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Rush is not like other bands.

 

Rush cannot be compared to other bands.

 

 

Oh ffs, of course they are and of course they can....good as they were, they're not some kind of musical Holy Grail.

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most people would not know the difference with an exceptional enough drummer. I have no idea who that could/would be but I am sure there is someone out there that can do the job as well maybe better. Edited by himey
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most people would not know the difference with an exceptional enough drummer. I have no idea who that could/would be but I am sure there is someone out there that can do the job as well maybe better.

 

In '02 at Mohegan Sun, I was in the front row of the upper bowl directly above the soundboard. There was an air drummer sitting completely by himself in the open area directly behind the board. Head down, not watching the show, drumming like there was no tomorrow. i started listening specifically to the drums while watching this guy for about 5 minutes of Secret Touch. He nailed it. Geddy and Alex need to find that guy...

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most people would not know the difference with an exceptional enough drummer. I have no idea who that could/would be but I am sure there is someone out there that can do the job as well maybe better.

 

In '02 at Mohegan Sun, I was in the front row of the upper bowl directly above the soundboard. There was an air drummer sitting completely by himself in the open area directly behind the board. Head down, not watching the show, drumming like there was no tomorrow. i started listening specifically to the drums while watching this guy for about 5 minutes of Secret Touch. He nailed it. Geddy and Alex need to find that guy...

 

It's his money I suppose, but doesn't seem a great way to enjoy a concert to me.....

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most people would not know the difference with an exceptional enough drummer. I have no idea who that could/would be but I am sure there is someone out there that can do the job as well maybe better.

 

In '02 at Mohegan Sun, I was in the front row of the upper bowl directly above the soundboard. There was an air drummer sitting completely by himself in the open area directly behind the board. Head down, not watching the show, drumming like there was no tomorrow. i started listening specifically to the drums while watching this guy for about 5 minutes of Secret Touch. He nailed it. Geddy and Alex need to find that guy...

 

It's his money I suppose, but doesn't seem a great way to enjoy a concert to me.....

 

Me either, but drummers tend to be on a different level when it comes to geeking out. The only non-drummer I've seen that comes close is a bassist on the CP site who has a model of every bass Geddy has used over the years, including a Ricky double neck.

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The Bible---evidence God exists

 

The Koran-----evidence Allah exists

 

Mr Tickle-----evidence Mr Tickle exists

 

Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true.

 

er....none of those books are evidence those things exist.

 

when I say there won't be any Rush without Neil....it's true. you can bet your mortgage on it. :)

 

Because it's not true because I'm saying it...it's true beyond what you or I say.

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Rush is not like other bands.

 

Rush cannot be compared to other bands.

 

 

Oh ffs, of course they are and of course they can....good as they were, they're not some kind of musical Holy Grail.

 

LOL, mkay, Now we know how much you really understand Rush. Thanks for clearing that up, laddie. :hi:

 

There is no other band even remotely similar to Rush. Consequently, there are thousands of bands like Zeppelin, Halen, or even Rick Springfield.

 

The uniqueness is the thing. That's why they're all irreplaceable, and that's why they'll never play without each other.

 

Bank on it. Talk all you want, but in the end, one of us is right and one of us is wrong.

 

I wonder what history will prove. LOL. Talk to me again in 20 years and let me know how that worked out for ya.

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The uniqueness is the thing. That's why they're all irreplaceable, and that's why they'll never play without each other.

 

Their music is definitely unique. It can't be described in terms of any other band. Other bands' sounds have been compared to that of Rush, but Rush's sound has never been compared to anyone else's. It is truly one of a kind.

 

But the band is not unique in terms of their closeness and commitment to each other. Led Zeppelin disbanded because they couldn't go on without John Bonham. Such bands are rare, but Rush is not the only one.

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I bet I could tell. If you played me a live track of an existing Rush song, with a different (and very good) drummer, you might trick me, but something new? It would definitely sound different.

 

That's not the point...of course there would be differences, but that's not a problem, as long as he/she fitted in.

The Who have been without Moon for almost 40 years and they haven't come close to sounding the same.

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Rush is not like other bands.

 

Rush cannot be compared to other bands.

 

 

Oh ffs, of course they are and of course they can....good as they were, they're not some kind of musical Holy Grail.

 

LOL, mkay, Now we know how much you really understand Rush. Thanks for clearing that up, laddie. :hi:

 

There is no other band even remotely similar to Rush. Consequently, there are thousands of bands like Zeppelin, Halen, or even Rick Springfield.

 

The uniqueness is the thing. That's why they're all irreplaceable, and that's why they'll never play without each other.

 

Bank on it. Talk all you want, but in the end, one of us is right and one of us is wrong.

 

I wonder what history will prove. LOL. Talk to me again in 20 years and let me know how that worked out for ya.

 

The laughable thing about this post is that I never once actually said they WOULD play with another drummer, only that they COULD if they chose.........

 

Therefore there is no way to prove who is right and who is wrong, and you are the one turning it into a contest.

 

And by the way, calling me "laddie" is just condescending and faintly insulting, two things I haven't inflicted on you...you are really getting too personal with this you know...it's just a bit of idle chat and banter about a rock band, who are not nearly as "unique" as you think.

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Their music is definitely unique. It can't be described in terms of any other band. Other bands' sounds have been compared to that of Rush, but Rush's sound has never been compared to anyone else's. It is truly one of a kind.

 

Oh come on now.....

 

Rush have always been massively influenced by other musicians/acts.

 

In the first few albums the influence of Led Zep and The Who is obvious, and Alex very much sounds like Jimmy Page junior when soloing, right down to the slightly sloppy technique Page used.

 

Fast forward to late 70s and Alex in particular is now being heavily influenced by the likes of Holdsworth etc. right down to using a strat and fitting a humbucker in the bridge and using the trem to slide and scoop into notes.

 

into the 80s and the Police/Simple Minds/U2 influences are very much in the forefront. Also a lot of new wave stuff coming through in PW and HYF

 

I must admit that after then I'm not so concerned, but the likes of CP and T4E clearly owe more than a nod and a wink to Grunge/alternative acts.

 

I'm not saying they didn't create their own sound and I am certainly not saying they are not original, but they are nowhere near as unique as some people would have us believe.

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Their music is definitely unique. It can't be described in terms of any other band. Other bands' sounds have been compared to that of Rush, but Rush's sound has never been compared to anyone else's. It is truly one of a kind.

 

Oh come on now.....

 

Rush have always been massively influenced by other musicians/acts.

 

In the first few albums the influence of Led Zep and The Who is obvious, and Alex very much sounds like Jimmy Page junior when soloing, right down to the slightly sloppy technique Page used.

 

Fast forward to late 70s and Alex in particular is now being heavily influenced by the likes of Holdsworth etc. right down to using a strat and fitting a humbucker in the bridge and using the trem to slide and scoop into notes.

 

into the 80s and the Police/Simple Minds/U2 influences are very much in the forefront. Also a lot of new wave stuff coming through in PW and HYF

 

I must admit that after then I'm not so concerned, but the likes of CP and T4E clearly owe more than a nod and a wink to Grunge/alternative acts.

 

I'm not saying they didn't create their own sound and I am certainly not saying they are not original, but they are nowhere near as unique as some people would have us believe.

 

I agree that their sound has been influenced by many different bands that the guys have liked over the years. You can hear little bits of different bands' sounds in many Rush songs.

 

My point is that when discussing Rush, no one says, "Oh, they're like [insert band here]." You just can't do it. Rush? Well, they sound like Rush. To me, that makes them unique.

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Rush is not like other bands.

 

Rush cannot be compared to other bands.

 

 

Oh ffs, of course they are and of course they can....good as they were, they're not some kind of musical Holy Grail.

 

LOL, mkay, Now we know how much you really understand Rush. Thanks for clearing that up, laddie. :hi:

 

There is no other band even remotely similar to Rush. Consequently, there are thousands of bands like Zeppelin, Halen, or even Rick Springfield.

 

The uniqueness is the thing. That's why they're all irreplaceable, and that's why they'll never play without each other.

 

Bank on it. Talk all you want, but in the end, one of us is right and one of us is wrong.

 

I wonder what history will prove. LOL. Talk to me again in 20 years and let me know how that worked out for ya.

 

The laughable thing about this post is that I never once actually said they WOULD play with another drummer, only that they COULD if they chose.........

 

Therefore there is no way to prove who is right and who is wrong, and you are the one turning it into a contest.

 

And by the way, calling me "laddie" is just condescending and faintly insulting, two things I haven't inflicted on you...you are really getting too personal with this you know...it's just a bit of idle chat and banter about a rock band, who are not nearly as "unique" as you think.

 

Well, I consider myself a fair observer of the music world, and I don't know one. single. band. who remotely comes close to Rush's sound and style.

 

Even hardcore prog folks know that Yes, Floyd, Genesis...all have their own sound.

 

Nobody is in the same boat as Rush. Not one band. 9 times outta 10, you can ask any indie, prog, hard rock or mainstream cover band what's the one band they simply can't cover adequately and it's almost always Rush. Followed closely by Queen.

 

There's just nobody on earth who can sing like Freddie or Geddy.

 

And there's nobody on earth who can rattle a drum fill like Peart.

 

It's all about the tone, man. Not the technique. The SOUL of the thing.

 

It's kinda laughable, having to debate this. You don't think they're that unique. Yet you can't point to one single outfit who's similar. Influences, blah blah blah. Bottom line...there isn't anyone like them. Metallica said it. Grohl said it. Plant said it. Everyone knows it.

 

Except you, apparently.

 

Heck, I'm not personal about it. I just think it implies a lack of simple observation skill. I admit I'm being condescending. But you're one of those board trolls who gets off on stirring the pot. Me, I'm not stirred. Just amused. 'Net bravado is boring.

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Their music is definitely unique. It can't be described in terms of any other band. Other bands' sounds have been compared to that of Rush, but Rush's sound has never been compared to anyone else's. It is truly one of a kind.

 

Oh come on now.....

 

Rush have always been massively influenced by other musicians/acts.

 

In the first few albums the influence of Led Zep and The Who is obvious, and Alex very much sounds like Jimmy Page junior when soloing, right down to the slightly sloppy technique Page used.

 

Fast forward to late 70s and Alex in particular is now being heavily influenced by the likes of Holdsworth etc. right down to using a strat and fitting a humbucker in the bridge and using the trem to slide and scoop into notes.

 

into the 80s and the Police/Simple Minds/U2 influences are very much in the forefront. Also a lot of new wave stuff coming through in PW and HYF

 

I must admit that after then I'm not so concerned, but the likes of CP and T4E clearly owe more than a nod and a wink to Grunge/alternative acts.

 

I'm not saying they didn't create their own sound and I am certainly not saying they are not original, but they are nowhere near as unique as some people would have us believe.

 

I agree that their sound has been influenced by many different bands that the guys have liked over the years. You can hear little bits of different bands' sounds in many Rush songs.

 

My point is that when discussing Rush, no one says, "Oh, they're like [insert band here]." You just can't do it. Rush? Well, they sound like Rush. To me, that makes them unique.

 

That's cause you're right, and he's wrong.

 

NOBODY ever says so and so is like Rush, because nobody is.

 

Thus the uniqueness to which our associate above fails to see.

 

Kinda weak to debate it, it's a given. I dunno why I keep bothering. Actually, I think I'll stop now. LOL, a Rush fan who thinks Rush isn't that unique in the music world clearly isn't here for Rush. :)

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It's kinda laughable, having to debate this. You don't think they're that unique. Yet you can't point to one single outfit who's similar. Influences, blah blah blah. Bottom line...there isn't anyone like them. Metallica said it. Grohl said it. Plant said it. Everyone knows it.

 

Except you, apparently.

 

Heck, I'm not personal about it. I just think it implies a lack of simple observation skill. I admit I'm being condescending. But you're one of those board trolls who gets off on stirring the pot. Me, I'm not stirred. Just amused. 'Net bravado is boring.

 

I wouldn't class myself as a troll, and i was astounded that you used the term schadenfreude in a different post as that's not me at all.

 

Rush have many and diverse influences and they can be heard in their music...I was quite careful at the end to quaify my statement by stating that I didn't think they were not original or that they had their own sound, but that you could clearly hear said influences...did you miss that bit?

 

As for sounding like Rush, I would point to the first four Kings X albums...not a copy at all, but the same use of space occupying guitat a la Tom Sawyer etc.

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The Bible---evidence God exists

 

The Koran-----evidence Allah exists

 

Mr Tickle-----evidence Mr Tickle exists

 

Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true.

 

er....none of those books are evidence those things exist.

 

when I say there won't be any Rush without Neil....it's true. you can bet your mortgage on it. :)

 

Because it's not true because I'm saying it...it's true beyond what you or I say.

 

Err..that was the point...none of the both proves existence.

 

You are no more a reliable source than them

 

FWIW I tend to agree with you, it's very unlikely but that's not what I have been debating...

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LOL, mkay, Now we know how much you really understand Rush. Thanks for clearing that up, laddie. :hi:

 

There is no other band even remotely similar to Rush. Consequently, there are thousands of bands like Zeppelin, Halen, or even Rick Springfield.

 

 

It only takes reading a few posts to tell that you really are quite taken with your own opinion.

 

Yeah, most people here are wired to think that Rush is unique. And certainly, if you take time to listen to them, they are. As is EVERY band. But from a distance, Rush also bears striking similarities with a lot of other prog/arena rock bands. Which is why they've been lumped in with Kansas, Styx, and even Journey by critics for years.

 

Similarly, to say that there's nothing unique about Zeppelin or Van Halen is really astounding. Both had imitators, but the originals were very distinctive bands.

 

 

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Doesn't seem like he is saying anything that he hasn't already said before though. No real surprises there.

 

Cool interview though. And did he say "God bless you" at the end to those guys? Just wondering...

 

I can't watch/listen to the interview, but do you mean Geddy? Since when would he be God blessing anyone?? :LOL: Maybe he's had a great conversion or something. :cool: ;)

Damn I wish you could see and hear this one :fuckinputer: Nothing mind blowing or new but just a good interview and the guy is too cool for school for sure...

 

Are you talking about Geddy being too cool? I agree. I love listening to him speak. He has a very soothing voice.

and he's yummy!
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From what I've read in Neil's interviews and books, he doesn't sound like a terribly happy person (and who can blame him) and I kind of get the impression he's been forcing himself to go through with the tours for a long time. Not everything he does or says is admirable but so far once he's agreed to do a tour he brings it and makes the fans happy, and I do find that admirable. Slavery is illegal so he's not obligated to work one more day if he doesn't want to. There have been some exceptions but really since Test for Echo came out I kind of thought he's running out of things to write about, the lyrics from Test for Echo on have not really been the same quality as the "classic" years. They are still mostly far better than what any other rock band puts out. I heard a rumor back in 1984 that Rush was breaking up and I was really bummed - my thought was at least I got to see them one time. (Grace Under Pressure tour was my first Rush concert.) It could have ended a lot sooner than it did. I'm glad for all the years of fun they have given me but they aren't obligated to produce one more note if they don't want to. If they want to then I'll be happy to listen whatever they call it or whoever they play with. There really is no replacement for Rush, they are not like anyone else, but I can learn to like other things, eventually, I think, I hope!
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I may be in the minority here, but I'm completely ok with the band winding down from a touring perspective. I hate the thought of no more Rush shows to attend but, unfortunately, it has to end sometime. We're not talking Barry Manilow here. Rush music is extremely demanding to play and maintaining the bands' high standards would be tough for anyone half their age. Memories I have from the last several tours are great ones and the boys were on top of their game. Not a bad way to go out if you ask me.
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