Is bass guitar easier to learn then normal guitar?

[EagleMoon]

Most bass players I know could care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer. Guys like billy Sheehan , with his solos, are chuckled at. Respected, sure. But no one needs to play the bass like that.

 

Geddy is a good balance. Melodic lines with just enough chops.

 

Billy Sheehan is considered to be a wanker. In this sense it means playing bass like a guitar. Too many worthless notes just trying to look cool.

 

Eagle I think that is a bit unfair

 

Billy Sheehan is a great player. He just did his own thing.

 

Why the f**k should a bass player not use the right hand finger taping technique playing like a guitarist?

 

The technique is not exclusive to 6 string you know?

 

So many different styles and techniques on the bass

 

Eddie Van Halen adapted the "slap bass" technique to work on guitar.

 

It is all just creativity and invention Eagle

 

My favourite all time bass guitar player is Jaco Pastorius and he never gave a shit about what was supposed to be "normal"

 

He did incredible stuff including harmonics on the bass which had not been tried before XXXXXX

 

https://youtu.be/Ae0nwSv6cTU

 

I didn't say anything about being normal, that's not exactly what I mean. I mean he plays bass like a guitar. Not just the tapping. Comparing Jaco to him is like comparing a 747 to a prop plane. There is creative playing and then there is showing off with not a whole lot of talent behind it.

 

Edited March 23, 2017 by EagleMoon

[Del_Duio]

Plus Stu Hamm does a shitload of bass tapping and nobody I know thinks he's a bass douche :D

[Stugotz]

Ride your own ride.......

[Ancient Ways]

Yes, but probably harder to master.

 

I think the physical layout of a 6 string electric is harder to play, simply because the strings are much closer together and pickups tend to reveal all your mistakes much easier. Mastering a 6 string at the level proficient enough to be considered 'master' is certainly not for slouches.

Indeed not. Maybe it's because of where my interest lies, but it seems there are far more guitar masters (the phrase "a dime a dozen" comes to mind) than bass masters.

 

It's definitely more popular, but I was speaking purely from a mechanics point of view. Guitar and what it takes to play it at that level IMO is more difficult due to mechanical challenges (assuming finger / hand size not being factored).

 

I think playing to a high standard they are both different disciplines. As a reasonably accomplished guitar player I would not argue with you, but I would also say that it would take me a long time and a lot of practise to play the bass to the same standard.

 

The six string guitar is such an idio syncratic instrument. The tuning for a start does not follow any traditional logic. Why tune it in 5th's then tune the 5th string as a 4th?

 

That is why it is almost impossible to learn to play music on guitar by the traditional musical staves.

 

That is why I preferred to learn piano to study musical theory at college.

 

Interesting point. My brother and his son both play keys, and they really don't " get" the guitar. My brother has said all guitar players play in the key of E... haha

That's funny. I'm guessing most of it is A, D, or E. Even the stuff that's in Eb is just because they tuned down a half step and it's played as if it was in E.

[EagleMoon]

Plus Stu Hamm does a shitload of bass tapping and nobody I know thinks he's a bass douche :D

 

Right. Because he does it tastefully and he is a great pocket player as well.

[Steve Smith]

Most bass players I know could care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer. Guys like billy Sheehan , with his solos, are chuckled at. Respected, sure. But no one needs to play the bass like that.

 

Geddy is a good balance. Melodic lines with just enough chops.

 

Billy Sheehan is considered to be a wanker. In this sense it means playing bass like a guitar. Too many worthless notes just trying to look cool.

 

Eagle I think that is a bit unfair

 

Billy Sheehan is a great player. He just did his own thing.

 

Why the f**k should a bass player not use the right hand finger taping technique playing like a guitarist?

 

The technique is not exclusive to 6 string you know?

 

So many different styles and techniques on the bass

 

Eddie Van Halen adapted the "slap bass" technique to work on guitar.

 

It is all just creativity and invention Eagle

 

My favourite all time bass guitar player is Jaco Pastorius and he never gave a shit about what was supposed to be "normal"

 

He did incredible stuff including harmonics on the bass which had not been tried before XXXXXX

 

https://youtu.be/Ae0nwSv6cTU

 

I didn't say anything about being normal, that's not exactly what I mean. I mean he plays bass like a guitar. Not just the tapping. Comparing Jaco to him is like comparing a 747 to a prop plane. There is creative playing and then there is showing off with not a whole lot of talent behind it.

 

Well Eagle you certainly feel strongly about this subject I will grant you that. If I am honest then I would have to agree with you with some of the points you made.

 

I was never a fan of Sheehan really but to just say he is no good is being a bit unfair IMHO

 

I just don't think that a musician should be compelled to always have to follow the set "rules", otherwise we would never have any innovation.

 

Jimi Hendrix broke every single rule and he was a genius and he set the standard for other rock players to follow.

 

I do respect your opinion although I don't necessarily agree with it.

 

Mark King from Level 42 was once regarded as the best bass player in the world. I liked the band and I liked him but there are many who say that he took the slap technique too much to extremes and it was overkill

 

KR's

 

Stevie

[Ancient Ways]

Mark King is amazing. What he does fits in the music and style and doesn't seem like showboating at all. Love his work.

[vitalsigns318]

You have put the time in no matter what you do, just remember it's a journey and have fun along the way. The guitar has chords to learn, but it is easier to play physically where as a bass has heavier strings but generally you are only playing one string at a time. Try both and see which one you like better. Edited March 24, 2017 by vitalsigns318

[Steve Smith]

Mark King is amazing. What he does fits in the music and style and doesn't seem like showboating at all. Love his work.

 

Oh so are we friends again now????

 

 

 

 

xxxxx :P :P :P :P :P :P

You should check out Mark solo album, lot of influences by his hero Jack Bruce

[Steve Smith]

bloody stupid thread

 

Come up with something better

 

Are eggs better than bacon???

 

the bass guitar has the same four notes as the six string, just an octave lower

 

E A D G

 

It is not rocket science

[thirteen]

Most bass players I know could not care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer.

As a guitarist, this type of bass player is great to play/jam with.

It can be difficult to jam with a bass player that is too 'busy'.

[EagleMoon]

Most bass players I know could not care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer.

As a guitarist, this type of bass player is great to play/jam with.

It can be difficult to jam with a bass player that is too 'busy'.

 

That's one of the things that makes bass more difficult to learn than it appears. Knowing what to play, and when.

[Stugotz]

Steve, nothing is better than bacon.

[Steve Smith]

Steve, nothing is better than bacon.

 

Especially when your girl cooks it for you.

 

Oh no! bollocks! Sexist alert!!!

 

Steve the Sexist

 

Was just joking ladies, honest!

 

[JARG]

Steve, nothing is better than bacon.

 

Hmmm...I'm not so sure about that. Given the choice between nothing and bacon, I'd choose bacon every time. ;)

[Stugotz]

JARG, you just caused a glitch in my matrix....... Edited March 26, 2017 by Stugotz

[Babycat]

Yes

No

Maybe

Well, that covers all the basses :syrinx:

 

:LMAO:

[Stugotz]

Most bass players I know could not care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer.

As a guitarist, this type of bass player is great to play/jam with.

It can be difficult to jam with a bass player that is too 'busy'.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUFwk1Ibwkc

[Steve Smith]

Most bass players I know could not care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer.

As a guitarist, this type of bass player is great to play/jam with.

It can be difficult to jam with a bass player that is too 'busy'.

 

That's one of the things that makes bass more difficult to learn than it appears. Knowing what to play, and when.

 

Eagle you are so right.

 

One of my best friends John is a very in demand player around the North East band circuit these days. We played together from when we were 18 years old in about 1984 (god that was so long ago). One of the things that drew us together at the start was our love for all musical genres when our friends and peers and the Newcastle scene in the 80's was primarily about Metal and Rock. John can play all of the fast technical stuff but he is primarily a "groove" player as he started off on the drums.

 

I hope you don't mind me sending a link to one of the many bands he works with these days to show you

 

He is the big baldy guy that looks like "Uncle Fester", when we met at 18 John was 11 stone and had a flock of long blonde hair!!! ha ha

 

Hope you like.

 

 

That is John playing in a "groove"

 

Here is another different track to show more of his technical ability with a different band

 

 

Still keeps a good groove though

 

Steve

[EagleMoon]

Most bass players I know could not care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer.

As a guitarist, this type of bass player is great to play/jam with.

It can be difficult to jam with a bass player that is too 'busy'.

 

That's one of the things that makes bass more difficult to learn than it appears. Knowing what to play, and when.

 

Eagle you are so right.

 

One of my best friends John is a very in demand player around the North East band circuit these days. We played together from when we were 18 years old in about 1984 (god that was so long ago). One of the things that drew us together at the start was our love for all musical genres when our friends and peers and the Newcastle scene in the 80's was primarily about Metal and Rock. John can play all of the fast technical stuff but he is primarily a "groove" player as he started off on the drums.

 

I hope you don't mind me sending a link to one of the many bands he works with these days to show you

 

He is the big baldy guy that looks like "Uncle Fester", when we met at 18 John was 11 stone and had a flock of long blonde hair!!! ha ha

 

Hope you like.

 

 

That is John playing in a "groove"

 

Here is another different track to show more of his technical ability with a different band

 

 

Still keeps a good groove though

 

Steve

 

That's nice. I like it. :)

[Steve Smith]

Most bass players I know could not care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer.

As a guitarist, this type of bass player is great to play/jam with.

It can be difficult to jam with a bass player that is too 'busy'.

 

That's one of the things that makes bass more difficult to learn than it appears. Knowing what to play, and when.

 

Eagle you are so right.

 

One of my best friends John is a very in demand player around the North East band circuit these days. We played together from when we were 18 years old in about 1984 (god that was so long ago). One of the things that drew us together at the start was our love for all musical genres when our friends and peers and the Newcastle scene in the 80's was primarily about Metal and Rock. John can play all of the fast technical stuff but he is primarily a "groove" player as he started off on the drums.

 

I hope you don't mind me sending a link to one of the many bands he works with these days to show you

 

He is the big baldy guy that looks like "Uncle Fester", when we met at 18 John was 11 stone and had a flock of long blonde hair!!! ha ha

 

Hope you like.

 

 

That is John playing in a "groove"

 

Here is another different track to show more of his technical ability with a different band

 

 

Still keeps a good groove though

 

Steve

 

That's nice. I like it. :)

 

How can we help Segue, Eagle?

 

He was so desperate and down when I first came here but lately he has got so much better and more happy but in the last few days he seems to be struggling again.

 

Not really much we can do apart from offering advice and support I suppose :finbar: :finbar:

 

I do not think there is anyone here on this forum that has not been through awful stuff in their life. But I suppose oldies like me can just try to help from the experiences we have been through. I am a desperately lonely person since my GF and I split up but I have come to terms with it and have my mum and have saved enough over the years not to have to work.

 

Anyway sorry to bore you Eagle

 

Steve

 

[EagleMoon]

Most bass players I know could not care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer.

As a guitarist, this type of bass player is great to play/jam with.

It can be difficult to jam with a bass player that is too 'busy'.

 

That's one of the things that makes bass more difficult to learn than it appears. Knowing what to play, and when.

 

Eagle you are so right.

 

One of my best friends John is a very in demand player around the North East band circuit these days. We played together from when we were 18 years old in about 1984 (god that was so long ago). One of the things that drew us together at the start was our love for all musical genres when our friends and peers and the Newcastle scene in the 80's was primarily about Metal and Rock. John can play all of the fast technical stuff but he is primarily a "groove" player as he started off on the drums.

 

I hope you don't mind me sending a link to one of the many bands he works with these days to show you

 

He is the big baldy guy that looks like "Uncle Fester", when we met at 18 John was 11 stone and had a flock of long blonde hair!!! ha ha

 

Hope you like.

 

 

That is John playing in a "groove"

 

Here is another different track to show more of his technical ability with a different band

 

 

Still keeps a good groove though

 

Steve

 

That's nice. I like it. :)

 

How can we help Segue, Eagle?

 

He was so desperate and down when I first came here but lately he has got so much better and more happy but in the last few days he seems to be struggling again.

 

Not really much we can do apart from offering advice and support I suppose :finbar: :finbar:

 

I do not think there is anyone here on this forum that has not been through awful stuff in their life. But I suppose oldies like me can just try to help from the experiences we have been through. I am a desperately lonely person since my GF and I split up but I have come to terms with it and have my mum and have saved enough over the years not to have to work.

 

Anyway sorry to bore you Eagle

 

Steve

 

 

What are you talking about? You're still a young whippersnapper.

[Steve Smith]

Most bass players I know could not care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer.

As a guitarist, this type of bass player is great to play/jam with.

It can be difficult to jam with a bass player that is too 'busy'.

 

That's one of the things that makes bass more difficult to learn than it appears. Knowing what to play, and when.

 

Eagle you are so right.

 

One of my best friends John is a very in demand player around the North East band circuit these days. We played together from when we were 18 years old in about 1984 (god that was so long ago). One of the things that drew us together at the start was our love for all musical genres when our friends and peers and the Newcastle scene in the 80's was primarily about Metal and Rock. John can play all of the fast technical stuff but he is primarily a "groove" player as he started off on the drums.

 

I hope you don't mind me sending a link to one of the many bands he works with these days to show you

 

He is the big baldy guy that looks like "Uncle Fester", when we met at 18 John was 11 stone and had a flock of long blonde hair!!! ha ha

 

Hope you like.

 

 

That is John playing in a "groove"

 

Here is another different track to show more of his technical ability with a different band

 

 

Still keeps a good groove though

 

Steve

 

That's nice. I like it. :)

 

How can we help Segue, Eagle?

 

He was so desperate and down when I first came here but lately he has got so much better and more happy but in the last few days he seems to be struggling again.

 

Not really much we can do apart from offering advice and support I suppose :finbar: :finbar:

 

I do not think there is anyone here on this forum that has not been through awful stuff in their life. But I suppose oldies like me can just try to help from the experiences we have been through. I am a desperately lonely person since my GF and I split up but I have come to terms with it and have my mum and have saved enough over the years not to have to work.

 

Anyway sorry to bore you Eagle

 

Steve

 

 

What are you talking about? You're still a young whippersnapper.

 

I am as old as time itself Eagle my friend. Seriously though age is just a number isn't it?

[Steve Smith]

Most bass players I know could not care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer.

As a guitarist, this type of bass player is great to play/jam with.

It can be difficult to jam with a bass player that is too 'busy'.

 

That's one of the things that makes bass more difficult to learn than it appears. Knowing what to play, and when.

 

Eagle you are so right.

 

One of my best friends John is a very in demand player around the North East band circuit these days. We played together from when we were 18 years old in about 1984 (god that was so long ago). One of the things that drew us together at the start was our love for all musical genres when our friends and peers and the Newcastle scene in the 80's was primarily about Metal and Rock. John can play all of the fast technical stuff but he is primarily a "groove" player as he started off on the drums.

 

I hope you don't mind me sending a link to one of the many bands he works with these days to show you

 

He is the big baldy guy that looks like "Uncle Fester", when we met at 18 John was 11 stone and had a flock of long blonde hair!!! ha ha

 

Hope you like.

 

 

That is John playing in a "groove"

 

Here is another different track to show more of his technical ability with a different band

 

 

Still keeps a good groove though

 

Steve

 

That's nice. I like it. :)

 

How can we help Segue, Eagle?

 

He was so desperate and down when I first came here but lately he has got so much better and more happy but in the last few days he seems to be struggling again.

 

Not really much we can do apart from offering advice and support I suppose :finbar: :finbar:

 

I do not think there is anyone here on this forum that has not been through awful stuff in their life. But I suppose oldies like me can just try to help from the experiences we have been through. I am a desperately lonely person since my GF and I split up but I have come to terms with it and have my mum and have saved enough over the years not to have to work.

 

Anyway sorry to bore you Eagle

 

Steve

 

 

What are you talking about? You're still a young whippersnapper.

 

Thing is Eagle it is all relative you know.

 

My mum is 70 and she still looks great. Not an old lady, a very stylish woman that looks and dresses like a classy 40 year old.

 

I am a short arse by modern standards 5 foot 9 but I am still 3 inches taller than Tom Cruise.

 

I am 51 but still 2 years younger than Jon Bon Jovi

 

I am ugly but Brad Pitt..... oh hang on that's not going to work.

 

Put it this way, Kim Catrall is about 60 and she is still SMOKING HOT!!!!!

 

60 is the new 40 you know? We are all living longer and looking better.

 

Stevie

[EagleMoon]

Most bass players I know could not care less about chops. They like the groove and the ability to lock in with the drummer.

As a guitarist, this type of bass player is great to play/jam with.

It can be difficult to jam with a bass player that is too 'busy'.

 

That's one of the things that makes bass more difficult to learn than it appears. Knowing what to play, and when.

 

Eagle you are so right.

 

One of my best friends John is a very in demand player around the North East band circuit these days. We played together from when we were 18 years old in about 1984 (god that was so long ago). One of the things that drew us together at the start was our love for all musical genres when our friends and peers and the Newcastle scene in the 80's was primarily about Metal and Rock. John can play all of the fast technical stuff but he is primarily a "groove" player as he started off on the drums.

 

I hope you don't mind me sending a link to one of the many bands he works with these days to show you

 

He is the big baldy guy that looks like "Uncle Fester", when we met at 18 John was 11 stone and had a flock of long blonde hair!!! ha ha

 

Hope you like.

 

 

That is John playing in a "groove"

 

Here is another different track to show more of his technical ability with a different band

 

 

Still keeps a good groove though

 

Steve

 

That's nice. I like it. :)

 

How can we help Segue, Eagle?

 

He was so desperate and down when I first came here but lately he has got so much better and more happy but in the last few days he seems to be struggling again.

 

Not really much we can do apart from offering advice and support I suppose :finbar: :finbar:

 

I do not think there is anyone here on this forum that has not been through awful stuff in their life. But I suppose oldies like me can just try to help from the experiences we have been through. I am a desperately lonely person since my GF and I split up but I have come to terms with it and have my mum and have saved enough over the years not to have to work.

 

Anyway sorry to bore you Eagle

 

Steve

 

 

What are you talking about? You're still a young whippersnapper.

 

Thing is Eagle it is all relative you know.

 

My mum is 70 and she still looks great. Not an old lady, a very stylish woman that looks and dresses like a classy 40 year old.

 

I am a short arse by modern standards 5 foot 9 but I am still 3 inches taller than Tom Cruise.

 

I am 51 but still 2 years younger than Jon Bon Jovi

 

I am ugly but Brad Pitt..... oh hang on that's not going to work.

 

Put it this way, Kim Catrall is about 60 and she is still SMOKING HOT!!!!!

 

60 is the new 40 you know? We are all living longer and looking better.

 

Stevie

 

In general I agree with you. Better nutrition and health care has extended people's lives and made them better but I think most of Hollywood is kept going by Botox and facelifts.