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Lots of talk today around Belichik having a "fear-based" approach to his team. Thoughts?

 

Fear is ultimately not a healthy way to motivate people.

In education we refer to what we call having a "level of concern". Simply put (so a even a guy like you can understand? [hee hee] ), people perform better when they care (enough, but not too much). A healthy level of concern can be fostered in many ways, including with fear (a negative leadership style) or with praise (a positive leadership style) or combinations of the two. A neutral climate/culture tends to be ineffective.

 

The downside of using fear and discipline to motivate people is that, while it can produce results, in the long run it fosters resentment.

 

I don't think "fear" of losing your job is necessarily using "fear" as a leadership style, if that makes sense. If you're not producing you're going to lose your job. If you care, you "fear" that happening. But I think of "fear" as a leadership style more in the sense of threatening and intimidating people.

I suppose I'm viewing "fear" as a leadership style differently than you and goose. Tom Landry was feared but he wasn't a threatening person. I feared my Dad but I loved him and never carried resentment. There are many ways a leader can make his men fear him.

It's fear in a sense of an expectation personal responsibility and accountability, like Rick pointed out, I think. You can achieve this without yelling or threatening. Landry or John Wooden are great examples.
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Lots of talk today around Belichik having a "fear-based" approach to his team. Thoughts?

 

Fear is ultimately not a healthy way to motivate people.

In education we refer to what we call having a "level of concern". Simply put (so a even a guy like you can understand? [hee hee] ), people perform better when they care (enough, but not too much). A healthy level of concern can be fostered in many ways, including with fear (a negative leadership style) or with praise (a positive leadership style) or combinations of the two. A neutral climate/culture tends to be ineffective.

 

The downside of using fear and discipline to motivate people is that, while it can produce results, in the long run it fosters resentment.

 

"The beatings will continue until morale improves." ™

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I can relate this to dog training (the style of which seems to be verboten raising kids). Using negative reinforcement ...

re: "negative reinforcement", a Psychology pro tip for the interested...

 

Punishment, administering an unwanted stimulus following an unwanted behavior (e,g, beating a dog) is sometimes mislabeled as negative reinforcement. While punishment follows a behavior, negative reinforcement is a training device that introduces an unwanted stimulus that is removed once the desired behavior is demonstrated. Think of your car's seat belt warning indicator. That annoying endless chime is designed you to put on your seatbelt. Once you do, it stops. Eventually you learn to just put on your seatbelt and avoid the chime altogether.

 

So now you know why kids whine and throw fits. They're training you.

 

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I can relate this to dog training (the style of which seems to be verboten raising kids). Using negative reinforcement ...

re: "negative reinforcement", a Psychology pro tip for the interested...

 

Punishment, administering an unwanted stimulus following an unwanted behavior (e,g, beating a dog) is sometimes mislabeled as negative reinforcement. While punishment follows a behavior, negative reinforcement is a training device that introduces an unwanted stimulus that is removed once the desired behavior is demonstrated. Think of your car's seat belt warning indicator. That annoying endless chime is designed you to put on your seatbelt. Once you do, it stops. Eventually you learn to just put on your seatbelt and avoid the chime altogether.

 

So now you know why kids whine and throw fits. They're training you.

 

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I get that, but many dog trainers don't like to use the word "punishment" when they are training. That's reserved for when the animal does something wrong outside of training time, like piss on the floor. But your definition is accurate.

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I can relate this to dog training (the style of which seems to be verboten raising kids). Using negative reinforcement ...

re: "negative reinforcement", a Psychology pro tip for the interested...

 

Punishment, administering an unwanted stimulus following an unwanted behavior (e,g, beating a dog) is sometimes mislabeled as negative reinforcement. While punishment follows a behavior, negative reinforcement is a training device that introduces an unwanted stimulus that is removed once the desired behavior is demonstrated. Think of your car's seat belt warning indicator. That annoying endless chime is designed you to put on your seatbelt. Once you do, it stops. Eventually you learn to just put on your seatbelt and avoid the chime altogether.

 

So now you know why kids whine and throw fits. They're training you.

 

6cce8d5d_shutterstock_141014737.jpg

I get that, but many dog trainers don't like to use the word "punishment" when they are training. That's reserved for when the animal does something wrong outside of training time, like piss on the floor. But your definition is accurate.

How about "aversive" training. That's the term that's used these days.

 

undesired behavior > aversive stimulus > behavior stops

 

 

You have to use aversives sparingly, because the subject will get used to it. But they can be very effective and even necessary.

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I can relate this to dog training (the style of which seems to be verboten raising kids). Using negative reinforcement ...

re: "negative reinforcement", a Psychology pro tip for the interested...

 

Punishment, administering an unwanted stimulus following an unwanted behavior (e,g, beating a dog) is sometimes mislabeled as negative reinforcement. While punishment follows a behavior, negative reinforcement is a training device that introduces an unwanted stimulus that is removed once the desired behavior is demonstrated. Think of your car's seat belt warning indicator. That annoying endless chime is designed you to put on your seatbelt. Once you do, it stops. Eventually you learn to just put on your seatbelt and avoid the chime altogether.

 

So now you know why kids whine and throw fits. They're training you.

 

6cce8d5d_shutterstock_141014737.jpg

I get that, but many dog trainers don't like to use the word "punishment" when they are training. That's reserved for when the animal does something wrong outside of training time, like piss on the floor. But your definition is accurate.

How about "aversive" training. That's the term that's used these days.

 

undesired behavior > aversive stimulus > behavior stops

 

 

You have to use aversives sparingly, because the subject will get used to it. But they can be very effective and even necessary.

I suppose I'm old school. I give ass whippings. They don't seem to mind too much.
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I can relate this to dog training (the style of which seems to be verboten raising kids). Using negative reinforcement ...

re: "negative reinforcement", a Psychology pro tip for the interested...

 

Punishment, administering an unwanted stimulus following an unwanted behavior (e,g, beating a dog) is sometimes mislabeled as negative reinforcement. While punishment follows a behavior, negative reinforcement is a training device that introduces an unwanted stimulus that is removed once the desired behavior is demonstrated. Think of your car's seat belt warning indicator. That annoying endless chime is designed you to put on your seatbelt. Once you do, it stops. Eventually you learn to just put on your seatbelt and avoid the chime altogether.

 

So now you know why kids whine and throw fits. They're training you.

 

6cce8d5d_shutterstock_141014737.jpg

I get that, but many dog trainers don't like to use the word "punishment" when they are training. That's reserved for when the animal does something wrong outside of training time, like piss on the floor. But your definition is accurate.

How about "aversive" training. That's the term that's used these days.

 

undesired behavior > aversive stimulus > behavior stops

 

 

You have to use aversives sparingly, because the subject will get used to it. But they can be very effective and even necessary.

I suppose I'm old school. I give ass whippings. They don't seem to mind too much.

Sad.
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I can relate this to dog training (the style of which seems to be verboten raising kids). Using negative reinforcement ...

re: "negative reinforcement", a Psychology pro tip for the interested...

 

Punishment, administering an unwanted stimulus following an unwanted behavior (e,g, beating a dog) is sometimes mislabeled as negative reinforcement. While punishment follows a behavior, negative reinforcement is a training device that introduces an unwanted stimulus that is removed once the desired behavior is demonstrated. Think of your car's seat belt warning indicator. That annoying endless chime is designed you to put on your seatbelt. Once you do, it stops. Eventually you learn to just put on your seatbelt and avoid the chime altogether.

 

So now you know why kids whine and throw fits. They're training you.

 

6cce8d5d_shutterstock_141014737.jpg

I get that, but many dog trainers don't like to use the word "punishment" when they are training. That's reserved for when the animal does something wrong outside of training time, like piss on the floor. But your definition is accurate.

How about "aversive" training. That's the term that's used these days.

 

undesired behavior > aversive stimulus > behavior stops

 

 

You have to use aversives sparingly, because the subject will get used to it. But they can be very effective and even necessary.

I suppose I'm old school. I give ass whippings. They don't seem to mind too much.

Sad.

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I can relate this to dog training (the style of which seems to be verboten raising kids). Using negative reinforcement ...

re: "negative reinforcement", a Psychology pro tip for the interested...

 

Punishment, administering an unwanted stimulus following an unwanted behavior (e,g, beating a dog) is sometimes mislabeled as negative reinforcement. While punishment follows a behavior, negative reinforcement is a training device that introduces an unwanted stimulus that is removed once the desired behavior is demonstrated. Think of your car's seat belt warning indicator. That annoying endless chime is designed you to put on your seatbelt. Once you do, it stops. Eventually you learn to just put on your seatbelt and avoid the chime altogether.

 

So now you know why kids whine and throw fits. They're training you.

 

6cce8d5d_shutterstock_141014737.jpg

I get that, but many dog trainers don't like to use the word "punishment" when they are training. That's reserved for when the animal does something wrong outside of training time, like piss on the floor. But your definition is accurate.

How about "aversive" training. That's the term that's used these days.

 

undesired behavior > aversive stimulus > behavior stops

 

 

You have to use aversives sparingly, because the subject will get used to it. But they can be very effective and even necessary.

I suppose I'm old school. I give ass whippings. They don't seem to mind too much.

Sad.

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I can relate this to dog training (the style of which seems to be verboten raising kids). Using negative reinforcement ...

re: "negative reinforcement", a Psychology pro tip for the interested...

 

Punishment, administering an unwanted stimulus following an unwanted behavior (e,g, beating a dog) is sometimes mislabeled as negative reinforcement. While punishment follows a behavior, negative reinforcement is a training device that introduces an unwanted stimulus that is removed once the desired behavior is demonstrated. Think of your car's seat belt warning indicator. That annoying endless chime is designed you to put on your seatbelt. Once you do, it stops. Eventually you learn to just put on your seatbelt and avoid the chime altogether.

 

So now you know why kids whine and throw fits. They're training you.

 

6cce8d5d_shutterstock_141014737.jpg

I get that, but many dog trainers don't like to use the word "punishment" when they are training. That's reserved for when the animal does something wrong outside of training time, like piss on the floor. But your definition is accurate.

How about "aversive" training. That's the term that's used these days.

 

undesired behavior > aversive stimulus > behavior stops

 

 

You have to use aversives sparingly, because the subject will get used to it. But they can be very effective and even necessary.

 

Never start with the head. The victim gets all fuzzy. He can't feel the next . . . See?

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I can relate this to dog training (the style of which seems to be verboten raising kids). Using negative reinforcement ...

re: "negative reinforcement", a Psychology pro tip for the interested...

 

Punishment, administering an unwanted stimulus following an unwanted behavior (e,g, beating a dog) is sometimes mislabeled as negative reinforcement. While punishment follows a behavior, negative reinforcement is a training device that introduces an unwanted stimulus that is removed once the desired behavior is demonstrated. Think of your car's seat belt warning indicator. That annoying endless chime is designed you to put on your seatbelt. Once you do, it stops. Eventually you learn to just put on your seatbelt and avoid the chime altogether.

 

So now you know why kids whine and throw fits. They're training you.

 

6cce8d5d_shutterstock_141014737.jpg

I get that, but many dog trainers don't like to use the word "punishment" when they are training. That's reserved for when the animal does something wrong outside of training time, like piss on the floor. But your definition is accurate.

How about "aversive" training. That's the term that's used these days.

 

undesired behavior > aversive stimulus > behavior stops

 

 

You have to use aversives sparingly, because the subject will get used to it. But they can be very effective and even necessary.

 

Never start with the head. The victim gets all fuzzy. He can't feel the next . . . See?

:LOL:

 

I was thinking more along the lines of shock collars on dogs.

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Why is this loser thread back on top of the first page.

 

Jimmy Page has more awards than Tom Brady. FRAUD!

 

Even losers have it made.

 

Life isn't fair but it's great to be alive.

 

Can't wait for the Raiders to knock off the Patriots next year in the playoffs. Or is it called the "payoffs." Ask Bellicheat and Kraft Mac And Cheese.

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Why is this loser thread back on top of the first page.

 

Jimmy Page has more awards than Tom Brady. FRAUD!

 

Even losers have it made.

 

Life isn't fair but it's great to be alive.

 

Can't wait for the Raiders to knock off the Patriots next year in the playoffs. Or is it called the "payoffs." Ask Bellicheat and Kraft Mac And Cheese.

 

 

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

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Why is this loser thread back on top of the first page.

 

Jimmy Page has more awards than Tom Brady. FRAUD!

 

Even losers have it made.

 

Life isn't fair but it's great to be alive.

 

Can't wait for the Raiders to knock off the Patriots next year in the playoffs. Or is it called the "payoffs." Ask Bellicheat and Kraft Mac And Cheese.

 

Effing HILARIOUS as always!! lol

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Why is this loser thread back on top of the first page.

 

Jimmy Page has more awards than Tom Brady. FRAUD!

 

Even losers have it made.

 

Life isn't fair but it's great to be alive.

 

Can't wait for the Raiders to knock off the Patriots next year in the playoffs. Or is it called the "payoffs." Ask Bellicheat and Kraft Mac And Cheese.

 

Brady’s done. Belichick only wins by cheating. Wish we had a simulated jerking off emoji.

 

And the Raiders sucked this year. Again.

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All I have to say is the PATRIOTS are by far THE LUCKIEST team in the league. That said I see no way they can win this next game, t by e RAMS will get there revenge from 20 years ago SB lost. As much as I love them, the Patriots are just not good.
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All I have to say is the PATRIOTS are by far THE LUCKIEST team in the league. That said I see no way they can win this next game, t by e RAMS will get there revenge from 20 years ago SB lost. As much as I love them, the Patriots are just not good.

:laughing guy:

 

 

srsly?

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All I have to say is the PATRIOTS are by far THE LUCKIEST team in the league. That said I see no way they can win this next game, t by e RAMS will get there revenge from 20 years ago SB lost. As much as I love them, the Patriots are just not good.

lol...
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All I have to say is the PATRIOTS are by far THE LUCKIEST team in the league. That said I see no way they can win this next game, t by e RAMS will get there revenge from 20 years ago SB lost. As much as I love them, the Patriots are just not good.

lol...

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All I have to say is the PATRIOTS are by far THE LUCKIEST team in the league. That said I see no way they can win this next game, t by e RAMS will get there revenge from 20 years ago SB lost. As much as I love them, the Patriots are just not good.

lol...

quote-the-harder-i-work-the-luckier-i-get-samuel-goldwyn-11-26-28.jpg

I thought Gary Player said that. I am not a Pats fan necessarily but I can and have appreciated excellence. It's not much different than those who hate Tiger especially in his prime and said he's lucky lol...
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All I have to say is the PATRIOTS are by far THE LUCKIEST team in the league. That said I see no way they can win this next game, t by e RAMS will get there revenge from 20 years ago SB lost. As much as I love them, the Patriots are just not good.

lol...

quote-the-harder-i-work-the-luckier-i-get-samuel-goldwyn-11-26-28.jpg

I thought Gary Player said that. I am not a Pats fan necessarily but I can and have appreciated excellence. It's not much different than those who hate Tiger especially in his prime and said he's lucky lol...

 

I am not a Pats fan either but Brady proved why people argue he is the best. Now I hope my Rams can take him down.

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All I have to say is the PATRIOTS are by far THE LUCKIEST team in the league. That said I see no way they can win this next game, t by e RAMS will get there revenge from 20 years ago SB lost. As much as I love them, the Patriots are just not good.

lol...

quote-the-harder-i-work-the-luckier-i-get-samuel-goldwyn-11-26-28.jpg

I thought Gary Player said that. I am not a Pats fan necessarily but I can and have appreciated excellence. It's not much different than those who hate Tiger especially in his prime and said he's lucky lol...

 

I am not a Pats fan either but Brady proved why people argue he is the best. Now I hope my Rams can take him down.

It's hard not to admire what he does.
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Interesting factoid.

 

Brady will be playing his sixth game against the Rams. One was in 2001 at the old foxboro stadium. One was at their current home, Gillette Stadium. One was in St Louis. One was in London. And this will be his second Superbowl against them at a neutral site.

 

That means Brady has played six games against the Rams in six different stadiums. If he plays two more years, he'll play them in LA, making it seven for seven.

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All I have to say is the PATRIOTS are by far THE LUCKIEST team in the league. That said I see no way they can win this next game, t by e RAMS will get there revenge from 20 years ago SB lost. As much as I love them, the Patriots are just not good.

lol...

quote-the-harder-i-work-the-luckier-i-get-samuel-goldwyn-11-26-28.jpg

I thought Gary Player said that. I am not a Pats fan necessarily but I can and have appreciated excellence. It's not much different than those who hate Tiger especially in his prime and said he's lucky lol...

 

I am not a Pats fan either but Brady proved why people argue he is the best. Now I hope my Rams can take him down.

 

1/2 a like. ;)

 

Should be a good game I think. Cooks was on my son's and my (really, his) fantasy team. I hope he's not as productive as he was for us this season.

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