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Nothing really ever changes. It seems that at any given moment, about any given issue, about half the people are wrong. The other half know that Permanent Waves is clearly a 70s album, The Last Jedi was damned entertaining, and Coca-Cola is better than Pepsi.
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Nothing really ever changes. It seems that at any given moment, about any given issue, about half the people are wrong. The other half know that Permanent Waves is clearly a 70s album, The Last Jedi was damned entertaining, and Coca-Cola is better than Pepsi.

 

Jesus I get it.

 

Please no one quote the "Half The World" lyrics now. UGH

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Nothing really ever changes. It seems that at any given moment, about any given issue, about half the people are wrong. The other half know that Permanent Waves is clearly a 70s album, The Last Jedi was damned entertaining, and Coca-Cola is better than Pepsi.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhy_EjmvQ0I&list=RDjhy_EjmvQ0I

 

Good Lord Ford!

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See, Neil knows.

 

 

Ugh

 

ATTENTION ALL TRFers!!! EARL HAS POSTED A ONE-WORD, ONE-SYLLABLE RESPONSE IN LOWER CASE LETTERS!!!

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See, Neil knows.

 

 

Ugh

 

ATTENTION ALL TRFers!!! EARL HAS POSTED A ONE-WORD, ONE-SYLLABLE RESPONSE IN LOWER CASE LETTERS!!!

 

Half the Rush Forum hates me while the other half loves me! ;)

 

Come on over - we'll have roast porg and beer.

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See, Neil knows.

 

 

Ugh

 

ATTENTION ALL TRFers!!! EARL HAS POSTED A ONE-WORD, ONE-SYLLABLE RESPONSE IN LOWER CASE LETTERS!!!

 

Half the Rush Forum hates me while the other half loves me! ;)

 

Come on over - we'll have roast porg and beer.

 

HAHAHAA!!!

 

It's because of cool cats like you that make me keep coming "BACK FOR MORE!"

 

Love,

 

RATT

 

You are on fire tonight TM!

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Nothing really ever changes. It seems that at any given moment, about any given issue, about half the people are wrong. The other half know that Permanent Waves is clearly a 70s album, The Last Jedi was damned entertaining, and Coca-Cola is better than Pepsi.

 

Amazing. Everything you said in that sentence is wrong.

 

Except the Coke thing.

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I’ve made arrangements with the administrators, we’ll have 14 less members here by C.O.B. today.

^^^This post belongs in the 1930s

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I’ve made arrangements with the administrators, we’ll have 14 less members here by C.O.B. today.

^^^This post belongs in the 1930s

You weren’t on THE LIST that can be changed!

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I’ve made arrangements with the administrators, we’ll have 14 less members here by C.O.B. today.

^^^This post belongs in the 1930s

You weren’t on THE LIST that can be changed!

OK, Uncle Joe

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So, musically does Permanent Waves belong in the 70s or 80s? Maybe it boils down to whether or not we characterize the 70s stuff as primarily guitar-driven music, with synths in a supporting role, sometimes longer songs tending to have less formulaic structures, and a mix of viewpoints and more lyrically narrative subjects - whereas 80s crap music is more synthy, concise, structured like pop songs, and more overt about social subjects lyrically.

 

Permanent Waves (as a typical 70s album)

Spirit of Radio: leads with a bitchin' guitar riff, generally guitar driven, recognizable structure but with intricate instrumentation at the start and a surprise shift near the end. Lyrics fairly overt

Freewill: guitar driven, jaw dropping chops in the middle section. Lyrics fairly overt

Jacob's Ladder: bass and synth opening, but the synth is really just a sustained note; guitar quickly becomes prominent; lyrics are narrative; song is long/epic and divided into parts or movements

Entre Nous: primarily guitar driven, with synth in a supporting role, metaphor-driven lyrics

Different Strings: guitar and piano, metaphor-driven lyrics

Natural Science: prog epic, with sound effects, different movements, heavily guitar-based, synths used to highlight lyrics about technological cynicism

 

Just compare these tunes to the majority of songs on any 80s Rush album - tons of them start with synthesizer, have guitars in supporting roles with less riffing and more sparse solos and often less painterly lyrics.

 

Sure, I may have a narrow view of the range of musical styles Rush tried out in any given decade, but I still think Permanent Waves has much more in common with what came before than to what came after. I think late 60s and 70s rock, from which Rush emerged, had a grasp on them well into the 80s, giving us great rock tunes like Analog Kid, Red Barchetta, Kid Gloves and a bunch of others but eventually something snapped, and we were left with Mission, Mystic Rhythms, Open Secrets and stuff like that. Still recognizably Rush, but not Rush-like.

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So, musically does Permanent Waves belong in the 70s or 80s? Maybe it boils down to whether or not we characterize the 70s stuff as primarily guitar-driven music, with synths in a supporting role, sometimes longer songs tending to have less formulaic structures, and a mix of viewpoints and more lyrically narrative subjects - whereas 80s crap music is more synthy, concise, structured like pop songs, and more overt about social subjects lyrically.

 

Permanent Waves (as a typical 70s album)

Spirit of Radio: leads with a bitchin' guitar riff, generally guitar driven, recognizable structure but with intricate instrumentation at the start and a surprise shift near the end. Lyrics fairly overt

Freewill: guitar driven, jaw dropping chops in the middle section. Lyrics fairly overt

Jacob's Ladder: bass and synth opening, but the synth is really just a sustained note; guitar quickly becomes prominent; lyrics are narrative; song is long/epic and divided into parts or movements

Entre Nous: primarily guitar driven, with synth in a supporting role, metaphor-driven lyrics

Different Strings: guitar and piano, metaphor-driven lyrics

Natural Science: prog epic, with sound effects, different movements, heavily guitar-based, synths used to highlight lyrics about technological cynicism

 

Just compare these tunes to the majority of songs on any 80s Rush album - tons of them start with synthesizer, have guitars in supporting roles with less riffing and more sparse solos and often less painterly lyrics.

 

Sure, I may have a narrow view of the range of musical styles Rush tried out in any given decade, but I still think Permanent Waves has much more in common with what came before than to what came after. I think late 60s and 70s rock, from which Rush emerged, had a grasp on them well into the 80s, giving us great rock tunes like Analog Kid, Red Barchetta, Kid Gloves and a bunch of others but eventually something snapped, and we were left with Mission, Mystic Rhythms, Open Secrets and stuff like that. Still recognizably Rush, but not Rush-like.

 

Finally someone makes a cogent argument. You have almost swayed me. Of course you are mostly correct.

 

I still think they have mostly stripped away the excesses of Hemispheres, they have even stated as such. I don't think Rush has ever consciously aligned themselves to any particular decade they just made the music that suited them at any given time. They simplified their approach with Waves and set themselves a template for future Rush music in late ‘79 up in the Laurentians.

 

I still one day hope to hear Sir. Gawain in some kind of outline or demo state. C’mon Broon release the hounds.

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So, musically does Permanent Waves belong in the 70s or 80s? Maybe it boils down to whether or not we characterize the 70s stuff as primarily guitar-driven music, with synths in a supporting role, sometimes longer songs tending to have less formulaic structures, and a mix of viewpoints and more lyrically narrative subjects - whereas 80s crap music is more synthy, concise, structured like pop songs, and more overt about social subjects lyrically.

 

Permanent Waves (as a typical 70s album)

Spirit of Radio: leads with a bitchin' guitar riff, generally guitar driven, recognizable structure but with intricate instrumentation at the start and a surprise shift near the end. Lyrics fairly overt

Freewill: guitar driven, jaw dropping chops in the middle section. Lyrics fairly overt

Jacob's Ladder: bass and synth opening, but the synth is really just a sustained note; guitar quickly becomes prominent; lyrics are narrative; song is long/epic and divided into parts or movements

Entre Nous: primarily guitar driven, with synth in a supporting role, metaphor-driven lyrics

Different Strings: guitar and piano, metaphor-driven lyrics

Natural Science: prog epic, with sound effects, different movements, heavily guitar-based, synths used to highlight lyrics about technological cynicism

 

Just compare these tunes to the majority of songs on any 80s Rush album - tons of them start with synthesizer, have guitars in supporting roles with less riffing and more sparse solos and often less painterly lyrics.

 

Sure, I may have a narrow view of the range of musical styles Rush tried out in any given decade, but I still think Permanent Waves has much more in common with what came before than to what came after. I think late 60s and 70s rock, from which Rush emerged, had a grasp on them well into the 80s, giving us great rock tunes like Analog Kid, Red Barchetta, Kid Gloves and a bunch of others but eventually something snapped, and we were left with Mission, Mystic Rhythms, Open Secrets and stuff like that. Still recognizably Rush, but not Rush-like.

 

Finally someone makes a cogent argument. You have almost swayed me. Of course you are mostly correct.

 

I still think they have mostly stripped away the excesses of Hemispheres, they have even stated as such. I don't think Rush has ever consciously aligned themselves to any particular decade they just made the music that suited them at any given time. They simplified their approach with Waves and set themselves a template for future Rush music in late ‘79 up in the Laurentians.

 

I still one day hope to hear Sir. Gawain in some kind of outline or demo state. C’mon Broon release the hounds.

 

I have always imagined Sir Gawain probably sounds like a combination of Madrigal, Different Strings and Jacob's Ladder.

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So, musically does Permanent Waves belong in the 70s or 80s? Maybe it boils down to whether or not we characterize the 70s stuff as primarily guitar-driven music, with synths in a supporting role, sometimes longer songs tending to have less formulaic structures, and a mix of viewpoints and more lyrically narrative subjects - whereas 80s crap music is more synthy, concise, structured like pop songs, and more overt about social subjects lyrically.

 

Permanent Waves (as a typical 70s album)

Spirit of Radio: leads with a bitchin' guitar riff, generally guitar driven, recognizable structure but with intricate instrumentation at the start and a surprise shift near the end. Lyrics fairly overt

Freewill: guitar driven, jaw dropping chops in the middle section. Lyrics fairly overt

Jacob's Ladder: bass and synth opening, but the synth is really just a sustained note; guitar quickly becomes prominent; lyrics are narrative; song is long/epic and divided into parts or movements

Entre Nous: primarily guitar driven, with synth in a supporting role, metaphor-driven lyrics

Different Strings: guitar and piano, metaphor-driven lyrics

Natural Science: prog epic, with sound effects, different movements, heavily guitar-based, synths used to highlight lyrics about technological cynicism

 

Just compare these tunes to the majority of songs on any 80s Rush album - tons of them start with synthesizer, have guitars in supporting roles with less riffing and more sparse solos and often less painterly lyrics.

 

Sure, I may have a narrow view of the range of musical styles Rush tried out in any given decade, but I still think Permanent Waves has much more in common with what came before than to what came after. I think late 60s and 70s rock, from which Rush emerged, had a grasp on them well into the 80s, giving us great rock tunes like Analog Kid, Red Barchetta, Kid Gloves and a bunch of others but eventually something snapped, and we were left with Mission, Mystic Rhythms, Open Secrets and stuff like that. Still recognizably Rush, but not Rush-like.

 

Finally someone makes a cogent argument. You have almost swayed me. Of course you are mostly correct.

 

I still think they have mostly stripped away the excesses of Hemispheres, they have even stated as such. I don't think Rush has ever consciously aligned themselves to any particular decade they just made the music that suited them at any given time. They simplified their approach with Waves and set themselves a template for future Rush music in late ‘79 up in the Laurentians.

 

I still one day hope to hear Sir. Gawain in some kind of outline or demo state. C’mon Broon release the hounds.

 

I have always imagined Sir Gawain probably sounds like a combination of Madrigal, Different Strings and Jacob's Ladder.

 

Hmm...I imagined a very bare bones version of pieces of Natural Science. I imagined that because I swear I read an interview stating something similar to that.

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So, musically does Permanent Waves belong in the 70s or 80s? Maybe it boils down to whether or not we characterize the 70s stuff as primarily guitar-driven music, with synths in a supporting role, sometimes longer songs tending to have less formulaic structures, and a mix of viewpoints and more lyrically narrative subjects - whereas 80s crap music is more synthy, concise, structured like pop songs, and more overt about social subjects lyrically.

 

Permanent Waves (as a typical 70s album)

Spirit of Radio: leads with a bitchin' guitar riff, generally guitar driven, recognizable structure but with intricate instrumentation at the start and a surprise shift near the end. Lyrics fairly overt

Freewill: guitar driven, jaw dropping chops in the middle section. Lyrics fairly overt

Jacob's Ladder: bass and synth opening, but the synth is really just a sustained note; guitar quickly becomes prominent; lyrics are narrative; song is long/epic and divided into parts or movements

Entre Nous: primarily guitar driven, with synth in a supporting role, metaphor-driven lyrics

Different Strings: guitar and piano, metaphor-driven lyrics

Natural Science: prog epic, with sound effects, different movements, heavily guitar-based, synths used to highlight lyrics about technological cynicism

 

Just compare these tunes to the majority of songs on any 80s Rush album - tons of them start with synthesizer, have guitars in supporting roles with less riffing and more sparse solos and often less painterly lyrics.

 

Sure, I may have a narrow view of the range of musical styles Rush tried out in any given decade, but I still think Permanent Waves has much more in common with what came before than to what came after. I think late 60s and 70s rock, from which Rush emerged, had a grasp on them well into the 80s, giving us great rock tunes like Analog Kid, Red Barchetta, Kid Gloves and a bunch of others but eventually something snapped, and we were left with Mission, Mystic Rhythms, Open Secrets and stuff like that. Still recognizably Rush, but not Rush-like.

 

Finally someone makes a cogent argument. You have almost swayed me. Of course you are mostly correct.

 

I still think they have mostly stripped away the excesses of Hemispheres, they have even stated as such. I don't think Rush has ever consciously aligned themselves to any particular decade they just made the music that suited them at any given time. They simplified their approach with Waves and set themselves a template for future Rush music in late ‘79 up in the Laurentians.

 

I still one day hope to hear Sir. Gawain in some kind of outline or demo state. C’mon Broon release the hounds.

 

I have always imagined Sir Gawain probably sounds like a combination of Madrigal, Different Strings and Jacob's Ladder.

 

Hmm...I imagined a very bare bones version of pieces of Natural Science. I imagined that because I swear I read an interview stating something similar to that.

 

I think you're right... But the whole dragons thing in Madrigal ties in so nicely with the themes of Different Strings. It sounds like something that would be in Sir Gawain.

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So, musically does Permanent Waves belong in the 70s or 80s? Maybe it boils down to whether or not we characterize the 70s stuff as primarily guitar-driven music, with synths in a supporting role, sometimes longer songs tending to have less formulaic structures, and a mix of viewpoints and more lyrically narrative subjects - whereas 80s crap music is more synthy, concise, structured like pop songs, and more overt about social subjects lyrically.

 

Permanent Waves (as a typical 70s album)

Spirit of Radio: leads with a bitchin' guitar riff, generally guitar driven, recognizable structure but with intricate instrumentation at the start and a surprise shift near the end. Lyrics fairly overt

Freewill: guitar driven, jaw dropping chops in the middle section. Lyrics fairly overt

Jacob's Ladder: bass and synth opening, but the synth is really just a sustained note; guitar quickly becomes prominent; lyrics are narrative; song is long/epic and divided into parts or movements

Entre Nous: primarily guitar driven, with synth in a supporting role, metaphor-driven lyrics

Different Strings: guitar and piano, metaphor-driven lyrics

Natural Science: prog epic, with sound effects, different movements, heavily guitar-based, synths used to highlight lyrics about technological cynicism

 

Just compare these tunes to the majority of songs on any 80s Rush album - tons of them start with synthesizer, have guitars in supporting roles with less riffing and more sparse solos and often less painterly lyrics.

 

Sure, I may have a narrow view of the range of musical styles Rush tried out in any given decade, but I still think Permanent Waves has much more in common with what came before than to what came after. I think late 60s and 70s rock, from which Rush emerged, had a grasp on them well into the 80s, giving us great rock tunes like Analog Kid, Red Barchetta, Kid Gloves and a bunch of others but eventually something snapped, and we were left with Mission, Mystic Rhythms, Open Secrets and stuff like that. Still recognizably Rush, but not Rush-like.

73, nothing else need be said. Please close this thread at your earliest convenience.

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