PolarizeMe Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) Steven : It's not different. All the Porcupine Tree songs started off as solo songs - me writing everything, demoing everything. It's just a different band that's recording them, that's all. Exactly. Your move, Polarize.Fair point, and SW's right. But make no mistake, the band he convened for PT (Colin Edwin, Richard Barbieri, Gavin Harrison, Chris Maitland and John Wesley) added their spices to his songs and have such distinct playing styles that sonically and feel wise is different than post-PT SW. That is different from the quality of the song writing cause I'd say in that regard, Hand.Cannot.Erase is his greatest success. The closest PT sounding solo album is Insurgentes and a lot of that had to do with Gavin being the drummer on the album. Now here's your move: what PT/SW albums have you listened to so far? I'm curious to know cause it seems you judge based on one song: case in point (if Union is to believe and I believe him) Devin Townsend with March Of The Poozers. Edited September 1, 2017 by PolarizeMe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Steven : It's not different. All the Porcupine Tree songs started off as solo songs - me writing everything, demoing everything. It's just a different band that's recording them, that's all. Exactly. Your move, Polarize.Fair point, and SW's right. But make no mistake, the band he convened for PT (Colin Edwin, Richard Barbieri, Gavin Harrison, Chris Maitland and John Wesley) added their spices to his songs and have such distinct playing styles that sonically and feel wise is different than post-PT SW. That is different from the quality of the song writing cause I'd say in that regard, Hand.Cannot.Erase is his greatest success. The closest PT sounding solo album is Insurgentes and a lot of that had to do with Gavin being the drummer on the album. Now here's your move: what PT/SW albums have you listened to so far? I'm curious to know I want to know if you're legit. this is the guy who didn't listen to half of rush's output........so this should be interesting right. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolarizeMe Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) Steven : It's not different. All the Porcupine Tree songs started off as solo songs - me writing everything, demoing everything. It's just a different band that's recording them, that's all. Exactly. Your move, Polarize.Fair point, and SW's right. But make no mistake, the band he convened for PT (Colin Edwin, Richard Barbieri, Gavin Harrison, Chris Maitland and John Wesley) added their spices to his songs and have such distinct playing styles that sonically and feel wise is different than post-PT SW. That is different from the quality of the song writing cause I'd say in that regard, Hand.Cannot.Erase is his greatest success. The closest PT sounding solo album is Insurgentes and a lot of that had to do with Gavin being the drummer on the album. Now here's your move: what PT/SW albums have you listened to so far? I'm curious to know I want to know if you're legit. this is the guy who didn't listen to half of rush's output........so this should be interesting right. MickHonestly, I've subsided on this "fight" with fraroc and honestly I'm tired of it. Granted I came across as a c*** and probably did me no good but I had to try to justify why I think he's not in a position to talk unless he's heard a substantial amount of Steven Wilson's music and by that, I mean at least 3 PT and solo albums. The main difference between PT and his solo work is that he and the rest of PT made compromises in the kind of music they wanted to make (it's amazing they lasted as long as they did in hindsight) as PT whereas with his solo work he's got full reigns of what he wants and gets the right people to help him realize it. Since Richard hates jazz, and the other two (Gavin and Colin) have their other projects (namely King Crimson for Gavin), they're out of the equation and thus no more PT. And for the record so fraroc can READ this, I've welcomed his solo career since the beginning (way before he even joined this forum) and I've been on record as saying that his solo career produced three (Insurgentes, Raven and H.C.E.) of his best albums period, including his work in PT, No-Man, Blackfield, Bass Communion, I.E.M., and Storm Corrosion. Just because I didn't like To The Bone as much as the other four before it shouldn't be the end all be all as far as what I think of his solo career. Edited September 1, 2017 by PolarizeMe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Not Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) When I first listened through To The Bone, I thought to myself, "wow, Gutherie got totally downplayed on this album as opposed to Raven / HCE". When the album was officially released I looked at the credits, lo and behold Gutherie wasn't anywhere to be seen. His absence is palpable. So, it's no wonder that this logic extends to switching from a long-time line-up to a completely different one, if one at all. Add that to the fact that Steven went from staying within just a couple genres (in Porcupine Tree), slowly moving (psychedelic prog rock to prog metal), and then as a solo artist into complete creative freedom, hitting shoegaze, pop, ambient, jazz rock, he dipped into industrial, etc. Steven songwrites, but he doesn't compose in PT/SW (if anyone knows of any exceptions, I'd be happy to know of them). There's a monstrous difference between simply songwriting and composing a song. In the latter situation the songwriter has complete control while in the former the songwriter sets the foundation and then, in a group, the song is finished. This is why Don't Hate Me is a masterpiece thanks to Colin's bridge:http://youtu.be/NptF4mJzuCY fraroc doesn't know what the f**k I'm talking about right now, naturally :) Edited September 2, 2017 by Mr. Not 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I think half the new record is amazing and prog. The other half is shit pop techno. Um, what? Please unpack this with specifics and tell me which songs are "pop techno." Shit dude, I've been doing my audio homework over the last few days! I've heard it three times now. I can't lay down specifics right now. There are some song that are just sooooo pop techno. I am sure you are an intellectual. Most on here are. Except for loud mouth idiot me!!! I know nothing about music. This album is like "Half The World" by RUSH. Half sucks. Half is brilliant. Sarcasm aside, there isn't a single song on this record that is "pop techno." Saying otherwise is just inaccurate and gives the wrong idea to someone who hasn't heard the album yet and might want to check it out. I beg to differ, alas I must have hearing damage from playing to Rush albums for 35 years. There are a few shitty songs on this record. Drum machine, disco, techno pop. Good for Steven for trying to write a hit song in 2017. I am sure he wants to outsell KESHA or KATY PERRY! Are you kidding me? Hey? To each their own! I like most of the new record but here are a few shitty pop techno disco songs on the record. Most of the record is "GOOD." But some is..... Oh yeah.... sarcasm and puns.... I live for this moment...... BAD "TO THE BONE!" Love, George Thorogood And The Destroyers I'm just a rock and roll critic with no power at all. Everyone had their own "Freewill" to decide what they want to hear. Yes, I am an opinionated jerk with music.It's my true passion in life next to drumming. I never made it, but I still drum daily. I played "Hemispheres" and "A Farewell To Kings" today back to back in that order. It made me feel so good and happy. Some days are better than others. It's life. We all have our our shit and happiness to have. I take Steven Wilson very serious as an artist, as for my 49 year young brain there really isn't that much left that excites me. "To The Bone" is mediocre with some good shit weaved throughout. Maybe my opinion will change with more listens. You know I love to jump the gun.You know I love to jump the shark.You know I love to be that "Double Agent"You know I love Ozzy's "Shot In The Dark." I love a very good debate or argument, especially over music.We all will never agree but I love most forum members on here.Even when I'm a dick I meet a good friend through a silly "Misunderstanding!" All good K! Love, GENESIS Long-winded diatribes aside, you still cannot name what songs on the album are techno pop...because there aren't any! I absolutely can name one track on "To The Bone" that is completely pop techno. Without the long winded typing! "PERMANATING" Did Steven completely rip off Daft Punk? Give me a break! Song sucks turkey balls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steevo Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I think half the new record is amazing and prog. The other half is shit pop techno. Um, what? Please unpack this with specifics and tell me which songs are "pop techno." Shit dude, I've been doing my audio homework over the last few days! I've heard it three times now. I can't lay down specifics right now. There are some song that are just sooooo pop techno. I am sure you are an intellectual. Most on here are. Except for loud mouth idiot me!!! I know nothing about music. This album is like "Half The World" by RUSH. Half sucks. Half is brilliant. Sarcasm aside, there isn't a single song on this record that is "pop techno." Saying otherwise is just inaccurate and gives the wrong idea to someone who hasn't heard the album yet and might want to check it out. I beg to differ, alas I must have hearing damage from playing to Rush albums for 35 years. There are a few shitty songs on this record. Drum machine, disco, techno pop. Good for Steven for trying to write a hit song in 2017. I am sure he wants to outsell KESHA or KATY PERRY! Are you kidding me? Hey? To each their own! I like most of the new record but here are a few shitty pop techno disco songs on the record. Most of the record is "GOOD." But some is..... Oh yeah.... sarcasm and puns.... I live for this moment...... BAD "TO THE BONE!" Love, George Thorogood And The Destroyers I'm just a rock and roll critic with no power at all. Everyone had their own "Freewill" to decide what they want to hear. Yes, I am an opinionated jerk with music.It's my true passion in life next to drumming. I never made it, but I still drum daily. I played "Hemispheres" and "A Farewell To Kings" today back to back in that order. It made me feel so good and happy. Some days are better than others. It's life. We all have our our shit and happiness to have. I take Steven Wilson very serious as an artist, as for my 49 year young brain there really isn't that much left that excites me. "To The Bone" is mediocre with some good shit weaved throughout. Maybe my opinion will change with more listens. You know I love to jump the gun.You know I love to jump the shark.You know I love to be that "Double Agent"You know I love Ozzy's "Shot In The Dark." I love a very good debate or argument, especially over music.We all will never agree but I love most forum members on here.Even when I'm a dick I meet a good friend through a silly "Misunderstanding!" All good K! Love, GENESIS Long-winded diatribes aside, you still cannot name what songs on the album are techno pop...because there aren't any! I absolutely can name one track on "To The Bone" that is completely pop techno. Without the long winded typing! "PERMANATING" Did Steven completely rip off Daft Punk? Give me a break! Song sucks turkey balls. Love you Earl. I tried to like it I really did but come on...now where's that Voulez-Vous album hiding :banana: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I think half the new record is amazing and prog. The other half is shit pop techno. Um, what? Please unpack this with specifics and tell me which songs are "pop techno." Shit dude, I've been doing my audio homework over the last few days! I've heard it three times now. I can't lay down specifics right now. There are some song that are just sooooo pop techno. I am sure you are an intellectual. Most on here are. Except for loud mouth idiot me!!! I know nothing about music. This album is like "Half The World" by RUSH. Half sucks. Half is brilliant. Sarcasm aside, there isn't a single song on this record that is "pop techno." Saying otherwise is just inaccurate and gives the wrong idea to someone who hasn't heard the album yet and might want to check it out. I beg to differ, alas I must have hearing damage from playing to Rush albums for 35 years. There are a few shitty songs on this record. Drum machine, disco, techno pop. Good for Steven for trying to write a hit song in 2017. I am sure he wants to outsell KESHA or KATY PERRY! Are you kidding me? Hey? To each their own! I like most of the new record but here are a few shitty pop techno disco songs on the record. Most of the record is "GOOD." But some is..... Oh yeah.... sarcasm and puns.... I live for this moment...... BAD "TO THE BONE!" Love, George Thorogood And The Destroyers I'm just a rock and roll critic with no power at all. Everyone had their own "Freewill" to decide what they want to hear. Yes, I am an opinionated jerk with music.It's my true passion in life next to drumming. I never made it, but I still drum daily. I played "Hemispheres" and "A Farewell To Kings" today back to back in that order. It made me feel so good and happy. Some days are better than others. It's life. We all have our our shit and happiness to have. I take Steven Wilson very serious as an artist, as for my 49 year young brain there really isn't that much left that excites me. "To The Bone" is mediocre with some good shit weaved throughout. Maybe my opinion will change with more listens. You know I love to jump the gun.You know I love to jump the shark.You know I love to be that "Double Agent"You know I love Ozzy's "Shot In The Dark." I love a very good debate or argument, especially over music.We all will never agree but I love most forum members on here.Even when I'm a dick I meet a good friend through a silly "Misunderstanding!" All good K! Love, GENESIS Long-winded diatribes aside, you still cannot name what songs on the album are techno pop...because there aren't any! I absolutely can name one track on "To The Bone" that is completely pop techno. Without the long winded typing! "PERMANATING" Did Steven completely rip off Daft Punk? Give me a break! Song sucks turkey balls. Love you Earl. I tried to like it I really did but come on...now where's that Voulez-Vous album hiding :banana: HAHAHA! Love you too Steve! Great call on the Epic ABBA album! LOVE IT! Steven Wilson is trying to hard. He's like RUSH without testicles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraroc Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Steven : It's not different. All the Porcupine Tree songs started off as solo songs - me writing everything, demoing everything. It's just a different band that's recording them, that's all. Exactly. Your move, Polarize.Fair point, and SW's right. But make no mistake, the band he convened for PT (Colin Edwin, Richard Barbieri, Gavin Harrison, Chris Maitland and John Wesley) added their spices to his songs and have such distinct playing styles that sonically and feel wise is different than post-PT SW. That is different from the quality of the song writing cause I'd say in that regard, Hand.Cannot.Erase is his greatest success. The closest PT sounding solo album is Insurgentes and a lot of that had to do with Gavin being the drummer on the album. Now here's your move: what PT/SW albums have you listened to so far? I'm curious to know cause it seems you judge based on one song: case in point (if Union is to believe and I believe him) Devin Townsend with March Of The Poozers. I've listened to more Devin Townsend than just that one song. I know that I do enjoy his solo stuff a lot more than SYL. A lot of SYL's music just seems very weird and arythmic, almost verging on grindcore. DTP is a little more melodic, more like a Dio or an Iron Maiden sound, which I like better than most "extreme metal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolarizeMe Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) Steven : It's not different. All the Porcupine Tree songs started off as solo songs - me writing everything, demoing everything. It's just a different band that's recording them, that's all. Exactly. Your move, Polarize.Fair point, and SW's right. But make no mistake, the band he convened for PT (Colin Edwin, Richard Barbieri, Gavin Harrison, Chris Maitland and John Wesley) added their spices to his songs and have such distinct playing styles that sonically and feel wise is different than post-PT SW. That is different from the quality of the song writing cause I'd say in that regard, Hand.Cannot.Erase is his greatest success. The closest PT sounding solo album is Insurgentes and a lot of that had to do with Gavin being the drummer on the album. Now here's your move: what PT/SW albums have you listened to so far? I'm curious to know cause it seems you judge based on one song: case in point (if Union is to believe and I believe him) Devin Townsend with March Of The Poozers. I've listened to more Devin Townsend than just that one song. I know that I do enjoy his solo stuff a lot more than SYL. A lot of SYL's music just seems very weird and arythmic, almost verging on grindcore. DTP is a little more melodic, more like a Dio or an Iron Maiden sound, which I like better than most "extreme metal".Still haven't answered my question of "Which PT and/or SW albums you've listened to so far?" :eyeroll: Edited September 3, 2017 by PolarizeMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemispheresserehpsimeH Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Just as a side note: it actually blows me away that Wilson has now released five solo albums. I know he releases albums like clockwork, but it feels like The Incident/Insurgentes just came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_World_Man Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Maybe now he'll reconsider not having children. LOL. Actually, I think most of us already knew this but it's good that he finally made it official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The K Man Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I think half the new record is amazing and prog. The other half is shit pop techno. Um, what? Please unpack this with specifics and tell me which songs are "pop techno." Shit dude, I've been doing my audio homework over the last few days! I've heard it three times now. I can't lay down specifics right now. There are some song that are just sooooo pop techno. I am sure you are an intellectual. Most on here are. Except for loud mouth idiot me!!! I know nothing about music. This album is like "Half The World" by RUSH. Half sucks. Half is brilliant. Sarcasm aside, there isn't a single song on this record that is "pop techno." Saying otherwise is just inaccurate and gives the wrong idea to someone who hasn't heard the album yet and might want to check it out. I beg to differ, alas I must have hearing damage from playing to Rush albums for 35 years. There are a few shitty songs on this record. Drum machine, disco, techno pop. Good for Steven for trying to write a hit song in 2017. I am sure he wants to outsell KESHA or KATY PERRY! Are you kidding me? Hey? To each their own! I like most of the new record but here are a few shitty pop techno disco songs on the record. Most of the record is "GOOD." But some is..... Oh yeah.... sarcasm and puns.... I live for this moment...... BAD "TO THE BONE!" Love, George Thorogood And The Destroyers I'm just a rock and roll critic with no power at all. Everyone had their own "Freewill" to decide what they want to hear. Yes, I am an opinionated jerk with music.It's my true passion in life next to drumming. I never made it, but I still drum daily. I played "Hemispheres" and "A Farewell To Kings" today back to back in that order. It made me feel so good and happy. Some days are better than others. It's life. We all have our our shit and happiness to have. I take Steven Wilson very serious as an artist, as for my 49 year young brain there really isn't that much left that excites me. "To The Bone" is mediocre with some good shit weaved throughout. Maybe my opinion will change with more listens. You know I love to jump the gun.You know I love to jump the shark.You know I love to be that "Double Agent"You know I love Ozzy's "Shot In The Dark." I love a very good debate or argument, especially over music.We all will never agree but I love most forum members on here.Even when I'm a dick I meet a good friend through a silly "Misunderstanding!" All good K! Love, GENESIS Long-winded diatribes aside, you still cannot name what songs on the album are techno pop...because there aren't any! I absolutely can name one track on "To The Bone" that is completely pop techno. Without the long winded typing! "PERMANATING" Did Steven completely rip off Daft Punk? Give me a break! Song sucks turkey balls. Serious question: do you know what techno is? Permanating is undoubtedly a pop song, in the vein of ABBA, but techno? My God, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I love Permananting. Fantastic album. Love it more and more the more I listen. This and the new Queens of the Stone Age are on CONSTANT rotation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate2112 Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 I love Permananting. Fantastic album. Love it more and more the more I listen. This and the new Queens of the Stone Age are on CONSTANT rotation. To the Bone is my favorite of his solo works and along with Insurgentes the only ones I like. The feel that early PT up 'till In Absentia was in a league of its own. I hear talk of the comparison of Pink Floyd to his early stuff, but damn, I can't hear it myself. (I think early PT is better than Floyd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steevo Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I love Permananting. Fantastic album. Love it more and more the more I listen. Good for you Presto. Just not what I want from SW, oh well, moving along... :D-13: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I really don't want anything specific from Wilson. I would rather he do what he wants and I like it or I won't. In fact I rather DISLIKED both of his first two solo albums (literally never listen to either of them) and then along came Raven and I was wow'd. And HCE...wow'd again. Genius keeps you coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By Tor Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I have to confess I`m a Steven Wilson Solo fan :(So I guess I should be happy about it . Sorry :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 No shit sherlock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I'm sure this is no news, but speculation is over. It's a dead band now. This is probably the biggest heartbreak for me. Porcupine Tree's official closure is only rivaled by Rush, when they eventually call it quits. http://bravewords.co...-a-writer-videoThis is a bummer to me. PT was better than sliced bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompers Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I have to confessI`m a Steven Wilson Solo fan :(So I guess I should be happy about it .Sorry :(You should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I'm sure this is no news, but speculation is over. It's a dead band now. This is probably the biggest heartbreak for me. Porcupine Tree's official closure is only rivaled by Rush, when they eventually call it quits. http://bravewords.co...-a-writer-videoThis is a bummer to me. PT was better than sliced bread. I've heard some rumblings of this over the past few...saw him solo a few years back, and it was great stuff! There's a book coming out about the band soon (I think I'll be getting it in January) that has the story of the band...guessing it mentions the end. That was some great stuff...just bummed I never got to see "THAT" band live... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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