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Is "Cygnus X-1" a metal song?


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  1. 1. Is "Cygnus X-1" a metal song?



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No. Rush has metalesque sections, but they aren't a metal band. Cygnus X-1 is certainly heavy, but not really metal. A good blend of hard rock and progressive rock.

 

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Hahaha! Don't worry Nate I'm not going to kill you! I took a nice long break. Just checking in to say hello! As I do think this track is metal it is very progressive and dynamic as well. Funny, I just played all of "A Farewell To Kings" on my drums yesterday. Love it! When I think of RUSH and METAL in the same sentence I always think of this KERRANG! magazine article I had when I was a kid. There is a quote by Neil under a black and white picture of him saying..... "I've never thought of us as a heavy metal band." So there ya go! Hope all of my friends on here are well! HAPPY HOLIDAZE AND HAVE A HAPPY NEW BEER!!!!

 

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As if Neil saying that makes it true. I’ve never thought of Neil as an author but he is. I’ve never thought of Geddy as a keyboardist but he’s been one plenty of times.

 

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I don't give a shit what they call this song! IT'S A MASTERPIECE AND FUN TO PLAY TO ON THE DRUMS!!!!!

 

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1000% GRADE A METAL!

 

Neil's drumming on the intro of "FACE UP" RULES! TOOLS!

 

I had an ice cream parfait the other day which was topped with appetizing chopped nuts and a raspberry sauce. Within two bites I found the accompanying fruit to be spoiled and the ice cream itself sour.

 

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How cute - to see the opinions of those who weren't even born in 1977 talking as if they know because they have the internet and have read about it ..

 

Sorry kiddies, just because metal has "evolved" ( for lack of a better term ) doesn't mean Rush was not metal in 1977 or even still today ..

 

What once was, always will be

 

Now run along and play with your disposable little hand held devices and selfie sticks

 

http://i.imgur.com/xaDWiSB.jpg

 

Well said! I came to Rush via a metal band, Mastodon, giving Moving Pictures the highest praise.

 

Not sure how anyone could fail to note that, particularly for the time period, the music is very metal. Even reading articles from the time, mthe "metal" tag is used a lot.

 

Its not even an argument...just listen to Bastille Day for goodness sake!

 

...except that even by today's standards, everything is metal. Rush is heavy blues inspired progressive rock. Bastille Day may have been "heavy" for the time, but it isn't metal. Using that logic, bands like Nickelback and Disturbed would be metal as well. Which is far from the case. There's a fine line between "long hair man guitar solo dads drinking bud light anything that isn't 80s new wave or disco is metal" vs actual metal acts.

 

Disturbed is metal...Nickelback are shit but have metal moments.

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How cute - to see the opinions of those who weren't even born in 1977 talking as if they know because they have the internet and have read about it ..

 

Sorry kiddies, just because metal has "evolved" ( for lack of a better term ) doesn't mean Rush was not metal in 1977 or even still today ..

 

What once was, always will be

 

Now run along and play with your disposable little hand held devices and selfie sticks

 

http://i.imgur.com/xaDWiSB.jpg

 

Well said! I came to Rush via a metal band, Mastodon, giving Moving Pictures the highest praise.

 

Not sure how anyone could fail to note that, particularly for the time period, the music is very metal. Even reading articles from the time, mthe "metal" tag is used a lot.

 

Its not even an argument...just listen to Bastille Day for goodness sake!

 

...except that even by today's standards, everything is metal. Rush is heavy blues inspired progressive rock. Bastille Day may have been "heavy" for the time, but it isn't metal. Using that logic, bands like Nickelback and Disturbed would be metal as well. Which is far from the case. There's a fine line between "long hair man guitar solo dads drinking bud light anything that isn't 80s new wave or disco is metal" vs actual metal acts.

 

Disturbed is metal...Nickelback are shit but have metal moments.

 

Yeah, when has Disturbed ever been considered anything else? Sure, they've gotten more poppy sounding as time went by but they've always been metal.

 

Nickelback is one of the many bands who dip into some metal without ever going completely in.

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No. Rush has metalesque sections, but they aren't a metal band. Cygnus X-1 is certainly heavy, but not really metal. A good blend of hard rock and progressive rock.

 

I hope Earl doesn't kill me

 

Where has Earl been?

Hahaha! Don't worry Nate I'm not going to kill you! I took a nice long break. Just checking in to say hello! As I do think this track is metal it is very progressive and dynamic as well. Funny, I just played all of "A Farewell To Kings" on my drums yesterday. Love it! When I think of RUSH and METAL in the same sentence I always think of this KERRANG! magazine article I had when I was a kid. There is a quote by Neil under a black and white picture of him saying..... "I've never thought of us as a heavy metal band." So there ya go! Hope all of my friends on here are well! HAPPY HOLIDAZE AND HAVE A HAPPY NEW BEER!!!!

 

I’m gonna kill both you and Nate!

 

As if Neil saying that makes it true. I’ve never thought of Neil as an author but he is. I’ve never thought of Geddy as a keyboardist but he’s been one plenty of times.

 

Wasn't just Neil; Geddy has said this as well. That is, they they never thought of themselves as metal, even though many called them that early on, but rather they saw themselves as a hard rock band.

 

Doesn't mean Neil and Geddy are right, though I think they are (doesn't mean I don't recognize that played many metal riffs), but that's how they see/saw themselves.

 

And at least where I grew up, "Heavy Metal" was by the mid-'70s used to describe a certain kind of very heavy rock, but it wasn't meant for all very heavy/hard rock. From this forum it would seem the understanding was different from place to place. My understanding, and I was more in tune than most, even as a young kid, was that Sabbath, Deep Purple, etc etc was heavy metal, whereas Aerosmith, The Who, etc was hard rock (bands like UFO and AC/DC were in both camps, whereas Zeppelin was there own unique thing really; no one could ever pigeon hole them, they were just "Zeppelin", which is why there's never been another Zeppelin I suppose). By the time the '80s hit and people were really categorizing types of metal I had lost any/all interest, but I remember it as a kid in the '70s as being a particular thing.

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It's heavy as hell, but it's not metal. Just my opinion - the guitar riff doesn't strike me as being a metal riff. The Necromancer riff sounds like Sabbath, but I don't consider that metal, either. Lots of tunes are super heavy without being metal. The chugging guitar riff from 2112 overture and finale are more like metal riffs.I'll shaddap now and keep my unpopular opinions from bawderin' anybody further.
If Cygnus X-1 is not metal, then most of tracks on the album Sabbath Bloody Sabbath(A National Acrobat, Sabbra Cadabra, Killing Yourself to Live, Who Are You?), Megalomania and The Writ are not metal. Edited by Texas King
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I don't think so. Rush is Prog Rock/Hard Rock imo and they haven't dabbed into Metal on any of there songs.

Back in the late 70's what they did was metal. There wasn't any death metal or black metal or speed metal or even thrash metal in the 70's. Where do you think the term heavy metal came from? It didn't come from Metallica, they were in school.

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From Wikipedia, so take it for what it's worth, but it's got some good references. Taken together, it backs up what I recall, that by the mid-Seventies, Heavy Metal was a distinct genre, and Black Sabbath and Deep Purple were the most recognizable bands (Zeppelin is often included, but I think that doesn't hold after LZ II), though not the only ones.

 

In a review of Sir Lord Baltimore's Kingdom Come in the May 1971 Creem, Saunders wrote, "Sir Lord Baltimore seems to have down pat most all the best heavy metal tricks in the book".[97] Creem critic Lester Bangs is credited with popularizing the term via his early 1970s essays on bands such as Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath.[98] Through the decade, heavy metal was used by certain critics as a virtually automatic putdown. In 1979, lead New York Times popular music critic John Rockwell described what he called "heavy-metal rock" as "brutally aggressive music played mostly for minds clouded by drugs",[99] and, in a different article, as "a crude exaggeration of rock basics that appeals to white teenagers".[100]

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Coined by Black Sabbath drummer Bill Ward, "downer rock" was one of the earliest terms used to describe this style of music and was applied to acts such as Sabbath and Bloodrock. Classic Rock magazine described the downer rock culture revolving around the use of Quaaludes and the drinking of wine.[101] Later the term would be replaced by "heavy metal".[102]

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The terms "heavy metal" and "hard rock" have often been used interchangeably, particularly in discussing bands of the 1970s, a period when the terms were largely synonymous.[103] For example, the 1983 Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll includes this passage: "known for its aggressive blues-based hard-rock style, Aerosmith was the top American heavy-metal band of the mid-Seventies".[104]

Earlier on, as "heavy metal" emerged partially from the heavy psychedelic rock or acid rock scene, "acid rock" was often used interchangeably with "heavy metal" and "hard rock". Musicologist Steve Waksman stated that "the distinction between acid rock, hard rock, and heavy metal can at some point never be more than tenuous",[105] while percussionist John Beck defined "acid rock" as synonymous with hard rock and heavy metal.[106]

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Critics disagree over who can be thought of as the first heavy metal band. Most credit either Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath, with American commentators tending to favour Led Zeppelin and British commentators tending to favour Black Sabbath, though many give equal credit to both. A few commentators—mainly American—argue for other groups including Iron Butterfly, Steppenwolf or Blue Cheer.[129] Deep Purple, the third band in what is sometimes considered the "unholy trinity" of heavy metal (Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple), despite being slightly older than Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, fluctuated between many rock styles until late 1969 when they took a heavy metal direction.[130]

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Led Zeppelin defined central aspects of the emerging genre, with Page's highly distorted guitar style and singer Robert Plant's dramatic, wailing vocals.[154] Other bands, with a more consistently heavy, "purely" metal sound, would prove equally important in codifying the genre. The 1970 releases by Black Sabbath (Black Sabbath and Paranoid) and Deep Purple (In Rock) were crucial in this regard.[114]

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there are arguments about whether these and other early bands truly qualify as "heavy metal" or simply as "hard rock". Those closer to the music's blues roots or placing greater emphasis on melody are now commonly ascribed the latter label. AC/DC, which debuted with High Voltage in 1975, is a prime example. The 1983 Rolling Stone encyclopedia entry begins, "Australian heavy-metal band AC/DC".[172] Rock historian Clinton Walker writes, "Calling AC/DC a heavy metal band in the seventies was as inaccurate as it is today.... [They] were a rock 'n' roll band that just happened to be heavy enough for metal".[173] The issue is not only one of shifting definitions, but also a persistent distinction between musical style and audience identification: Ian Christe describes how the band "became the stepping-stone that led huge numbers of hard rock fans into heavy metal perdition".[174]

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In certain cases, there is little debate. After Black Sabbath, the next major example is Britain's Judas Priest, which debuted with Rocka Rolla in 1974. In Christe's description,

"Black Sabbath's audience was...left to scavenge for sounds with similar impact. By the mid-1970s, heavy metal aesthetic could be spotted, like a mythical beast, in the moody bass and complex dual guitars of
, in the stagecraft of
, in the sizzling guitar and showy vocals of
, and in the thundering medieval questions of Rainbow.... Judas Priest arrived to unify and amplify these diverse highlights from hard rock's sonic palette. For the first time, heavy metal became a true genre unto itself."
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Where do you think the term heavy metal came from? It didn't come from Metallica, they were in school.

 

William Burroughs, "The Soft Machine", 1961.

"...Uranium Willy, the Heavy Metal Kid."

 

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Who needs genres anyway. If no one can agree on the definition of a genre, what's the point of them?

 

New genres: Plaster Over Metal Studs . . . . Metal Alloy . . . Iron Ore (I like that one for 70s bands)

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