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Considering that most people equate porcupine tree with Steven Wilson and he has a very consistent solo career, it probably isn't that big of a loss.

In the words of Robert Fripp, unless you've seen or heard Porcupine Tree, you don't have the right to form an opinion. Your track record proves it and I honestly doubt your sincerity on your opinion.

 

Porcupine Tree was a band with 4 distinct personalities. SW's solo career is basically his vision and his vision alone. Your opinion does not equate AT ALL.

 

I'm just saying that just because PT as a band is no more, doesn't mean the well has dried up for the creativity and music. As I said, Steven Wilson has a relatively successful solo career, he released a solo album literally ten days ago and after listening to a little bit of it, the well definitely hasn't dried up AT ALL.

Nowhere in my original post did I ever imply SW's well has dried up for musical creativity. If you knew your facts, he's made music as No-Man, Blackfield, IEM, Storm Corrosion, and Bass Communion which has a new 10" coming out next month.

 

And as for his new solo album, thanks for stating the obvious, Sherlock. I've already posted on the To The Bone thread many times already and I even listened to the album again today...and I think it's great even if it isn't my favorite thing he's done. I like to know what your opinion is on it...if you even listened to it yet. Regardless, my opinion still stands.

 

Oh will you EVER forgive me for not being as familiar with Steven Wilson as you? Listen dude, we all have our own obscure thing that we're into. Do you know who Tim Donahue is? Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Not a lot of people do, but I happen to be a huge fan of his work.

 

Anyway, I do find the opening track to be a very beautiful song and I'm actually listening to more of it right now as I type this.

Sure, I would but that's exactly why I think you don't have a right to weigh in on "equating" PT with SW's solo work and PT not being a big of a loss. For the majority, it's not much of a loss, but there is a growing amount of people who have opened about about missing PT and thus consider the dissolution of the band leaving somewhat of a void for themselves. At least I don't weigh in on something I don't know well using calculated rhetoric which is why I don't bother weighing on what you listen to cause it doesn't apply to me. This however does cause I do listen to SW and have for the past 7 years.

 

Sure, you bring up only one good point in having individual taste in music, but these days, I tend to keep that stuff to myself and like minded listeners only.

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I personally think this is a good thing. Perhaps this opens the door for collaborations between the band members on different projects. It would be great to see Gavin and Steven together again. I believe Richard and Colin have also done a collaboration together, right? Might be something to explore.

 

Maybe we'll be in for some surprise releases from the PT vault. Would be great for Steven to go through whatever live recordings he has and publish them. Coma Divine got expanded way back in 2004, but not by much. There's plenty of stuff to include on a possible new edition of that album. I believe they recorded Dark Matter and a lot of material from the Signify album along with the original phases of Voyage 34. Would be interesting to hear, as I've never been able to find any Porcupine Tree bootlegs.

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I personally think this is a good thing. Perhaps this opens the door for collaborations between the band members on different projects. It would be great to see Gavin and Steven together again. I believe Richard and Colin have also done a collaboration together, right? Might be something to explore.

 

Maybe we'll be in for some surprise releases from the PT vault. Would be great for Steven to go through whatever live recordings he has and publish them. Coma Divine got expanded way back in 2004, but not by much. There's plenty of stuff to include on a possible new edition of that album. I believe they recorded Dark Matter and a lot of material from the Signify album along with the original phases of Voyage 34. Would be interesting to hear, as I've never been able to find any Porcupine Tree bootlegs.

Gavin did guest on Storm Corrosion and he recommended Craig to Steven so they're obviously on good terms. Who knows, maybe he'll appear on a future solo album again. He's on Insurgentes

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Considering that most people equate porcupine tree with Steven Wilson and he has a very consistent solo career, it probably isn't that big of a loss.

In the words of Robert Fripp, unless you've seen or heard Porcupine Tree, you don't have the right to form an opinion. Your track record proves it and I honestly doubt your sincerity on your opinion.

 

Porcupine Tree was a band with 4 distinct personalities. SW's solo career is basically his vision and his vision alone. Your opinion does not equate AT ALL.

 

And before that Porcupine Tree began as a Wilson solo project.

 

Either way I don't give a f**k. I love PT, but all things must pass. There may not be a PT today because of Steven, but there never would have been a PT AT ALL without him either. Who better to kill it than the man who gave it life to begin with...?

 

So goes life.

 

"All Things Must Pass"

 

George Harrison

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I can see Earl getting into a fist fight with Wilson over this. Two middle-aged men fighting like mad dogs in the street!

 

There is a lot of stupidity out there.

 

No. I'm not stupid. Perhaps I don't get your jest or joust.

 

Perhaps I will have a "Stupid Dream" tonight. I won't type about it.

 

Coincidentally I just got my Japanese pressing of the new Steven Wilson solo album. I bought my cd early so I have a cool rare pin badge that came with the cd.

 

I think half the new record is amazing and prog. The other half is shit pop techno. Didn't I just write this?

 

I would never waste my time trying to fight with Steven Wilson in the street.

 

I would rather fight for love.

 

But I lost that three years ago.

 

Thank God I have my girls.

 

 

I am blessed and cursed.

 

Love,

 

Johnny Blaze

 

The death of Rush hurts so much more.

 

Thank God I was at the Forum to see their last show. EVER!

 

 

LOSING IT

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Considering that most people equate porcupine tree with Steven Wilson and he has a very consistent solo career, it probably isn't that big of a loss.

In the words of Robert Fripp, unless you've seen or heard Porcupine Tree, you don't have the right to form an opinion. Your track record proves it and I honestly doubt your sincerity on your opinion.

 

Porcupine Tree was a band with 4 distinct personalities. SW's solo career is basically his vision and his vision alone. Your opinion does not equate AT ALL.

 

I'm just saying that just because PT as a band is no more, doesn't mean the well has dried up for the creativity and music. As I said, Steven Wilson has a relatively successful solo career, he released a solo album literally ten days ago and after listening to a little bit of it, the well definitely hasn't dried up AT ALL.

Nowhere in my original post did I ever imply SW's well has dried up for musical creativity. If you knew your facts, he's made music as No-Man, Blackfield, IEM, Storm Corrosion, and Bass Communion which has a new 10" coming out next month.

 

And as for his new solo album, thanks for stating the obvious, Sherlock. I've already posted on the To The Bone thread many times already and I even listened to the album again today...and I think it's great even if it isn't my favorite thing he's done. I like to know what your opinion is on it...if you even listened to it yet. Regardless, my opinion still stands.

 

Being a bit c u n t y about this whole thing, no?

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Considering that most people equate porcupine tree with Steven Wilson and he has a very consistent solo career, it probably isn't that big of a loss.

In the words of Robert Fripp, unless you've seen or heard Porcupine Tree, you don't have the right to form an opinion. Your track record proves it and I honestly doubt your sincerity on your opinion.

 

Porcupine Tree was a band with 4 distinct personalities. SW's solo career is basically his vision and his vision alone. Your opinion does not equate AT ALL.

 

And before that Porcupine Tree began as a Wilson solo project.

 

Either way I don't give a f**k. I love PT, but all things must pass. There may not be a PT today because of Steven, but there never would have been a PT AT ALL without him either. Who better to kill it than the man who gave it life to begin with...?

 

So goes life.

 

"All Things Must Pass"

 

George Harrison

 

...like a kidney stone.

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Considering that most people equate porcupine tree with Steven Wilson and he has a very consistent solo career, it probably isn't that big of a loss.

In the words of Robert Fripp, unless you've seen or heard Porcupine Tree, you don't have the right to form an opinion. Your track record proves it and I honestly doubt your sincerity on your opinion.

 

Porcupine Tree was a band with 4 distinct personalities. SW's solo career is basically his vision and his vision alone. Your opinion does not equate AT ALL.

 

I'm just saying that just because PT as a band is no more, doesn't mean the well has dried up for the creativity and music. As I said, Steven Wilson has a relatively successful solo career, he released a solo album literally ten days ago and after listening to a little bit of it, the well definitely hasn't dried up AT ALL.

Nowhere in my original post did I ever imply SW's well has dried up for musical creativity. If you knew your facts, he's made music as No-Man, Blackfield, IEM, Storm Corrosion, and Bass Communion which has a new 10" coming out next month.

 

And as for his new solo album, thanks for stating the obvious, Sherlock. I've already posted on the To The Bone thread many times already and I even listened to the album again today...and I think it's great even if it isn't my favorite thing he's done. I like to know what your opinion is on it...if you even listened to it yet. Regardless, my opinion still stands.

 

Being a bit c u n t y about this whole thing, no?

Yeah I am, but I'm going up against the the guy who lamented the death of rock on this forum three times and then asked how to save it.
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Considering that most people equate porcupine tree with Steven Wilson and he has a very consistent solo career, it probably isn't that big of a loss.

In the words of Robert Fripp, unless you've seen or heard Porcupine Tree, you don't have the right to form an opinion. Your track record proves it and I honestly doubt your sincerity on your opinion.

 

Porcupine Tree was a band with 4 distinct personalities. SW's solo career is basically his vision and his vision alone. Your opinion does not equate AT ALL.

 

And before that Porcupine Tree began as a Wilson solo project.

 

Either way I don't give a f**k. I love PT, but all things must pass. There may not be a PT today because of Steven, but there never would have been a PT AT ALL without him either. Who better to kill it than the man who gave it life to begin with...?

 

So goes life.

 

"All Things Must Pass"

 

George Harrison

 

...like a kidney stone.

 

Hahaha!

 

"Like A Rolling Stone"

 

Love,

 

Bob Dylan

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I think half the new record is amazing and prog. The other half is shit pop techno.

 

 

Um, what? Please unpack this with specifics and tell me which songs are "pop techno."

 

Shit dude, I've been doing my audio homework over the last few days!

 

I've heard it three times now. I can't lay down specifics right now.

 

There are some song that are just sooooo pop techno.

 

I am sure you are an intellectual. Most on here are. Except for loud mouth idiot me!!!

 

I know nothing about music.

 

This album is like "Half The World" by RUSH. Half sucks. Half is brilliant.

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Steven wrote upwards of 90% of all PT's music - by In Absentia, he would come in with complete demos and the others would put their own personality into playing what was on the demo. PT was most certainly Steven's vision filtered through the varied tastes and skills of the others. IMHO, things had dropped off significantly with The Incident - the vortex of album/tour cycle, perhaps, but I sense Steven wasn't all that enthused with the semi-collaborative work from disc 2 of that album (some good stuff, but clearly Steven's vision was Disc 1) and definitely not with the tour. With Grace for Drowning, I really missed PT(liked it, but not as much as PT.) Now, I love SW solo work and prefer it in certain ways - at least to the point of being ok with no future PT.

 

This does not come as a surprise to me, as Steven has said similar things in recent years and to quote a discussion I had with John Wesley about possible PT work a few years back: "don't hold your breath."

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Didn't learn about the band until FoaBP so I was late to the party. I did see them at HoB Orlando and stood about 10' away from the stage. Incredible show.

 

I was there too! Probably not too far from you. Incredible show indeed (cheating the polygraph melted my brain!) Next night, I was one of very few people at the in-store show at Park Ave CD shop that was released as "We lost the skyline" (I can hear myself cheering on that disc! lol.) Met the whole band. That show was a bit of a life-changer.

 

(I also saw them at ORL HOB and in Tampa (front row; Thanks T2) and in New York on The Incident Tour.)

 

Then Orl HOB on the Grace For Drowning tour (with Marco on drums and Wes filling in on guitar) - a magical show and tremendous production. More recent shows in Florida (Raven, HCE) have been in crappy venues (stellar shows none-the-less!). Hope he gets back to HOB.

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This thread got me searching for an article; didn't find it - but did find this:

 

http://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/steven_wilson_of_porcupine_tree/

 

Songfacts: How do you compare the songwriting process of your solo work to Porcupine Tree?

 

Steven: It's not different. All the Porcupine Tree songs started off as solo songs - me writing everything, demoing everything. It's just a different band that's recording them, that's all.

 

 

also, an interesting tidbit that I didn't recall. If the Deadwing film was made, the soundtrack would have been a solo album - including several PT songs and some recorded after (I wonder which?).

 

Songfacts: "Arriving Somewhere but Not Here"?

 

Steven: That was based on a film script. There was a film script I wrote with a very good friend of mine named Mike Bennion who was making commercials, and he wanted to make a feature film. About 12 years ago, we sat down together to try and write something for him that he could direct as a first feature. I would describe it as a surrealist ghost story. I don't want to say too much more about it, because one day, I hope we might make it still.

 

But it was a surrealist ghost story, and the song "Arriving Somewhere but Not Here," well the title said it - it was about this idea of arriving at a point in your life that you never intended to arrive at, and I suppose having some perspective about that.

 

It was one of a bunch of songs I wrote for what would have been the film soundtrack, and it would have actually been my first solo record if it had happened. Because it was going to be the soundtrack to this movie that we never managed to get the financing for, unfortunately. But I wrote a bunch of songs that were all relating to the characters in this movie. "Lazarus" was another one. Some of them ended up being recorded by my band at the time, Porcupine Tree, and some of them I have recorded since in my solo career. But this whole group of songs were related to these characters in the movie script. It's difficult for me to talk about them too much without giving away the whole plot, but I can tell you that it was a story of this mother coming back from beyond the grave as a ghost to reclaim her son.

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I think half the new record is amazing and prog. The other half is shit pop techno.

 

 

Um, what? Please unpack this with specifics and tell me which songs are "pop techno."

 

Shit dude, I've been doing my audio homework over the last few days!

 

I've heard it three times now. I can't lay down specifics right now.

 

There are some song that are just sooooo pop techno.

 

I am sure you are an intellectual. Most on here are. Except for loud mouth idiot me!!!

 

I know nothing about music.

 

This album is like "Half The World" by RUSH. Half sucks. Half is brilliant.

 

Sarcasm aside, there isn't a single song on this record that is "pop techno." Saying otherwise is just inaccurate and gives the wrong idea to someone who hasn't heard the album yet and might want to check it out.

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I think half the new record is amazing and prog. The other half is shit pop techno.

 

 

Um, what? Please unpack this with specifics and tell me which songs are "pop techno."

 

Shit dude, I've been doing my audio homework over the last few days!

 

I've heard it three times now. I can't lay down specifics right now.

 

There are some song that are just sooooo pop techno.

 

I am sure you are an intellectual. Most on here are. Except for loud mouth idiot me!!!

 

I know nothing about music.

 

This album is like "Half The World" by RUSH. Half sucks. Half is brilliant.

 

Sarcasm aside, there isn't a single song on this record that is "pop techno." Saying otherwise is just inaccurate and gives the wrong idea to someone who hasn't heard the album yet and might want to check it out.

 

I beg to differ, alas I must have hearing damage from playing to Rush albums for 35 years.

 

There are a few shitty songs on this record. Drum machine, disco, techno pop.

 

Good for Steven for trying to write a hit song in 2017. I am sure he wants to outsell KESHA or KATY PERRY!

 

Are you kidding me?

 

Hey? To each their own!

 

I like most of the new record but here are a few shitty pop techno disco songs on the record.

 

Most of the record is "GOOD."

 

But some is.....

 

Oh yeah.... sarcasm and puns.... I live for this moment......

 

 

BAD "TO THE BONE!"

 

Love,

 

George Thorogood And The Destroyers

 

I'm just a rock and roll critic with no power at all.

 

Everyone had their own "Freewill" to decide what they want to hear.

 

Yes, I am an opinionated jerk with music.

It's my true passion in life next to drumming.

 

I never made it, but I still drum daily.

 

I played "Hemispheres" and "A Farewell To Kings" today back to back in that order.

 

It made me feel so good and happy.

 

Some days are better than others. It's life. We all have our our shit and happiness to have.

 

I take Steven Wilson very serious as an artist, as for my 49 year young brain there really isn't that much left that excites me.

 

"To The Bone" is mediocre with some good shit weaved throughout.

 

Maybe my opinion will change with more listens.

 

You know I love to jump the gun.

You know I love to jump the shark.

You know I love to be that "Double Agent"

You know I love Ozzy's "Shot In The Dark."

 

 

I love a very good debate or argument, especially over music.

We all will never agree but I love most forum members on here.

Even when I'm a dick I meet a good friend through a silly "Misunderstanding!"

 

All good K!

 

Love,

 

GENESIS

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Steven : It's not different. All the Porcupine Tree songs started off as solo songs - me writing everything, demoing everything. It's just a different band that's recording them, that's all.

 

Exactly.

 

Absolutely Presto!

 

It's all about Steven Wilson. Hence Ghost is all about Tobias Forge. Humans can hate whatever they want about the Forge Canon and the Wilson Canon.

 

I happen to LOVE IT ALL!

 

Well except for a few pop songs on "To The Bone."

 

 

"Roll The Bones" bitches!

 

That rap part will always suck!

 

But that song is better than anything on "Vapor Trails!" LOL!

 

 

Signed,

 

"GHOST WRITER"

 

This isn't Rushhead typing. It's my ex wife Wendy! I really do love RUSH! Earl took me to over 25 shows during our marriage! I am not a hobo! I am a drifter. "Here I Go Again!" Coverdale changed those lyrics! Remember Pat?

 

Haha!

 

This is for Tree Duck!

 

I hope he reads this!

 

I am sure many of you think I'm insane but it's really just an inside joke between Pat and I.

 

I love that Whitesnake Wanker!

 

Love you too Presto!

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I was slow to get into SW's solo stuff as well, but since Raven especially I've grown to like it as much as most PT material.

 

And as was pointed out, SW *was* PT. That's common knowledge for even casual PT fans.

 

You can hear this in his solo material, many moments that echo prior PT albums and/or songs. There's quite a few of these moments on 4 1/2 and TtB.

 

Never say never about PT, just because SW is having success now doesn't mean he won't suddenly get the urge to do work as the band again. Just look at how quickly the direction changed on TtB. He goes where the mood takes him. What I don't find promising for PT's future is how abruptly it ended and how certain it has seemed all along that there would be no Phase 3 (unless you consider SW's solo work Phase 3). The way it ended stinks of turbulence within the band, and I suspect they're being professionals by not dragging the legacy of PT through those muddy waters publicly. A gentlemen's agreement to let go and move on. SW has definitely made the most of his post-PT career, but certainly Gavin has gained traction as a result of his time with PT [who knew of him prior to joining PT?] landing him the role in the elite and active touring prog gods King Crimson. That's not such a bad gig! ;)

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I think half the new record is amazing and prog. The other half is shit pop techno.

 

 

Um, what? Please unpack this with specifics and tell me which songs are "pop techno."

 

Shit dude, I've been doing my audio homework over the last few days!

 

I've heard it three times now. I can't lay down specifics right now.

 

There are some song that are just sooooo pop techno.

 

I am sure you are an intellectual. Most on here are. Except for loud mouth idiot me!!!

 

I know nothing about music.

 

This album is like "Half The World" by RUSH. Half sucks. Half is brilliant.

 

Sarcasm aside, there isn't a single song on this record that is "pop techno." Saying otherwise is just inaccurate and gives the wrong idea to someone who hasn't heard the album yet and might want to check it out.

 

I beg to differ, alas I must have hearing damage from playing to Rush albums for 35 years.

 

There are a few shitty songs on this record. Drum machine, disco, techno pop.

 

Good for Steven for trying to write a hit song in 2017. I am sure he wants to outsell KESHA or KATY PERRY!

 

Are you kidding me?

 

Hey? To each their own!

 

I like most of the new record but here are a few shitty pop techno disco songs on the record.

 

Most of the record is "GOOD."

 

But some is.....

 

Oh yeah.... sarcasm and puns.... I live for this moment......

 

 

BAD "TO THE BONE!"

 

Love,

 

George Thorogood And The Destroyers

 

I'm just a rock and roll critic with no power at all.

 

Everyone had their own "Freewill" to decide what they want to hear.

 

Yes, I am an opinionated jerk with music.

It's my true passion in life next to drumming.

 

I never made it, but I still drum daily.

 

I played "Hemispheres" and "A Farewell To Kings" today back to back in that order.

 

It made me feel so good and happy.

 

Some days are better than others. It's life. We all have our our shit and happiness to have.

 

I take Steven Wilson very serious as an artist, as for my 49 year young brain there really isn't that much left that excites me.

 

"To The Bone" is mediocre with some good shit weaved throughout.

 

Maybe my opinion will change with more listens.

 

You know I love to jump the gun.

You know I love to jump the shark.

You know I love to be that "Double Agent"

You know I love Ozzy's "Shot In The Dark."

 

 

I love a very good debate or argument, especially over music.

We all will never agree but I love most forum members on here.

Even when I'm a dick I meet a good friend through a silly "Misunderstanding!"

 

All good K!

 

Love,

 

GENESIS

 

Long-winded diatribes aside, you still cannot name what songs on the album are techno pop...because there aren't any!

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Steven wrote upwards of 90% of all PT's music - by In Absentia, he would come in with complete demos and the others would put their own personality into playing what was on the demo. PT was most certainly Steven's vision filtered through the varied tastes and skills of the others. IMHO, things had dropped off significantly with The Incident - the vortex of album/tour cycle, perhaps, but I sense Steven wasn't all that enthused with the semi-collaborative work from disc 2 of that album (some good stuff, but clearly Steven's vision was Disc 1) and definitely not with the tour. With Grace for Drowning, I really missed PT(liked it, but not as much as PT.) Now, I love SW solo work and prefer it in certain ways - at least to the point of being ok with no future PT.

 

This does not come as a surprise to me, as Steven has said similar things in recent years and to quote a discussion I had with John Wesley about possible PT work a few years back: "don't hold your breath."

 

When I saw him on his last tour (HCE Tour) it was clear to me PT was over. I have loved his solo work beginning with The Raven That Could Not Sing thru To The Bone. I was not a big fan of Insurgents at all. Grace For Drowning has some great songs but was uneven. But the last three albums Steve has found his wheelhouse again.

 

I love it. I hope and pray he comes to Florida again for the To The Bone Tour. I will travel anywhere in the state to see him again.

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This thread got me searching for an article; didn't find it - but did find this:

 

http://www.songfacts...porcupine_tree/

 

Songfacts: How do you compare the songwriting process of your solo work to Porcupine Tree?

 

Steven: It's not different. All the Porcupine Tree songs started off as solo songs - me writing everything, demoing everything. It's just a different band that's recording them, that's all.

 

 

Steven : It's not different. All the Porcupine Tree songs started off as solo songs - me writing everything, demoing everything. It's just a different band that's recording them, that's all.

 

Exactly.

 

He's still the songwriter, yes. I hope this isn't to suggest that there isn't a notable difference between PT and SW which is largely due to the line-up changes :D

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Steven : It's not different. All the Porcupine Tree songs started off as solo songs - me writing everything, demoing everything. It's just a different band that's recording them, that's all.

 

Exactly.

 

Your move, Polarize.

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