r40 worst live version to point of embarrssing..

[GabesCavesOfIce]

I'm not sure why they didn't just either pick songs that are easier for Geddy to sing; or tweak the vocal melody so that he can sing it (take it down a step or alter it).

 

I've heard bootlegs from the tour and in many instances, Geddy nails it, but on the DVD there are a lot of moments that are borderline cringe-worthy.

 

The band sounds SOOO good on every song, it's kind of a bummer to hear Geddy struggle with the vocals. I would actually be okay with them pulling an Ozzy, and having Geddy go into the studio to sweeten the vocals a bit.

 

They could have pulled the vocals back a bit in the mix. Not much else they could do unless they try to mask it.

 

That's what I meant. I know they want to deliver an "authentic" experience; but it just sounds bad in spots (the same is true of the Clockwork Angels DVD). What would the harm be in making it sound better. I get the whole integrity thingg, but this is same band that list Alex as "backing vocals" even though it's obvious, he's not the voice you hear.

 

Authentic? I think it was time to give up that hope decades ago. Seeing R40 one has to suspend disbelief with all of GEDDYS background vocals and synths, all performed while neither of them are anywhere pedals or mics.

 

Eagle is spot on about CTTC or TTP. Woulda been nice to have CTTC live once, its a good tune. For that reason, HII was a worthy addition, for the 1/3rd rotation it got this tour it was worth hearing live once in the grand history of Rush.

 

As much as I like Animate, its been done before a few tours, I'd put CTTC in that slot instead and leave that HII thing alone!

 

 

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I don't get the comment about them not being anywhere near pedals for the background synth/vocals. They're always triggered by one of them.

 

He probably means why Alex is pretending to sing into his mic, but the backing vocals are all pre-recorded samples of Geddy, probably triggered by Neil.

 

There are lots of subtle background vocals and synths, especially on the newer material, where G n A are not near the synths nor peds. Definitely could be triggered by Neil, but that dudes got his hands and feet full!

 

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[Geddy's Soul Patch]

I'm not sure why they didn't just either pick songs that are easier for Geddy to sing; or tweak the vocal melody so that he can sing it (take it down a step or alter it).

 

I've heard bootlegs from the tour and in many instances, Geddy nails it, but on the DVD there are a lot of moments that are borderline cringe-worthy.

 

The band sounds SOOO good on every song, it's kind of a bummer to hear Geddy struggle with the vocals. I would actually be okay with them pulling an Ozzy, and having Geddy go into the studio to sweeten the vocals a bit.

 

They could have pulled the vocals back a bit in the mix. Not much else they could do unless they try to mask it.

 

That's what I meant. I know they want to deliver an "authentic" experience; but it just sounds bad in spots (the same is true of the Clockwork Angels DVD). What would the harm be in making it sound better. I get the whole integrity thingg, but this is same band that list Alex as "backing vocals" even though it's obvious, he's not the voice you hear.

 

Authentic? I think it was time to give up that hope decades ago. Seeing R40 one has to suspend disbelief with all of GEDDYS background vocals and synths, all performed while neither of them are anywhere pedals or mics.

 

Eagle is spot on about CTTC or TTP. Woulda been nice to have CTTC live once, its a good tune. For that reason, HII was a worthy addition, for the 1/3rd rotation it got this tour it was worth hearing live once in the grand history of Rush.

 

As much as I like Animate, its been done before a few tours, I'd put CTTC in that slot instead and leave that HII thing alone!

 

 

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I don't get the comment about them not being anywhere near pedals for the background synth/vocals. They're always triggered by one of them.

 

He probably means why Alex is pretending to sing into his mic, but the backing vocals are all pre-recorded samples of Geddy, probably triggered by Neil.

 

There are lots of subtle background vocals and synths, especially on the newer material, where G n A are not near the synths nor peds. Definitely could be triggered by Neil, but that dudes got his hands and feet full!

 

.

Well, if there's a background vocal then Ged's probably singing a lead vocal (in most cases), which would mean he's near his pedal board

[Bhawk2112]

I'm not sure why they didn't just either pick songs that are easier for Geddy to sing; or tweak the vocal melody so that he can sing it (take it down a step or alter it).

 

I've heard bootlegs from the tour and in many instances, Geddy nails it, but on the DVD there are a lot of moments that are borderline cringe-worthy.

 

The band sounds SOOO good on every song, it's kind of a bummer to hear Geddy struggle with the vocals. I would actually be okay with them pulling an Ozzy, and having Geddy go into the studio to sweeten the vocals a bit.

 

They could have pulled the vocals back a bit in the mix. Not much else they could do unless they try to mask it.

 

That's what I meant. I know they want to deliver an "authentic" experience; but it just sounds bad in spots (the same is true of the Clockwork Angels DVD). What would the harm be in making it sound better. I get the whole integrity thingg, but this is same band that list Alex as "backing vocals" even though it's obvious, he's not the voice you hear.

 

Authentic? I think it was time to give up that hope decades ago. Seeing R40 one has to suspend disbelief with all of GEDDYS background vocals and synths, all performed while neither of them are anywhere pedals or mics.

 

Eagle is spot on about CTTC or TTP. Woulda been nice to have CTTC live once, its a good tune. For that reason, HII was a worthy addition, for the 1/3rd rotation it got this tour it was worth hearing live once in the grand history of Rush.

 

As much as I like Animate, its been done before a few tours, I'd put CTTC in that slot instead and leave that HII thing alone!

 

 

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I don't get the comment about them not being anywhere near pedals for the background synth/vocals. They're always triggered by one of them.

 

He probably means why Alex is pretending to sing into his mic, but the backing vocals are all pre-recorded samples of Geddy, probably triggered by Neil.

 

There are lots of subtle background vocals and synths, especially on the newer material, where G n A are not near the synths nor peds. Definitely could be triggered by Neil, but that dudes got his hands and feet full!

 

.

 

Which songs are you speaking of?

[Bhawk2112]

They certainly have streamlined the pedals and triggers and such. Individual notes that used to be played with the feet are now "played" by pressing the pedal once, but that sets off a sequence of several notes.

[bluefox4000]

Having just seen the show. i'd say to me the Anarchist was a surprisingly bad vocal.

 

on the whole he was more on point then the CA DVD.

 

Mick

[krlowe]

Having just watched the show, I certainly think it's a step above CA tour vocally. I certainly enjoyed listening to How It Is except when Ged decides to break into singing a vocal note (that sharp, breaking sound)

[TheAccountant]

How It Is isn't my favorite performance on the DVD, but it had some much needed life that's missing on the studio version

 

Totally agree.

 

I have made my dislike of the original VT well known and made it equally clear that I think the re-mix is much better but still nothing special. So when I saw this song on the set list I was like "ugh - o brother. Guess I will just put up with this and then enjoy the better songs to come". Boy was I surprised!!!! It turned out to be a real joy to listen to (at least for me).

 

Not that its going to change my feelings on the studio versions of VT. Not at all. But now I very much enjoy (and to some extent look forward to) this song on the R40 DVD & CD. Glad the guys decided to play it on the R40 tour.

[Lorraine]

Having just watched the show, I certainly think it's a step above CA tour vocally. I certainly enjoyed listening to How It Is except when Ged decides to break into singing a vocal note (that sharp, breaking sound)

 

I'm listening right now to CA Live and I thought how well he sounded on that tour, and how much his voice deteriorated between the CA tour and R40.

Edited January 23, 2016 by Lorraine

[EagleMoon]

Having just watched the show, I certainly think it's a step above CA tour vocally. I certainly enjoyed listening to How It Is except when Ged decides to break into singing a vocal note (that sharp, breaking sound)

 

I'm listening right now to CA Live and I thought how well he sounded on that tour, and how much his voice deteriorated between the CA tour and R40.

 

Even more so between Snakes and Arrows and Time Machine.

[WorkingAllTheTime]

 

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

 

My take: Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone. They were, in fact, perfect. Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without? Yes, of course. Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences. But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear. For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves. That's hard to do. They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist. They could have played Dreamline... again. They could have done a lot, lot worse.

 

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others. I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs. But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades. Indeed, it was painful at moments, but I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

[EagleMoon]

 

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

 

My take: Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone. They were, in fact, perfect. Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without? Yes, of course. Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences. But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear. For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves. That's hard to do. They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist. They could have played Dreamline... again. They could have done a lot, lot worse.

 

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others. I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs. But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades. Indeed, it was painful at moments, but I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

 

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

[jamie]

Oh no! God forbid his voice ages along with him!

[Lorraine]

 

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

 

My take: Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone. They were, in fact, perfect. Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without? Yes, of course. Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences. But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear. For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves. That's hard to do. They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist. They could have played Dreamline... again. They could have done a lot, lot worse.

 

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others. I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs. But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades. Indeed, it was painful at moments, but I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

 

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

 

Thank you, Eagle. I had a post in response, but I decided: why bother?

 

You said it nicer than I would have anyway.

[EagleMoon]

 

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

 

My take: Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone. They were, in fact, perfect. Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without? Yes, of course. Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences. But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear. For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves. That's hard to do. They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist. They could have played Dreamline... again. They could have done a lot, lot worse.

 

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others. I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs. But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades. Indeed, it was painful at moments, but I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

 

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

 

Thank you, Eagle. I had a post in response, but I decided: why bother?

 

You said it nicer than I would have anyway.

 

I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it.

 

Dumbing down of the world.

Edited January 25, 2016 by EagleMoon

[John V]

IMO, the DVD was great. Then Spotify started playing R-40 and the vocals were not very good.

But when I saw them live, I thought the vocals were very good.

 

I'm not sure if it was getting caught up in the moment or what.

But the DVD was/is fine for me. The CD's, not so much.

[troutman]

Really? What did you expect? He's old and his vocal chords are tired. It's stupid to critisize him under these circumstances and compare him to other singers, while his singing is not in top shape, not because of poor technique, but because of his age.

 

Many of the fans here are dissapointed in Geddy's vocals because of ridiciously high expectations, which is interesting because we all KNOW what Geddy's singing condition these days is. Which is surprisingly new to some people..

 

I did not expect too much of him, therefore I really enjoyed watching both Toronto shows on the tour.

 

Yeah,

 

It's amazing how people rag on him at this point of his life. I can live with his voice no problem. Plus he is still the best kicka** Bass player!! :geddy: :geddy: :geddy:

 

BTW, Don Henley is an idiot.

[grep]

At 48 years old, my voice is tired after running a meeting and talking for 2 hours. I can't even imagine how Geddy carries on singing the way he does, night after night. But the guy does it.

 

I don't care how he sounds,he's there playing (well...was there) playing all those songs I love. It's all good.

[Disk98]

I'm going to put it out there and say that R40 Live is their best since Rio. So what Geddy can't sing quite as well as he could 13+ years ago? Give the man a break. He's 62 and he plays bass at the same time. Edited January 28, 2016 by Disk98

[JBsDWdrums]

And for me a fan since 1980...who has seen every tour live since Signals...some multiple times....I have to say R40 live is my favorite live DVD....it hit me after watching it a few times....anyone can argue over vocals or setlist shit...overall its an amazing DVD....it captures the excitement and senimentality ....the sound quality is great...the playing is f***ing great ( I've heard the old boots from the 70s etc....they made just as many mistakes then....sorry but they did....or changed stuff if you prefer)...playing at this level this good from the original members is pretty goddamn unheard of.....and if you can't appreciate the setlist in full and what they did with this show then you are kinda missing out I think....

[Amps211]

Ged was fine on it IMO ... The song is just blah though

[tomhealey]

Most of the other live Rush DVDs I've watched once and put on the shelf. I've seen R40 front to back three times, and thinking about a fourth this weekend. I think it's my favorite of the authorized releases.

[rocket ignites]

I've enjoyed watching R40 multiple times so far. Unfortunately, I just haven't got around to listening to the CDs other than disc 3 for the extra goodies.

[JBsDWdrums]

I've been listening to the CDs and they are great as well....Botrill really got it right...power and clarity....which in turn makes you appreciate the actual playing....I knew he was the right guy after working with crimson etc....

[Geddy Jazz]

Really? What did you expect? He's old and his vocal chords are tired. It's stupid to critisize him under these circumstances and compare him to other singers, while his singing is not in top shape, not because of poor technique, but because of his age.

 

Many of the fans here are dissapointed in Geddy's vocals because of ridiciously high expectations, which is interesting because we all KNOW what Geddy's singing condition these days is. Which is surprisingly new to some people..

 

I did not expect too much of him, therefore I really enjoyed watching both Toronto shows on the tour.

 

Yeah,

 

It's amazing how people rag on him at this point of his life. I can live with his voice no problem. Plus he is still the best kicka** Bass player!! :geddy: :geddy: :geddy:

 

BTW, Don Henley is an idiot.

I simply can not agree more..... :dweez:

[troutman]

Really? What did you expect? He's old and his vocal chords are tired. It's stupid to critisize him under these circumstances and compare him to other singers, while his singing is not in top shape, not because of poor technique, but because of his age.

 

Many of the fans here are dissapointed in Geddy's vocals because of ridiciously high expectations, which is interesting because we all KNOW what Geddy's singing condition these days is. Which is surprisingly new to some people..

 

I did not expect too much of him, therefore I really enjoyed watching both Toronto shows on the tour.

 

Yeah,

 

It's amazing how people rag on him at this point of his life. I can live with his voice no problem. Plus he is still the best kicka** Bass player!! :geddy: :geddy: :geddy:

 

BTW, Don Henley is an idiot.

I simply can not agree more..... :dweez:

 

Bartender,

 

A drink for the man. :digi: