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I'm just trying to keep an open mind. Like I've said before, there hasn't been any official announcement from the band itself, but things are looking rather bleak for the future of Rush. I just hope that Geddy and Alex still find a way to make some awesome music together.
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If he's legit then shame on him for being so nasty in his comments. Someone with any kind of connection to the band should know better.

Well, that's one opinion. But my comments reflect the views of many in the organization and they weren't afraid to say it. Right up until the last tour started, Geddy, Alex, and everyone else held out hope that Neil would change his mind once he got out on the road, and agree to extending the tour and including an overseas leg. Imagine their disappointment when Neil flat out said NO. Mind you, this was LONG before Neil told them that it would be his last tour - which didn't happen until AFTER the tour.

 

I'm not saying/disclosing anything that hasn't been said/disclosed already by those on the inside. These guys were hurt and tired of tiptoeing around the facts. Sorry if that bursts the little Rush bubble you felt safe in, but this was not a fairy tale ending, by any means.

 

Just so we're clear, the gripe was NOT about Neil retiring - he deserves that. It was simply about the selfish way he handled it.

 

Sorry but that's BS. Anyone that has read Neil's books knows how he has felt about touring for several decades. It's nothing new and in that sense it's been coming for a lot of years. He didn't even have to do the shows that he did for R40 but at least we got that. Shame on them for assuming when they just should have asked. Doesn't sound like their communication is very good.

Huh? Didn't ask?? He was asked MANY times to just clarify.

 

BUT you, like many other, are missing the point. Once again:

No one was upset about him retiring. It was the way he left everyone up in the air and didn't officially announce it until AFTER the tour, that has people a little miffed.

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Word on the street before the opening Tulsa show was unofficial farewell tour. Neil needed arm twisting to do the R40 tour. Yet people felt up in the air because it wasn't official until after the tour? You people don't read the writing on the wall very well.
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Word on the street before the opening Tulsa show was unofficial farewell tour. Neil needed arm twisting to do the R40 tour. Yet people felt up in the air because it wasn't official until after the tour? You people don't read the writing on the wall very well.

Haha, by "you people", I assume you're referring to everyone in the Rush organization??

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If he's legit then shame on him for being so nasty in his comments. Someone with any kind of connection to the band should know better.

Well, that's one opinion. But my comments reflect the views of many in the organization and they weren't afraid to say it. Right up until the last tour started, Geddy, Alex, and everyone else held out hope that Neil would change his mind once he got out on the road, and agree to extending the tour and including an overseas leg. Imagine their disappointment when Neil flat out said NO. Mind you, this was LONG before Neil told them that it would be his last tour - which didn't happen until AFTER the tour.

 

I'm not saying/disclosing anything that hasn't been said/disclosed already by those on the inside. These guys were hurt and tired of tiptoeing around the facts. Sorry if that bursts the little Rush bubble you felt safe in, but this was not a fairy tale ending, by any means.

 

Just so we're clear, the gripe was NOT about Neil retiring - he deserves that. It was simply about the selfish way he handled it.

 

Sorry but that's BS. Anyone that has read Neil's books knows how he has felt about touring for several decades. It's nothing new and in that sense it's been coming for a lot of years. He didn't even have to do the shows that he did for R40 but at least we got that. Shame on them for assuming when they just should have asked. Doesn't sound like their communication is very good.

Huh? Didn't ask?? He was asked MANY times to just clarify.

 

BUT you, like many other, are missing the point. Once again:

No one was upset about him retiring. It was the way he left everyone up in the air and didn't officially announce it until AFTER the tour, that has people a little miffed.

 

Officially announce? :LOL:

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If he's legit then shame on him for being so nasty in his comments. Someone with any kind of connection to the band should know better.

Well, that's one opinion. But my comments reflect the views of many in the organization and they weren't afraid to say it. Right up until the last tour started, Geddy, Alex, and everyone else held out hope that Neil would change his mind once he got out on the road, and agree to extending the tour and including an overseas leg. Imagine their disappointment when Neil flat out said NO. Mind you, this was LONG before Neil told them that it would be his last tour - which didn't happen until AFTER the tour.

 

I'm not saying/disclosing anything that hasn't been said/disclosed already by those on the inside. These guys were hurt and tired of tiptoeing around the facts. Sorry if that bursts the little Rush bubble you felt safe in, but this was not a fairy tale ending, by any means.

 

Just so we're clear, the gripe was NOT about Neil retiring - he deserves that. It was simply about the selfish way he handled it.

 

Sorry but that's BS. Anyone that has read Neil's books knows how he has felt about touring for several decades. It's nothing new and in that sense it's been coming for a lot of years. He didn't even have to do the shows that he did for R40 but at least we got that. Shame on them for assuming when they just should have asked. Doesn't sound like their communication is very good.

Huh? Didn't ask?? He was asked MANY times to just clarify.

 

BUT you, like many other, are missing the point. Once again:

No one was upset about him retiring. It was the way he left everyone up in the air and didn't officially announce it until AFTER the tour, that has people a little miffed.

 

Officially announce? :LOL:

 

you've got a point, he never did officially announce it!

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If he's legit then shame on him for being so nasty in his comments. Someone with any kind of connection to the band should know better.

Well, that's one opinion. But my comments reflect the views of many in the organization and they weren't afraid to say it. Right up until the last tour started, Geddy, Alex, and everyone else held out hope that Neil would change his mind once he got out on the road, and agree to extending the tour and including an overseas leg. Imagine their disappointment when Neil flat out said NO. Mind you, this was LONG before Neil told them that it would be his last tour - which didn't happen until AFTER the tour.

 

I'm not saying/disclosing anything that hasn't been said/disclosed already by those on the inside. These guys were hurt and tired of tiptoeing around the facts. Sorry if that bursts the little Rush bubble you felt safe in, but this was not a fairy tale ending, by any means.

 

Just so we're clear, the gripe was NOT about Neil retiring - he deserves that. It was simply about the selfish way he handled it.

 

"Held out hope" being a key phrase here. Clearly Geddy was gutted and probably Alex too. I felt bad for them too. But I'm just a fan.

 

Seems like we're finally getting to the bottom of this. Disappointing? Probably. Unexpected? Not really.

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Word on the street before the opening Tulsa show was unofficial farewell tour. Neil needed arm twisting to do the R40 tour. Yet people felt up in the air because it wasn't official until after the tour? You people don't read the writing on the wall very well.

 

Or the writing in the tour announcement itself, it seems.

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Why be negative and not positive about their performance? I know Rush are not perfect. Rush are not machines.

Why be negative or positive when not merited? Why dwell on either?

 

Rush may not be machines but they gained a reputation for being machine like. Especially Neil. They set a certain standard that they (and many of us) hold themselves to. Perhaps "true" Rush fans have followed the band for decades and find it difficult to accept the aging of their rock star heroes. Alex and Neil openly admit to physical difficulty. Certain songs have been left of setlists because Geddy acknowledges that he cannot sing things they way he used to.

 

Real fans know the ins and outs of the music and when details are glossed over or outright changed they are put under a microscope and debated. That is the entire point to being a fan in the first place. Not to merely sit back and love everything without discrimination. I learned how to be discriminating by listening to Rush. It's part and parcel of the Rush fan experience.

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Gonna throw my two cents in here! Ready for the flame throwers too! :ranton: I think the enormous negativity stems from one thing: If the R40 tour was to be the F-I-N-A-L tour than bill it that way, not "last tour of this magnitude" crap! Sure the ticket prices would have gone to the moon, but at

least we would have known on the front end versus seeing Neil do a final bow in LA and saying "Bye Bye forever!" Are you kidding me?? No European leg

to least say thanks to those loyal fans?! Not everyone could afford to fly across the pond. Not fair at all! Not sure how Neil sleeps at night knowing he's pissed off his supposed best buds, Geddy and Alex, and many fans including me (and yes, I saw 7 shows this tour.)

 

Oh, and don't get me started about that he has a young one at home! I can only imagine his pain losing both first wife and daughter within a short time period. I do care what happened, but if he misses her so much, it's time to ditch the motorcycle traveling and stay at home with her!! :rage: Okay, :rantoff: !!!!

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Gonna throw my two cents in here! Ready for the flame throwers too! :ranton: I think the enormous negativity stems from one thing: If the R40 tour was to be the F-I-N-A-L tour than bill it that way, not "last tour of this magnitude" crap! Sure the ticket prices would have gone to the moon, but at

least we would have known on the front end versus seeing Neil do a final bow in LA and saying "Bye Bye forever!" Are you kidding me?? No European leg

to least say thanks to those loyal fans?! Not everyone could afford to fly across the pond. Not fair at all! Not sure how Neil sleeps at night knowing he's pissed off his supposed best buds, Geddy and Alex, and many fans including me (and yes, I saw 7 shows this tour.)

 

Oh, and don't get me started about that he has a young one at home! I can only imagine his pain losing both first wife and daughter within a short time period. I do care what happened, but if he misses her so much, it's time to ditch the motorcycle traveling and stay at home with her!! :rage: Okay, :rantoff: !!!!

 

Yeah yeah, we've heard it all before. Grow up, will ya? ;)

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If he's legit then shame on him for being so nasty in his comments. Someone with any kind of connection to the band should know better.

Well, that's one opinion. But my comments reflect the views of many in the organization and they weren't afraid to say it. Right up until the last tour started, Geddy, Alex, and everyone else held out hope that Neil would change his mind once he got out on the road, and agree to extending the tour and including an overseas leg. Imagine their disappointment when Neil flat out said NO. Mind you, this was LONG before Neil told them that it would be his last tour - which didn't happen until AFTER the tour.

 

I'm not saying/disclosing anything that hasn't been said/disclosed already by those on the inside. These guys were hurt and tired of tiptoeing around the facts. Sorry if that bursts the little Rush bubble you felt safe in, but this was not a fairy tale ending, by any means.

 

Just so we're clear, the gripe was NOT about Neil retiring - he deserves that. It was simply about the selfish way he handled it.

 

"Held out hope" being a key phrase here. Clearly Geddy was gutted and probably Alex too. I felt bad for them too. But I'm just a fan.

 

Seems like we're finally getting to the bottom of this. Disappointing? Probably. Unexpected? Not really.

 

Well....I think that -- reading between the lines -- we got to the bottom of things a few months ago, when Geddy was forced to refute/correct the wording of a six-year-old regarding Neil's retirement. It sounded then and now as though communications aren't the best right now.

 

Still, I think there's more to this that we aren't seeing, and I HOPE in the wake of all the awkward media reports that the band is communicating now. I still predict that we'll get through a relatively quiet 2016, and then Rush will be back in some manner or another in 2017.

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This is exactly what made me stop visiting the forums after a 2 month stint. The constant bashing of any little screw up on the boys part, plus the cynical nature of all the posts coming from fans who were understandably upset that this was the last tour.

 

However given Neils tragedy almost 20 years ago I can't blame him in the least bit for giving up his passion to spend time with his family.

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Based on everything I've read since the announcement of the R40 tour until now, I have a feeling that at the end of the Clockwork Angels tour, the boys had a "gentlemen's" agreement to take a break for x number of years. That break was most likely interrupted by someone's idea to celebrate the 40th anniversary with a tour. One would think that tour would have caused more upheaval in Neil's life than the other two. Given that Neil most likely took some serious convincing to actually participate in R40 (and I've read an early R40 interview that led me to believe that Alex wasn't necessarily on board at first either), I'm not at all surprised with the current "up in the air" status that the band has experienced since then.

 

I think that Neil may have felt a sense of betrayal from Rush management (and possibly the other band members) when the R40 idea came up and he felt the pressure to tour again.

 

I'm still convinced that it's a good sign that nothing official has been announced about the future of the band other than "we'll see". I could see them all get the itch again for recording or touring some day barring any physical ailments.

 

Just trying to make some sense of it all.

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I think that Neil may have felt a sense of betrayal from Rush management (and possibly the other band members) when the R40 idea came up and he felt the pressure to tour again.

He KNEW it was coming - there was no betrayal. Granted, he heard about it in a round about way, but that doesn't excuse his dictating the number of shows and totally dissing the overseas fans in the process.

 

I'm still convinced that it's a good sign that nothing official has been announced about the future of the band other than "we'll see". I could see them all get the itch again for recording or touring some day barring any physical ailments.

Heheheh, so you're convinced of that, huh? Then please allow me to introduce you to the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Lock Ness Monster! :D

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I think that Neil may have felt a sense of betrayal from Rush management (and possibly the other band members) when the R40 idea came up and he felt the pressure to tour again.

He KNEW it was coming - there was no betrayal. Granted, he heard about it in a round about way, but that doesn't excuse his dictating the number of shows and totally dissing the overseas fans in the process.

 

I'm still convinced that it's a good sign that nothing official has been announced about the future of the band other than "we'll see". I could see them all get the itch again for recording or touring some day barring any physical ailments.

Heheheh, so you're convinced of that, huh? Then please allow me to introduce you to the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Lock Ness Monster! :D

So you're saying Neil's never going to want to record again?
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I think that Neil may have felt a sense of betrayal from Rush management (and possibly the other band members) when the R40 idea came up and he felt the pressure to tour again.

He KNEW it was coming - there was no betrayal. Granted, he heard about it in a round about way, but that doesn't excuse his dictating the number of shows and totally dissing the overseas fans in the process.

 

I'm still convinced that it's a good sign that nothing official has been announced about the future of the band other than "we'll see". I could see them all get the itch again for recording or touring some day barring any physical ailments.

Heheheh, so you're convinced of that, huh? Then please allow me to introduce you to the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Lock Ness Monster! :D

So you're saying Neil's never going to want to record again?

Which is likely true. Yet a few years from now when Oliva is older his mind may change. Possibilities are open if the guys are feeling well. If R40 is the end no one should be surprised.

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I think that Neil may have felt a sense of betrayal from Rush management (and possibly the other band members) when the R40 idea came up and he felt the pressure to tour again.

He KNEW it was coming - there was no betrayal. Granted, he heard about it in a round about way, but that doesn't excuse his dictating the number of shows and totally dissing the overseas fans in the process.

 

I'm still convinced that it's a good sign that nothing official has been announced about the future of the band other than "we'll see". I could see them all get the itch again for recording or touring some day barring any physical ailments.

Heheheh, so you're convinced of that, huh? Then please allow me to introduce you to the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Lock Ness Monster! :D

So you're saying Neil's never going to want to record again?

Frankly, I think Neil is finished with the whole "rock star" thing. Going into the studio, he'd probably feel pressured to tour in support of whatever they did, and that will NEVER happen again. So yeah, IMO we HAVE heard the last of Neil as member of Rush.

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Well there was that and getting ditched by forum members at the pre-show meet up due to being high as gas.... But f**k em, I'm back. :D

 

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. You and your friends literally just sat in the car and didn't talk to anyone else.

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