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Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

 

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Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

 

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!

 

Not according to 84% of the people who've voted.

 

Yeah. I Saw that.

Then what're you talking about with your "So many people are hating on Victor"?!!

 

Read the thread. People are saying "It Is Shit"

How many are saying that? And how many are saying positive things?

 

At least 5 people

ONE person said "it is shit". ONE person said "it stinks". You're not so hot at counting. Now don't interrupt me, I'm midway through bashing my brains in with this cast iron skillet

 

So?

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I think one has to view the albums within the context of when they were released. Victor was more an experiment, a way for Al to do a few things he hadn't been able to do in Rush; I never thought of it as his attempt at a proper stand-alone solo album, but rather him just having some fun in-between Rush projects. Al was not thinking long term solo career.

Ged released MFH under the very real possibility that it would be the beginning of a reluctant solo career, since at the time it seemed Rush was done and over. So he was putting the same care and effort into it that he would a Rush album.

Interestingly, I think what Alex did on Victor did find its way into the DNA of Rush on Vapor Trails; and MFH seemed to inform Snakes and Arrows, while CA is almost a blending of the two. In that respect they were both important to what Rush would do on their future albums.

yeah i recall when album released thinking this is Al just p*ssing about experimenting a bit but, there's no two ways about it man, is just a sh*t album. failure simply cannot be excused for whatever reason, no doubt Al wanted to produce best solo effort he could as the committed professional he was and the simple fact is, Victor just doesnt match up in any way to MFH Which is a thoroughly fine artistic piece of work. both guys will have spent ample time working on their solo projects, one was a virtual waste of energy and the other was an exceptional album, it's ok to say that. the man is the most imaginative rock guitarist there'll ever be, but dont make excuses for his failures. Victor is sh*t :)

 

I wasn't arguing the artistic superiority of Victor over MFH, I was simply trying to view it through the correct lens. MFH is definitely the better album. But I still stand by the belief that Victor bled into the shaping of VT's overall sound.

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I prefer my 17-minute edit of Victor- virtually no singing, just the main riffs and leads. It's very listenable. On the other hand, My Favorite Headache is a pleasure to listen to from start to finish. I had some of those songs stuck in my head when it first came out.
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Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

 

:no:

Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

 

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!

 

I'm glad you feel that way but if you don't want to hear other opinions (most of which are not "hating", btw) then don't start a thread asking people to choose between them.

 

I want to hear people's opinions, but I am getting mad that people are hating on my favorite solo album(Victor).

 

Your favorite solo album? That's quite telling.

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Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

 

:no:

Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

 

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!

 

I'm glad you feel that way but if you don't want to hear other opinions (most of which are not "hating", btw) then don't start a thread asking people to choose between them.

 

I want to hear people's opinions, but I am getting mad that people are hating on my favorite solo album(Victor).

 

Your favorite solo album? That's quite telling.

 

Yes it is.

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I thought polls like this were supposed to be in Feedback?

 

Yep. Moved, even though there's a 99.9% chance this poll was already done.

 

Who cares if it was done before. Even if it was, It would be a old topic and I do not like bringing those back.

 

Depends on how recently it was done. Since you posted this in the wrong forum you probably didn't look in here to see if the topic existed. If this topic were posted only a few months ago, then it wouldn't be an old topic now, would it?

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I thought polls like this were supposed to be in Feedback?

 

Yep. Moved, even though there's a 99.9% chance this poll was already done.

 

Who cares if it was done before. Even if it was, It would be a old topic and I do not like bringing those back.

 

Depends on how recently it was done. Since you posted this in the wrong forum you probably didn't look in here to see if the topic existed. If this topic were posted only a few months ago, then it wouldn't be an old topic now, would it?

 

Sorry about that.

 

I did not look.

 

It would not be an old topic.

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I'll vote tomorrow, after I listen to Victor again

 

I listened to My Favorite Headache earlier today, and it was a chore

 

I'm moving to Bohemia

Taking you along

Say goodbye to suburbia

You don't have to cut the lawn

 

I have repeatedly professed my love for Geddy here, but seriously, MFH sucks ..

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Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

 

:no:

Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

 

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!

 

Not according to 84% of the people who've voted.

 

Yeah. I Saw that.

Then what're you talking about with your "So many people are hating on Victor"?!!

 

Read the thread. People are saying "It Is Shit"

How many are saying that? And how many are saying positive things?

 

At least 5 people

ONE person said "it is shit". ONE person said "it stinks". You're not so hot at counting. Now don't interrupt me, I'm midway through bashing my brains in with this cast iron skillet

 

So?

Ok, I understand now...

 

ONE = at least 5 = so many.

 

Thank you.

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Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

 

:no:

Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

 

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!

 

Not according to 84% of the people who've voted.

 

Yeah. I Saw that.

Then what're you talking about with your "So many people are hating on Victor"?!!

 

Read the thread. People are saying "It Is Shit"

How many are saying that? And how many are saying positive things?

 

At least 5 people

ONE person said "it is shit". ONE person said "it stinks". You're not so hot at counting. Now don't interrupt me, I'm midway through bashing my brains in with this cast iron skillet

 

So?

Ok, I understand now...

 

ONE = at least 5 = so many.

 

Thank you.

 

What?

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I find MFH to be bland, mediocre and uninspired and completely safe....he doesn't actually do anything "wrong" in the album, but by God it's a snoozefest.

 

Victor on the other hand, despite having some catastrophically bad bits, has way more peaks and troughs than MFH, with plenty of risk taking and humour.

 

For that reason I think it pisses all over MFH from a great height.

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Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

 

:no:

Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

 

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!

 

Not according to 84% of the people who've voted.

 

Yeah. I Saw that.

Then what're you talking about with your "So many people are hating on Victor"?!!

 

Read the thread. People are saying "It Is Shit"

How many are saying that? And how many are saying positive things?

 

At least 5 people

ONE person said "it is shit". ONE person said "it stinks". You're not so hot at counting. Now don't interrupt me, I'm midway through bashing my brains in with this cast iron skillet

 

So?

Ok, I understand now...

 

ONE = at least 5 = so many.

 

Thank you.

 

What?

 

Exactly.

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my favorite headache is better, because the theme of victor is sickening. i do not want an album about a guy with mental issues killing his wife. i do have a few songs off victor, just not the really bad ones.
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I find MFH to be bland, mediocre and uninspired and completely safe....he doesn't actually do anything "wrong" in the album, but by God it's a snoozefest.

 

Victor on the other hand, despite having some catastrophically bad bits, has way more peaks and troughs than MFH, with plenty of risk taking and humour.

 

For that reason I think it pisses all over MFH from a great height.

 

Totally agree with this. Victor is hit and miss but has loads of character. Also dare I say, the singles on Victor are much better songs, songwriting being better on victor. Though when it misses, it does so loads.

 

MFH meanders, and is a bit staid for me.

 

I do wonder why MFH is everyone's favourite over Victor. Many will have their individual take, but for me, its because mfh has the most recognisable sound of Rush - it has mr Lee singing.

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Headache easily. It's just much more listenable with better songs and much more melody. Victor is a disappointment for me, not much good playing, no good songs. Seems like Alex is lost without Geddy and cannot find a good tune without him or even a good solo. He couldn't even find a good singer.

 

:no:

Why make a thread like this if you don't want to hear other people's opinions?

 

So many people are hating on Victor!! It is one of the best albums ever!!

 

I'm glad you feel that way but if you don't want to hear other opinions (most of which are not "hating", btw) then don't start a thread asking people to choose between them.

 

I want to hear people's opinions, but I am getting mad that people are hating on my favorite solo album(Victor).

 

Your favorite solo album? That's quite telling.

 

Yes it is.

 

I love it a lot, even though I know what Victor is about.

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I find MFH to be bland, mediocre and uninspired and completely safe....he doesn't actually do anything "wrong" in the album, but by God it's a snoozefest.

 

Victor on the other hand, despite having some catastrophically bad bits, has way more peaks and troughs than MFH, with plenty of risk taking and humour.

 

For that reason I think it pisses all over MFH from a great height.

 

Totally agree with this. Victor is hit and miss but has loads of character. Also dare I say, the singles on Victor are much better songs, songwriting being better on victor. Though when it misses, it does so loads.

 

MFH meanders, and is a bit staid for me.

 

I do wonder why MFH is everyone's favourite over Victor. Many will have their individual take, but for me, its because mfh has the most recognisable sound of Rush - it has mr Lee singing.

 

I considered that argument, because obviously sounding like Rush means there is no moment of 'WTF?!'

 

But I love a lot of bizarre music, and I love all manner of genre. I like conventional Rock as well. But I can be picky within any of those realms.

 

Since I liked the exercises Lifeson engaged in I don't think it's the factor of sounding like Rush I prefer.

 

I really do not like Edwin's match with most of the songs he's on, so that's one reason. It might even be the main reason. But I never thought Geddy had a good voice, so it's not like I needed Geddy. Dalbello didn't work for me either.

 

And then there's the fact that I like MFH better than some Rush albums, and Victor would only be ahead of 'Rush' in my book.

 

Honestly I wish Victor had been instrumental, I might have liked it much more.

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ok, just revisited Victor

 

It's a failure on so many levels . .

 

We have a hugely influential guitarist who emerged from the late 1960s music scene and blazed a trail, over time taking his childhood influences and forging a style all his own in a band that grew into something like no other ..

 

The music on Victor reminds me of the generic, completely forgettable bands that I would see at The Limelight in NYC when I would go on Sunday nights back in the 90s - third rate Red Hot Chili Peppers wannabes with no songwriting chops or creativity ..

 

A guy with Alex's resume and background puts out something so generic is really disappointing ... No wonder I haven't listened to it in decades ..

 

And all the attempts at being avant-garde with spoken passages were probably just the end result of Alex trying to sing and not being able to ..

 

I cannot help think of how good Steve Howe's The Steve Howe Album is, Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte, Jon Anderson's magnificent Olias Of Sunhillow, Rick Wakeman's Six Wives ... heck, even Ace Frehley in 1978 and Andy Taylor in 1987 put out great albums ..

 

Both Geddy and Alex put out failures IMHO

 

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ok, just revisited Victor

 

It's a failure on so many levels . .

 

We have a hugely influential guitarist who emerged from the late 1960s music scene and blazed a trail, over time taking his childhood influences and forging a style all his own in a band that grew into something like no other ..

 

The music on Victor reminds me of the generic, completely forgettable bands that I would see at The Limelight in NYC when I would go on Sunday nights back in the 90s - third rate Red Hot Chili Peppers wannabes with no songwriting chops or creativity ..

 

A guy with Alex's resume and background puts out something so generic is really disappointing ... No wonder I haven't listened to it in decades ..

 

And all the attempts at being avant-garde with spoken passages were probably just the end result of Alex trying to sing and not being able to ..

 

I cannot help think of how good Steve Howe's The Steve Howe Album is, Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte, Jon Anderson's magnificent Olias Of Sunhillow, Rick Wakeman's Six Wives ... heck, even Ace Frehley in 1978 and Andy Taylor in 1987 put out great albums ..

 

Both Geddy and Alex put out failures IMHO

 

.

 

Sorry, I don't think full-on Randy Rhodes or Jaco was the point here.

 

Clearly they made the albums they wanted to make. But, you can blame them for it if you'd like.

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ok, just revisited Victor

 

It's a failure on so many levels . .

 

We have a hugely influential guitarist who emerged from the late 1960s music scene and blazed a trail, over time taking his childhood influences and forging a style all his own in a band that grew into something like no other ..

 

The music on Victor reminds me of the generic, completely forgettable bands that I would see at The Limelight in NYC when I would go on Sunday nights back in the 90s - third rate Red Hot Chili Peppers wannabes with no songwriting chops or creativity ..

 

A guy with Alex's resume and background puts out something so generic is really disappointing ... No wonder I haven't listened to it in decades ..

 

And all the attempts at being avant-garde with spoken passages were probably just the end result of Alex trying to sing and not being able to ..

 

I cannot help think of how good Steve Howe's The Steve Howe Album is, Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte, Jon Anderson's magnificent Olias Of Sunhillow, Rick Wakeman's Six Wives ... heck, even Ace Frehley in 1978 and Andy Taylor in 1987 put out great albums ..

 

Both Geddy and Alex put out failures IMHO

 

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Sorry, I don't think full-on Randy Rhodes or Jaco was the point here.

 

Clearly they made the albums they wanted to make. But, you can blame them for it if you'd like.

 

lol

 

It's Eddie or Jaco btw

 

For two guys who were so creative - consistently creative - these albums were mediocre, if that

 

 

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ok, just revisited Victor

 

It's a failure on so many levels . .

 

We have a hugely influential guitarist who emerged from the late 1960s music scene and blazed a trail, over time taking his childhood influences and forging a style all his own in a band that grew into something like no other ..

 

The music on Victor reminds me of the generic, completely forgettable bands that I would see at The Limelight in NYC when I would go on Sunday nights back in the 90s - third rate Red Hot Chili Peppers wannabes with no songwriting chops or creativity ..

 

A guy with Alex's resume and background puts out something so generic is really disappointing ... No wonder I haven't listened to it in decades ..

 

And all the attempts at being avant-garde with spoken passages were probably just the end result of Alex trying to sing and not being able to ..

 

I cannot help think of how good Steve Howe's The Steve Howe Album is, Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte, Jon Anderson's magnificent Olias Of Sunhillow, Rick Wakeman's Six Wives ... heck, even Ace Frehley in 1978 and Andy Taylor in 1987 put out great albums ..

 

Both Geddy and Alex put out failures IMHO

 

.

 

Sorry, I don't think full-on Randy Rhodes or Jaco was the point here.

 

Clearly they made the albums they wanted to make. But, you can blame them for it if you'd like.

 

lol

 

It's Eddie or Jaco btw

 

For two guys who were so creative - consistently creative - these albums were mediocre, if that

 

I think they both drip with creativity and insight so I'm just going to agree to disagree.

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