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I think there is way too much negativity in general on this forum. (Although by stating that, am I being negative? Eeek!) There are certainly a few people here who always find it necessary to chime in with negative comments, which is unfortunate.

 

Let's end this on a positive note: Yay, :rush: !

 

I would agree with that. I don't know why negativity has become so prevalent around here.

 

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Most of us are not being fans correctly is what I gather the op is on about

 

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Not just fans. :cheers:

 

No, that's not what I meant! Why all the negativity? I'm amazed that they can still rock out at their "advanced age".

 

Sorry, but I only see all the positives of their performances during this tour. All you "critics" can disprove me if you can do better than them at the same age!

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I've only seen the clips they've released to YouTube and a couple of phone videos from concerts but I personally think ged sounds great on the videos I've seen, especially in comparison to the CA tour. They are my three favourite musicians and I respect Alex and Neil all the more because of their almost perfect playing if complex songs with their conditions. And Neil for doing it with passion even though he would rather spend time with his family.

 

And BTW I'm probably one of the youngest members here :)

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Most of us are not being fans correctly is what I gather the op is on about

 

TrueRushFans™

 

Not just fans. :cheers:

 

No, that's not what I meant! Why all the negativity? I'm amazed that they can still rock out at their "advanced age".

 

Sorry, but I only see all the positives of their performances during this tour. All you "critics" can disprove me if you can do better than them at the same age!

Are we reading the same forum? I don't know what you're talking about

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I haven't been on here in ages but finally had some free time to spend a lazy Saturday afternoon perusing the Internet and return to this forum.

 

I can't believe the bashing that is going on about Geddy's vocals on the tour and (in particular) the DVD/Blu-ray. I thought people on here were fans. Obviously (I think) the ones that are complaining are too young to understand aging. Yes, I too have noticed that Geddy no longer has that range of his youth, but he still "sounds like" himself! Trust me, I've seen every tour since AFTK and even in the 80's I noticed differences in his range from the 70's songs that were still in rotation. Part of it was growing as a vocalist and the fact that he did start taking vocal lessons and instead of "screaming" parts he was actually singing them!

 

I was at the second Toronto show and Ben Mink and the band doing Losing It for the first time ever live was the pinnacle!

 

Why is nobody focusing on the extremely great musicianship of these 3 in their mid 60's and can pull off some of the most complex compositions that they admit were difficult when they first recorded them (Hemispheres)? They put musicians a third of their age to shame!!!!

 

I thought the people on this forum were true fans (and understanding human beings). I guess I was wrong. I wish I could do the things I could 30-40 years ago but I can't (and, for the older members, I'm sure you can't either). Why do you expect them to do the same? For you younger members, you'll understand when you get to my age (50).

 

Peace out. Rush is still the greatest Rock band in my opinion and I thank them for 40 wonderful years of music. They owe me (or anyone else) NOTHING!

 

Right, so to be "true fans" we aren't allowed to complain about anything.

 

Gimme a f***ing break :facepalm:

 

I'm so happy you are the "first and only perfect" human being that ever existed on Earth.

 

You can trust in his perfection. He's an engineer.

 

His argument that I think I'm the "first and only perfect" human being makes no sense.

 

I love Rush. Most (if not all) of us love Rush. But if someone has a negative opinion of whatever it may be, that's their right. It doesn't make them any less of a fan.

 

Why be negative and not positive about their performance? I know Rush are not perfect. Rush are not machines.

 

During the tour MC, most TRF members were surprisingly positive about GEDDYS singing during R40, as it was an improvement from his singing on the CA tour.

 

I think since their final tour ended the fan base is intwo different camps, both a bit angry. One, the fans that are unhappy at Neils solo abrupt decision to retire, and second, those that will be loyal to Neil no matter what, and bottle up their frustrations by not admitting they are not happy with the end. Sad that the once positive consensus during the tour and periscope parties has faded.

 

 

 

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I haven't been on here in ages but finally had some free time to spend a lazy Saturday afternoon perusing the Internet and return to this forum.

 

I can't believe the bashing that is going on about Geddy's vocals on the tour and (in particular) the DVD/Blu-ray. I thought people on here were fans. Obviously (I think) the ones that are complaining are too young to understand aging. Yes, I too have noticed that Geddy no longer has that range of his youth, but he still "sounds like" himself! Trust me, I've seen every tour since AFTK and even in the 80's I noticed differences in his range from the 70's songs that were still in rotation. Part of it was growing as a vocalist and the fact that he did start taking vocal lessons and instead of "screaming" parts he was actually singing them!

 

I was at the second Toronto show and Ben Mink and the band doing Losing It for the first time ever live was the pinnacle!

 

Why is nobody focusing on the extremely great musicianship of these 3 in their mid 60's and can pull off some of the most complex compositions that they admit were difficult when they first recorded them (Hemispheres)? They put musicians a third of their age to shame!!!!

 

I thought the people on this forum were true fans (and understanding human beings). I guess I was wrong. I wish I could do the things I could 30-40 years ago but I can't (and, for the older members, I'm sure you can't either). Why do you expect them to do the same? For you younger members, you'll understand when you get to my age (50).

 

Peace out. Rush is still the greatest Rock band in my opinion and I thank them for 40 wonderful years of music. They owe me (or anyone else) NOTHING!

 

Right, so to be "true fans" we aren't allowed to complain about anything.

 

Gimme a f***ing break :facepalm:

 

I'm so happy you are the "first and only perfect" human being that ever existed on Earth.

 

You can trust in his perfection. He's an engineer.

 

His argument that I think I'm the "first and only perfect" human being makes no sense.

 

I love Rush. Most (if not all) of us love Rush. But if someone has a negative opinion of whatever it may be, that's their right. It doesn't make them any less of a fan.

 

Why be negative and not positive about their performance? I know Rush are not perfect. Rush are not machines.

 

During the tour MC, most TRF members were surprisingly positive about GEDDYS singing during R40, as it was an improvement from his singing on the CA tour.

 

I think since their final tour ended the fan base is intwo different camps, both a bit angry. One, the fans that are unhappy at Neils solo abrupt decision to retire, and second, those that will be loyal to Neil no matter what, and bottle up their frustrations by not admitting they are not happy with the end. Sad that the once positive consensus during the tour and periscope parties has faded.

 

 

 

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Yeah I think this has a lot to do with it. Some of the negativity is like the anger someone might feel after a death in the family.

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While I don't think there needed to be a whole new thread created about this, Mindcore, I do agree with you.

 

Many people on here are so critical of Geddy's voice because it doesn't sound like what it did in 1978. Give me a break. People age. Now, am I saying you have to love everything Rush has ever done? No. But if you're complaining about Geddy's voice on every thread you get the chance, do us all a favor and please shut up.

 

And while I have the opportunity, let me just point out that if you don't like anything Rush has done since 1982, you're not a true fan. The reason I'm saying this is because I'm noticing that those are the people who are complaining about Geddy's voice the most. That's fine, go listen to All the World's a Stage (their worst live album, by the way) and kindly leave us true fans to appreciate how good Geddy sounds for a man his age.

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I haven't been on here in ages but finally had some free time to spend a lazy Saturday afternoon perusing the Internet and return to this forum.

 

I can't believe the bashing that is going on about Geddy's vocals on the tour and (in particular) the DVD/Blu-ray. I thought people on here were fans. Obviously (I think) the ones that are complaining are too young to understand aging. Yes, I too have noticed that Geddy no longer has that range of his youth, but he still "sounds like" himself! Trust me, I've seen every tour since AFTK and even in the 80's I noticed differences in his range from the 70's songs that were still in rotation. Part of it was growing as a vocalist and the fact that he did start taking vocal lessons and instead of "screaming" parts he was actually singing them!

 

I was at the second Toronto show and Ben Mink and the band doing Losing It for the first time ever live was the pinnacle!

 

Why is nobody focusing on the extremely great musicianship of these 3 in their mid 60's and can pull off some of the most complex compositions that they admit were difficult when they first recorded them (Hemispheres)? They put musicians a third of their age to shame!!!!

 

I thought the people on this forum were true fans (and understanding human beings). I guess I was wrong. I wish I could do the things I could 30-40 years ago but I can't (and, for the older members, I'm sure you can't either). Why do you expect them to do the same? For you younger members, you'll understand when you get to my age (50).

 

Peace out. Rush is still the greatest Rock band in my opinion and I thank them for 40 wonderful years of music. They owe me (or anyone else) NOTHING!

 

Right, so to be "true fans" we aren't allowed to complain about anything.

 

Gimme a f***ing break :facepalm:

 

I'm so happy you are the "first and only perfect" human being that ever existed on Earth.

 

You can trust in his perfection. He's an engineer.

His perfection is hypothetical.
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Most of us are not being fans correctly is what I gather the op is on about

 

TrueRushFans™

 

Not just fans. :cheers:

 

No, that's not what I meant! Why all the negativity? I'm amazed that they can still rock out at their "advanced age".

 

Sorry, but I only see all the positives of their performances during this tour. All you "critics" can disprove me if you can do better than them at the same age!

I'm with you. R40 is about them still having chops, phenomenal chops. The fact that he's singing at all is amazing.
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Most of us are not being fans correctly is what I gather the op is on about

 

TrueRushFans™

 

Not just fans. :cheers:

 

No, that's not what I meant! Why all the negativity? I'm amazed that they can still rock out at their "advanced age".

 

Sorry, but I only see all the positives of their performances during this tour. All you "critics" can disprove me if you can do better than them at the same age!

I'm with you. R40 is about them still having chops, phenomenal chops. The fact that he's singing at all is amazing.

 

Especially as much touring as they've done over the years. They used to do shows every day, not all this skipping days business. All the screaming especially in the 70's couldn't have been a good thing for his vocal cords.

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Most of us are not being fans correctly is what I gather the op is on about

 

TrueRushFans™

 

Not just fans. :cheers:

 

No, that's not what I meant! Why all the negativity? I'm amazed that they can still rock out at their "advanced age".

 

Sorry, but I only see all the positives of their performances during this tour. All you "critics" can disprove me if you can do better than them at the same age!

I'm with you. R40 is about them still having chops, phenomenal chops. The fact that he's singing at all is amazing.

 

Especially as much touring as they've done over the years. They used to do shows every day, not all this skipping days business. All the screaming especially in the 70's couldn't have been a good thing for his vocal cords.

 

What I find fascinating in all of this is there seems to be two camps of negativity..... the first is a camp around the fact the touring as we know it is done.... the second camp is around the fact they continue to tour and the vocals are not up to the past....

 

Really? Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 

I am actually a bit surprised Neil is the only one wanting to hang it up if they are going to get hit from both directions.

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Fans are allowed to be observant and even critical. Sure, there are a few people here who love shitting on the band members for various reasons, but most of what's said that isn't pure smoke blowing up anal pore type stuff is honest critique.

 

You're asking us to be freakin Moonies. Can't do it.

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Most of us are not being fans correctly is what I gather the op is on about

 

TrueRushFans™

 

Not just fans. :cheers:

 

No, that's not what I meant! Why all the negativity? I'm amazed that they can still rock out at their "advanced age".

 

Sorry, but I only see all the positives of their performances during this tour. All you "critics" can disprove me if you can do better than them at the same age!

I'm with you. R40 is about them still having chops, phenomenal chops. The fact that he's singing at all is amazing.

 

Especially as much touring as they've done over the years. They used to do shows every day, not all this skipping days business. All the screaming especially in the 70's couldn't have been a good thing for his vocal cords.

 

What I find fascinating in all of this is there seems to be two camps of negativity..... the first is a camp around the fact the touring as we know it is done.... the second camp is around the fact they continue to tour and the vocals are not up to the past....

 

Really? Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 

I am actually a bit surprised Neil is the only one wanting to hang it up if they are going to get hit from both directions.

 

Hit from whom? Us? I doubt they decide anything based on what we want or don't want.

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I always use Spotify while doing homework and because most of the songs it chooses are from the Clockwork Angels tour (their shuffle system isn't very good), I've grown to not really mind his voice then, despite it having been as bad as it was. I understand they're all aging, and hey, I don't even care, they're still legends! Not all of us younger folk are oblivious, I just hope those who don't understand consider how hard it can be to be doing this for 40 years.
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While I somewhat share op's annoyance at some people *continually* complaining about Geddy's singing, I also in general don't care to read complaining about "complaining".

 

Yes we're all supposedly Rush fans, but that doesn't mean we should all believe that every song, album, performance, etc. by Rush is flawless OR that we should only post opinions about the songs, albums, performances, etc, that we like. Frankly, I'd find that to be a rather boring board to read. People should feel free to post contrasting opinions without being labeled "bashers" *as long as* they do so without disrespecting any other poster.

 

EVERY music/band forum has its share of what some would broadly label "negativity". That's life on the internet. This place is by far more civil and respectful than most forums I've looked at, which is why I end up spending most of my time here. :)

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I haven't been on here in ages but finally had some free time to spend a lazy Saturday afternoon perusing the Internet and return to this forum.

 

I can't believe the bashing that is going on about Geddy's vocals on the tour and (in particular) the DVD/Blu-ray. I thought people on here were fans. Obviously (I think) the ones that are complaining are too young to understand aging. Yes, I too have noticed that Geddy no longer has that range of his youth, but he still "sounds like" himself! Trust me, I've seen every tour since AFTK and even in the 80's I noticed differences in his range from the 70's songs that were still in rotation. Part of it was growing as a vocalist and the fact that he did start taking vocal lessons and instead of "screaming" parts he was actually singing them!

 

I was at the second Toronto show and Ben Mink and the band doing Losing It for the first time ever live was the pinnacle!

 

Why is nobody focusing on the extremely great musicianship of these 3 in their mid 60's and can pull off some of the most complex compositions that they admit were difficult when they first recorded them (Hemispheres)? They put musicians a third of their age to shame!!!!

 

I thought the people on this forum were true fans (and understanding human beings). I guess I was wrong. I wish I could do the things I could 30-40 years ago but I can't (and, for the older members, I'm sure you can't either). Why do you expect them to do the same? For you younger members, you'll understand when you get to my age (50).

 

Peace out. Rush is still the greatest Rock band in my opinion and I thank them for 40 wonderful years of music. They owe me (or anyone else) NOTHING!

 

Right, so to be "true fans" we aren't allowed to complain about anything.

 

Gimme a f***ing break :facepalm:

 

I'm so happy you are the "first and only perfect" human being that ever existed on Earth.

 

You just made baby Jesus cry.

 

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Don't like the sound on the blu ray. Why can't they have it sound as good as the last two dream theater live shows. Can hear each instrument loud and clear. Mike M drums sound great. Neil's drums you can barely hear them. To much crowd mixed in.
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Most of us are not being fans correctly is what I gather the op is on about

 

TrueRushFans™

 

Not just fans. :cheers:

 

No, that's not what I meant! Why all the negativity? I'm amazed that they can still rock out at their "advanced age".

 

Sorry, but I only see all the positives of their performances during this tour. All you "critics" can disprove me if you can do better than them at the same age!

I'm with you. R40 is about them still having chops, phenomenal chops. The fact that he's singing at all is amazing.

 

Especially as much touring as they've done over the years. They used to do shows every day, not all this skipping days business. All the screaming especially in the 70's couldn't have been a good thing for his vocal cords.

 

What I find fascinating in all of this is there seems to be two camps of negativity..... the first is a camp around the fact the touring as we know it is done.... the second camp is around the fact they continue to tour and the vocals are not up to the past....

 

Really? Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 

I am actually a bit surprised Neil is the only one wanting to hang it up if they are going to get hit from both directions.

 

Hit from whom? Us? I doubt they decide anything based on what we want or don't want.

 

I think the R40 setlist was a lot of what the fans wanted (Losing It, Jacob's Ladder, Xanadu, etc). People behind the scenes were doing their homework.

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if everybody was only positive about this new live recording, it would make a boring topic. Talking about Rush, it's like a good movie, you need to have some ugly things, tragic scenes to be entertaining. I personally think that most people comments are right because we asked a lot about our favorite band as long as you back up your comments with solid arguments and don't pretend to hold the whole truth. When you see all perspectives from different viewers, it could help you make your own judgment. Someone talk about Alex's guitar sound being low in the mix, i think it's right, but i personally enjoy the high bass sound audio mix, but i would have prefer to hear more Neil's drums. Overall the Blu-Ray has a good sound, better than CA, which i think most people agree on this.
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I wouldve loved the R40 tour much better if:

 

1: They didn't skip albums. At least one song from ALL of them, no ignoring albums. I don't care if you played a bunch from Power Windows last time around, that's your problem not ours (lol)

 

2: Geddy only played the basses associated with the songs. Like Fender Jazz for all the post-Counterparts material, Wal bass for the PW-RTB songs, Rickenbacker for all the rest. I thought him playing a different increasingly uglier bass for every song was unneccessary and a little self-indulgant.

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Come on, I was happy as a school kid getting that first tittie feel when they played some of Lakeside Park but don't tell me you didn't clinch your teeth just a little at the vocals...
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