got better and better. Sure, there are MCU Iron Man and Cap pieces that don’t exactly match up with their comic counterparts but imho those differences are small and easily forgivable. The Endgame endings for both of them are perfect the more I think about it.

 

Yea....i've always said the same. All Cap movies are great (With Civil war being my fav MCU film ever.)

 

Iron man........not so much.

 

i enjoyed 1 but couldn't take 2 and 3.

 

but.....I love iron man's appearances in other films way more.

 

Interesting dynamic there.

 

Mick

 

I hear you when it comes to Iron Man in non-Iron Man flicks. He’s a fun character that mixes well with others. And you can see they’re trying to make Thor that guy now. But I don’t think it’s working with him as it’s looking too forced with all the Thor “comedy”.

 

 

yea i think they've killed Thor. Him being possibly with the guardians now won't lessen the comedy unfortunately.

 

So they'd have to be pretty serious about bringing him back around.

 

Mick

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I honestly loved Endgame but I must admit I really do enjoy reading the comments here about what some of you would have preferred. I actually find myself wanting to explore the comics for myself now

 

One of the MCU’s consistent big misses has been Hawkeye. In the comics he’s a sarcastic, sometime self-conscious (due to being a mere bowman in the presence of gods and super androids) hothead. He’s also one of the most highly skilled members of the team, someone Cap trusts in terms of ability. In time the self-conscious Hawkeye realizes that every Avenger has their moment and that only he’s suited for certain jobs. We’ve seen none of that personality/characterization from MCU Hawkeye though and that’s a shame. Classic comic book Hawkeye is way more interesting than ultraviolent Ronin Hawkeye ever was.

 

With Thor, the more MCU movies we get, the more they seem to f**k him up. That’s really awful as he’s one of the big 3 Avengers who MUST be done right imho. Thor 1 got him how I’d like him BUT he was human for far too long in that. That whole sequence with him, Loki, Lady Sif, and The Warriors Three on that frost giant realm Jotunheim was perfectly executed in terms of characterizations. I would’ve wanted more of that in the Thor movies.

 

I’ve said my issues with MCU Vision already in this thread.

 

Iron Man and Cap they really have done well in these movies. And I didn’t even like Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 was just ok. Cap 1-3 are high quality and they got better and better. Sure, there are MCU Iron Man and Cap pieces that don’t exactly match up with their comic counterparts but imho those differences are small and easily forgivable. The Endgame endings for both of them are perfect the more I think about it.

 

Yea....i've always said the same. All Cap movies are great (With Civil war being my fav MCU film ever.)

 

Iron man........not so much.

 

i enjoyed 1 but couldn't take 2 and 3.

 

but.....I love iron man's appearances in other films way more.

 

Interesting dynamic there.

 

Mick

 

I hear you when it comes to Iron Man in non-Iron Man flicks. He’s a fun character that mixes well with others. And you can see they’re trying to make Thor that guy now. But I don’t think it’s working with him as it’s looking too forced with all the Thor “comedy”.

 

 

yea i think they've killed Thor. Him being possibly with the guardians now won't lessen the comedy unfortunately.

 

So they'd have to be pretty serious about bringing him back around.

 

Mick

 

Director of Thor Rag won’t do that. Since he knows nothing of the comic character, he has no reason to make him what he should actually be. He was praised for Thor Rag so he’ll do the same thing again - comedy Thor. And Hemsworth prefers the comedy too.

 

I’d guess Guardians of the Galaxy 3 will have powerhouse Adam Warlock (he was in the cocoon in GotG2). And Thor could be used to show how tough Adam Warlock is.

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With Widow I’m not sure what else they could’ve done with her so for me what they did with her was just ok.

 

The Black Widow character was all finished, in my opinion. She is who she is - a former Soviet spy/assassin who is now a loyal member of the Avengers. She no longer has red in her ledger.

 

Marvel's planned Black Widow film will be just more of the same - fighting scenes, athletic stunts, and Natasha being sexy all during it. :eyeroll:

 

Johansson could be sexy wearing an oversized garbage bag.

 

I’m ambivalent about a Widow movie. But I assume they’ll make that a spy type movie since the MCU hasn’t tackled that genre yet. Besides, she is a spy after all. One problem is that she doesn’t have any memorable villains to fight. I guess they could bring in Hawkeye and since it’s a prequel, a still-mind-controlled Bucky/Winter Soldier in a cameo or at least a mention. Also, maybe we’d be able to see what actually happened in Budapest. And, it just came to me that maybe the Hawkeye/Widow ongoing reference to Budapest isn’t actually THE Budapest but rather, a small hicktown named Budapest in nowheresville, USA where death and destruction occurred.

 

I’m thinking out loud and digressing.

 

Anyway...

 

:blaze:

 

A Hawkeye/Black Widow story would be interesting, as long as it’s Renner/Johansson doing it. They have good chemistry.

 

Supposedly, there’s a Hawkeye show coming out through Disney’s streaming service. First is the Falcon/Winter Soldier one, then I think it’s Vision/Scarlet Witch show, Loki’s, and finally the Hawkeye one which is a very new development.

 

The one scene in Endgame (or any other MCU movie for that matter) where Hawkeye seemed like Hawkeye imho was when he was frustrated and screaming at Thor. This was right after they all returned and Widow sacrificed herself.

 

Having Hawkeye and even Winter Soldier in the Widow prequel would make sense but I’m not so sure Disney MCU would do that. They might just have completely new characters for the audience since Widow is an already established character herself. Plus, they seem to be wanting to go with unused Marvel characters for these upcoming movies [see also: The Eternals]. And since Hawkeye will have his own show, his chances to be in the Widow movie might be slightly smaller.

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