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as painful as this is to admit, Chris Cornell was inconsistent over the past 10 years. Drinking and rough singing started to get to his voice. But he could melt paint off the walls back in the day.

 

Anthony Keidis is inconsistent, which actually might be a compliment for him.

 

Layne Staley was consistent up until the drugs really took over post AIC.

 

A little combo of Chris and Layne here:

 

 

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Believe it or not , Billy Ocean is very consistent...saw him a couple of years ago and he still nailed every high note.

 

Doug Pinnick sad to say is now inconsistent...whilst he still has a nice voice, his top range is just gone...in his day I would have ranked him amongst the very best, but since approx 2000 he has declined.

 

Sting has been pretty consistent

 

Bruce Dickinson has been consistent.

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Pre "retirement" Phil collins was way consistent.

 

I dunno how he is now in his second run.

 

but every concert i heard pre retirement he was always on.

 

Mick

 

I've seen a couple videos of Phil that were from the last year or two and he has issues. During his heyday, he was fantastic live.

 

Vocal issues aside, I'd still be completely shocked if Genesis doesn't do another album in the next couple of years.

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Pre "retirement" Phil collins was way consistent.

 

I dunno how he is now in his second run.

 

but every concert i heard pre retirement he was always on.

 

Mick

 

I've seen a couple videos of Phil that were from the last year or two and he has issues. During his heyday, he was fantastic live.

 

Vocal issues aside, I'd still be completely shocked if Genesis doesn't do another album in the next couple of years.

 

Mike is doing stuff with the mechanics, Gabriel is as anti-reunion as ever (though he's been pretty quiet musically, but that's normal I guess), Phil can't drum anymore and is promoting his solo back-catalogue, I have no clue what Tony's doing, and Hackett is probably the only one who would seriously push for a reunion, and ironically has the least say in whether or not one would happen.

 

EDIT: You know, I could see Tony talking Mike into it, especially once he's done with the new mechanics stuff, but then it would be up to Phil, and I still think that's kind of unpredictable. Regardless, if that's how it came about, I have little faith that they could get Gabriel back in the picture, and even less that they would ask Hackett back if Gabriel wasn't onboard already.

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Pre "retirement" Phil collins was way consistent.

 

I dunno how he is now in his second run.

 

but every concert i heard pre retirement he was always on.

 

Mick

 

I've seen a couple videos of Phil that were from the last year or two and he has issues. During his heyday, he was fantastic live.

 

Vocal issues aside, I'd still be completely shocked if Genesis doesn't do another album in the next couple of years.

 

Mike is doing stuff with the mechanics, Gabriel is as anti-reunion as ever (though he's been pretty quiet musically, but that's normal I guess), Phil can't drum anymore and is promoting his solo back-catalogue, I have no clue what Tony's doing, and Hackett is probably the only one who would seriously push for a reunion, and ironically has the least say in whether or not one would happen.

 

EDIT: You know, I could see Tony talking Mike into it, especially once he's done with the new mechanics stuff, but then it would be up to Phil, and I still think that's kind of unpredictable. Regardless, if that's how it came about, I have little faith that they could get Gabriel back in the picture, and even less that they would ask Hackett back if Gabriel wasn't onboard already.

 

I think in the State phil's in Psychically. you couldn't drag him into another full Genesis tour. maybe.....Maybe an album. and even that's iffy.

 

forget Peter. you will Never see a Gabriel era re-grouping. not that i'm that into it to begin with......actually i don't and have never wanted it, lol

 

Mick

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Pre "retirement" Phil collins was way consistent.

 

I dunno how he is now in his second run.

 

but every concert i heard pre retirement he was always on.

 

Mick

 

I've seen a couple videos of Phil that were from the last year or two and he has issues. During his heyday, he was fantastic live.

 

Vocal issues aside, I'd still be completely shocked if Genesis doesn't do another album in the next couple of years.

 

Mike is doing stuff with the mechanics, Gabriel is as anti-reunion as ever (though he's been pretty quiet musically, but that's normal I guess), Phil can't drum anymore and is promoting his solo back-catalogue, I have no clue what Tony's doing, and Hackett is probably the only one who would seriously push for a reunion, and ironically has the least say in whether or not one would happen.

 

EDIT: You know, I could see Tony talking Mike into it, especially once he's done with the new mechanics stuff, but then it would be up to Phil, and I still think that's kind of unpredictable. Regardless, if that's how it came about, I have little faith that they could get Gabriel back in the picture, and even less that they would ask Hackett back if Gabriel wasn't onboard already.

 

I think in the State phil's in Psychically. you couldn't drag him into another full Genesis tour. maybe.....Maybe an album. and even that's iffy.

 

forget Peter. you will Never see a Gabriel era re-grouping. not that i'm that into it to begin with......actually i don't and have never wanted it, lol

 

Mick

 

I don't care much if there's a Gabriel era reunion. Peter has done so much outside of Genesis and Genesis have done so much without him and Phil could always do all of the old material anyway. What makes me sad is that, if there were to be a reunion, Steve probably wouldn't be there, and I'd love to have Steve there. Sure they could do all of his songs without him, just as he does all of the old songs without any of them in Genesis revisited, but look, he obviously still wants to be playing that music, he tours it with Genesis revisited, and if the trio that went on after him got together and was also playing that music, it just seems much more natural that Steve should be there with them to play The Musical Box and Supper's Ready than whoever they get to replace him. Now, of course that begs the question of what about the songs they did without Steve, many of which they would have to play. Would Steve just have to learn or invent guitar parts for Mama, Behind The Lines, Invisible Touch? Where would that leave Mike on some songs? Would Steve just be asked politely to leave the stage for that part of the show?

 

Thus, I don't think Steve would be asked to be part of a Genesis reunion, apart from the fact that some of the band and him don't really get along still. And that makes me sad, because I'd much rather see the Second's Out version of Supper's Ready than one without Steve or without Phil, Tony, and Mike, but that's not going to happen. I think the only way Steve will be asked back is if they somehow got Gabriel back on board, as I can't imagine many more absurd line-ups than one which includes Gabriel, Mike, Tony, and Phil, but not Steve.

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Pre "retirement" Phil collins was way consistent.

 

I dunno how he is now in his second run.

 

but every concert i heard pre retirement he was always on.

 

Mick

 

I've seen a couple videos of Phil that were from the last year or two and he has issues. During his heyday, he was fantastic live.

 

Vocal issues aside, I'd still be completely shocked if Genesis doesn't do another album in the next couple of years.

 

Mike is doing stuff with the mechanics, Gabriel is as anti-reunion as ever (though he's been pretty quiet musically, but that's normal I guess), Phil can't drum anymore and is promoting his solo back-catalogue, I have no clue what Tony's doing, and Hackett is probably the only one who would seriously push for a reunion, and ironically has the least say in whether or not one would happen.

 

EDIT: You know, I could see Tony talking Mike into it, especially once he's done with the new mechanics stuff, but then it would be up to Phil, and I still think that's kind of unpredictable. Regardless, if that's how it came about, I have little faith that they could get Gabriel back in the picture, and even less that they would ask Hackett back if Gabriel wasn't onboard already.

 

I think in the State phil's in Psychically. you couldn't drag him into another full Genesis tour. maybe.....Maybe an album. and even that's iffy.

 

forget Peter. you will Never see a Gabriel era re-grouping. not that i'm that into it to begin with......actually i don't and have never wanted it, lol

 

Mick

 

I don't care much if there's a Gabriel era reunion. Peter has done so much outside of Genesis and Genesis have done so much without him and Phil could always do all of the old material anyway. What makes me sad is that, if there were to be a reunion, Steve probably wouldn't be there, and I'd love to have Steve there. Sure they could do all of his songs without him, just as he does all of the old songs without any of them in Genesis revisited, but look, he obviously still wants to be playing that music, he tours it with Genesis revisited, and if the trio that went on after him got together and was also playing that music, it just seems much more natural that Steve should be there with them to play The Musical Box and Supper's Ready than whoever they get to replace him. Now, of course that begs the question of what about the songs they did without Steve, many of which they would have to play. Would Steve just have to learn or invent guitar parts for Mama, Behind The Lines, Invisible Touch? Where would that leave Mike on some songs? Would Steve just be asked politely to leave the stage for that part of the show?

 

Thus, I don't think Steve would be asked to be part of a Genesis reunion, apart from the fact that some of the band and him don't really get along still. And that makes me sad, because I'd much rather see the Second's Out version of Supper's Ready than one without Steve or without Phil, Tony, and Mike, but that's not going to happen. I think the only way Steve will be asked back is if they somehow got Gabriel back on board, as I can't imagine many more absurd line-ups than one which includes Gabriel, Mike, Tony, and Phil, but not Steve.

 

i think it would awkward having steve on the post steve songs. which is why i don't see him coming back. it would be a very restricted show. add to that.....i have heard phil say he was never fond of prog to begin with. if that's really true. kudos to him for playing it so long, lol

 

and tony has said good stuff about gabriel era.......BUT he's also said some harsh stuff about it too. Tony is a strange dude, lol

 

Mick

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Pre "retirement" Phil collins was way consistent.

 

I dunno how he is now in his second run.

 

but every concert i heard pre retirement he was always on.

 

Mick

 

I've seen a couple videos of Phil that were from the last year or two and he has issues. During his heyday, he was fantastic live.

 

Vocal issues aside, I'd still be completely shocked if Genesis doesn't do another album in the next couple of years.

 

Mike is doing stuff with the mechanics, Gabriel is as anti-reunion as ever (though he's been pretty quiet musically, but that's normal I guess), Phil can't drum anymore and is promoting his solo back-catalogue, I have no clue what Tony's doing, and Hackett is probably the only one who would seriously push for a reunion, and ironically has the least say in whether or not one would happen.

 

EDIT: You know, I could see Tony talking Mike into it, especially once he's done with the new mechanics stuff, but then it would be up to Phil, and I still think that's kind of unpredictable. Regardless, if that's how it came about, I have little faith that they could get Gabriel back in the picture, and even less that they would ask Hackett back if Gabriel wasn't onboard already.

 

I think in the State phil's in Psychically. you couldn't drag him into another full Genesis tour. maybe.....Maybe an album. and even that's iffy.

 

forget Peter. you will Never see a Gabriel era re-grouping. not that i'm that into it to begin with......actually i don't and have never wanted it, lol

 

Mick

 

I don't care much if there's a Gabriel era reunion. Peter has done so much outside of Genesis and Genesis have done so much without him and Phil could always do all of the old material anyway. What makes me sad is that, if there were to be a reunion, Steve probably wouldn't be there, and I'd love to have Steve there. Sure they could do all of his songs without him, just as he does all of the old songs without any of them in Genesis revisited, but look, he obviously still wants to be playing that music, he tours it with Genesis revisited, and if the trio that went on after him got together and was also playing that music, it just seems much more natural that Steve should be there with them to play The Musical Box and Supper's Ready than whoever they get to replace him. Now, of course that begs the question of what about the songs they did without Steve, many of which they would have to play. Would Steve just have to learn or invent guitar parts for Mama, Behind The Lines, Invisible Touch? Where would that leave Mike on some songs? Would Steve just be asked politely to leave the stage for that part of the show?

 

Thus, I don't think Steve would be asked to be part of a Genesis reunion, apart from the fact that some of the band and him don't really get along still. And that makes me sad, because I'd much rather see the Second's Out version of Supper's Ready than one without Steve or without Phil, Tony, and Mike, but that's not going to happen. I think the only way Steve will be asked back is if they somehow got Gabriel back on board, as I can't imagine many more absurd line-ups than one which includes Gabriel, Mike, Tony, and Phil, but not Steve.

 

i think it would awkward having steve on the post steve songs. which is why i don't see him coming back. it would be a very restricted show. add to that.....i have heard phil say he was never fond of prog to begin with. if that's really true. kudos to him for playing it so long, lol

 

and tony has said good stuff about gabriel era.......BUT he's also said some harsh stuff about it too. Tony is a strange dude, lol

 

Mick

 

Tony has probably had the single biggest influence on Genesis creatively throughout the years, and aside from Phil's drumming might've been the best musician in the band, which also makes it sad that he's such a non-frontman figure, especially outside of the band, that he has very little say in any chance at a reunion.

 

I feel like there's definitely a way that they could do a reunion with Steve, even with Gabriel, and still manage both eras and both fanbases, but it would probably step on most of the band members' egos and would still probably piss a number of fans off, which is why it won't happen.

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Pre "retirement" Phil collins was way consistent.

 

I dunno how he is now in his second run.

 

but every concert i heard pre retirement he was always on.

 

Mick

 

I've seen a couple videos of Phil that were from the last year or two and he has issues. During his heyday, he was fantastic live.

 

Vocal issues aside, I'd still be completely shocked if Genesis doesn't do another album in the next couple of years.

 

Mike is doing stuff with the mechanics, Gabriel is as anti-reunion as ever (though he's been pretty quiet musically, but that's normal I guess), Phil can't drum anymore and is promoting his solo back-catalogue, I have no clue what Tony's doing, and Hackett is probably the only one who would seriously push for a reunion, and ironically has the least say in whether or not one would happen.

 

EDIT: You know, I could see Tony talking Mike into it, especially once he's done with the new mechanics stuff, but then it would be up to Phil, and I still think that's kind of unpredictable. Regardless, if that's how it came about, I have little faith that they could get Gabriel back in the picture, and even less that they would ask Hackett back if Gabriel wasn't onboard already.

 

I think in the State phil's in Psychically. you couldn't drag him into another full Genesis tour. maybe.....Maybe an album. and even that's iffy.

 

forget Peter. you will Never see a Gabriel era re-grouping. not that i'm that into it to begin with......actually i don't and have never wanted it, lol

 

Mick

 

I don't care much if there's a Gabriel era reunion. Peter has done so much outside of Genesis and Genesis have done so much without him and Phil could always do all of the old material anyway. What makes me sad is that, if there were to be a reunion, Steve probably wouldn't be there, and I'd love to have Steve there. Sure they could do all of his songs without him, just as he does all of the old songs without any of them in Genesis revisited, but look, he obviously still wants to be playing that music, he tours it with Genesis revisited, and if the trio that went on after him got together and was also playing that music, it just seems much more natural that Steve should be there with them to play The Musical Box and Supper's Ready than whoever they get to replace him. Now, of course that begs the question of what about the songs they did without Steve, many of which they would have to play. Would Steve just have to learn or invent guitar parts for Mama, Behind The Lines, Invisible Touch? Where would that leave Mike on some songs? Would Steve just be asked politely to leave the stage for that part of the show?

 

Thus, I don't think Steve would be asked to be part of a Genesis reunion, apart from the fact that some of the band and him don't really get along still. And that makes me sad, because I'd much rather see the Second's Out version of Supper's Ready than one without Steve or without Phil, Tony, and Mike, but that's not going to happen. I think the only way Steve will be asked back is if they somehow got Gabriel back on board, as I can't imagine many more absurd line-ups than one which includes Gabriel, Mike, Tony, and Phil, but not Steve.

 

i think it would awkward having steve on the post steve songs. which is why i don't see him coming back. it would be a very restricted show. add to that.....i have heard phil say he was never fond of prog to begin with. if that's really true. kudos to him for playing it so long, lol

 

and tony has said good stuff about gabriel era.......BUT he's also said some harsh stuff about it too. Tony is a strange dude, lol

 

Mick

 

Tony has probably had the single biggest influence on Genesis creatively throughout the years, and aside from Phil's drumming might've been the best musician in the band, which also makes it sad that he's such a non-frontman figure, especially outside of the band, that he has very little say in any chance at a reunion.

 

I feel like there's definitely a way that they could do a reunion with Steve, even with Gabriel, and still manage both eras and both fanbases, but it would probably step on most of the band members' egos and would still probably piss a number of fans off, which is why it won't happen.

 

when people Blame Phil alone for the pop direction. i always pull this Phil quote out.

 

"you try getting Tony Banks to do something he doesn't want to do!"

 

i LOVE that quote.

 

Mick

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Pre "retirement" Phil collins was way consistent.

 

I dunno how he is now in his second run.

 

but every concert i heard pre retirement he was always on.

 

Mick

 

I've seen a couple videos of Phil that were from the last year or two and he has issues. During his heyday, he was fantastic live.

 

Vocal issues aside, I'd still be completely shocked if Genesis doesn't do another album in the next couple of years.

 

Mike is doing stuff with the mechanics, Gabriel is as anti-reunion as ever (though he's been pretty quiet musically, but that's normal I guess), Phil can't drum anymore and is promoting his solo back-catalogue, I have no clue what Tony's doing, and Hackett is probably the only one who would seriously push for a reunion, and ironically has the least say in whether or not one would happen.

 

EDIT: You know, I could see Tony talking Mike into it, especially once he's done with the new mechanics stuff, but then it would be up to Phil, and I still think that's kind of unpredictable. Regardless, if that's how it came about, I have little faith that they could get Gabriel back in the picture, and even less that they would ask Hackett back if Gabriel wasn't onboard already.

 

I think in the State phil's in Psychically. you couldn't drag him into another full Genesis tour. maybe.....Maybe an album. and even that's iffy.

 

forget Peter. you will Never see a Gabriel era re-grouping. not that i'm that into it to begin with......actually i don't and have never wanted it, lol

 

Mick

 

I don't care much if there's a Gabriel era reunion. Peter has done so much outside of Genesis and Genesis have done so much without him and Phil could always do all of the old material anyway. What makes me sad is that, if there were to be a reunion, Steve probably wouldn't be there, and I'd love to have Steve there. Sure they could do all of his songs without him, just as he does all of the old songs without any of them in Genesis revisited, but look, he obviously still wants to be playing that music, he tours it with Genesis revisited, and if the trio that went on after him got together and was also playing that music, it just seems much more natural that Steve should be there with them to play The Musical Box and Supper's Ready than whoever they get to replace him. Now, of course that begs the question of what about the songs they did without Steve, many of which they would have to play. Would Steve just have to learn or invent guitar parts for Mama, Behind The Lines, Invisible Touch? Where would that leave Mike on some songs? Would Steve just be asked politely to leave the stage for that part of the show?

 

Thus, I don't think Steve would be asked to be part of a Genesis reunion, apart from the fact that some of the band and him don't really get along still. And that makes me sad, because I'd much rather see the Second's Out version of Supper's Ready than one without Steve or without Phil, Tony, and Mike, but that's not going to happen. I think the only way Steve will be asked back is if they somehow got Gabriel back on board, as I can't imagine many more absurd line-ups than one which includes Gabriel, Mike, Tony, and Phil, but not Steve.

 

i think it would awkward having steve on the post steve songs. which is why i don't see him coming back. it would be a very restricted show. add to that.....i have heard phil say he was never fond of prog to begin with. if that's really true. kudos to him for playing it so long, lol

 

and tony has said good stuff about gabriel era.......BUT he's also said some harsh stuff about it too. Tony is a strange dude, lol

 

Mick

 

Tony has probably had the single biggest influence on Genesis creatively throughout the years, and aside from Phil's drumming might've been the best musician in the band, which also makes it sad that he's such a non-frontman figure, especially outside of the band, that he has very little say in any chance at a reunion.

 

I feel like there's definitely a way that they could do a reunion with Steve, even with Gabriel, and still manage both eras and both fanbases, but it would probably step on most of the band members' egos and would still probably piss a number of fans off, which is why it won't happen.

 

when people Blame Phil alone for the pop direction. i always pull this Phil quote out.

 

"you try getting Tony Banks to do something he doesn't want to do!"

 

i LOVE that quote.

 

Mick

 

Yeah, lol. I don't think he really left himself anywhere more to go with the prog stuff after Wind And Wuthering, though he tried. Abacab had probably been coming for a while in Tony's eyes.

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