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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point... :cheers:

 

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

The lyrics to the song.

Live for yourself there's no one else more worth living for etc etc... :)

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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point... :cheers:

 

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

You know they've always told you selfishness was wrong.

 

Eh? Speaking plainly LABT! And who is this "they"?

 

Are you saying that his two best friends are $$?

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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point... :cheers:

 

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

You know they've always told you selfishness was wrong.

 

Eh? Speaking plainly LABT! And who is this "they"?

 

Are you saying that his two best friends are $$?

Brutus and himself I'm guessing. In some order.

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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point... :cheers:

 

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

The lyrics to the song.

Live for yourself there's no one else more worth living for etc etc... :)

 

Oh. That's one of those songs I always skip.

 

But, most appropriate lyrics for him at this time in his life:

 

"Know your place in life is where you want to be

Don't let them tell you that you owe it all to me

Keep on looking forward; no use in looking 'round

Hold your head above the ground and they won't bring you down"

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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point... :cheers:

 

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

The lyrics to the song.

Live for yourself there's no one else more worth living for etc etc... :)

 

Oh. That's one of those songs I always skip.

 

But, most appropriate lyrics for him at this time in his life:

 

"Know your place in life is where you want to be

Don't let them tell you that you owe it all to me

Keep on looking forward; no use in looking 'round

Hold your head above the ground and they won't bring you down"

You skip Anthem??? :o

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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point... :cheers:

 

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

The lyrics to the song.

Live for yourself there's no one else more worth living for etc etc... :)

 

Oh. That's one of those songs I always skip.

 

But, most appropriate lyrics for him at this time in his life:

 

"Know your place in life is where you want to be

Don't let them tell you that you owe it all to me

Keep on looking forward; no use in looking 'round

Hold your head above the ground and they won't bring you down"

You skip Anthem??? :o

 

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I think that Geddy was being respectful to the other members of the band more than anything with his answers on touring. He obviously doesn't want it to be over, but it's way too early for him to speculate on the possibility of touring/recording down the road.

 

I will be sorry if it's over, but I certainly would hold no ill will against any of them if it never happens again. They've done their time.

 

I know it's weird but there is a part of me that is mad at Neil for being selfish. The rational hemisphere of my brain understands that after 40 years of hard work he wants to retire, and he has earned it. The emotional hemisphere is acting like a spoiled brat - how dare he retire and take that pleasure away from me?

 

I am usually rational, pragmatic and realistic so to me it's strange that I have this little corner of resentment bubbling away...

 

When I think about it, I always end up with Neil's young daughter. There has to be some guilt within him regarding the loss of time he had with Selena because he was "on the road". He has the right to make sure that never happens again. I can't fault the man for that no matter how much I would like to see them perform again.

From what I understand and I don't read his blogs and books Lord knows but isn't he away from home a bunch anyway? That's what I have heard around here anyway. Always traveling all over creation on his motorcycle etc etc... :huh:

 

Generally not for months at a time unless he's on tour.

Ok. Thanks...

 

Yep. This.

 

Does Neil travel alone from time-to-time? Does he go out riding with a friend from time-to-time? Yes. But a lot of his blogging also hints at time with close friends and family, and more than one post in recent years has been very specific to the fact his family is pulling him to stay at home. Even if he had traveled, say, 6 months out of the year (a very unrealistic and high estimate, I bet), why would him deciding to not do that now be a bad thing? (Narps and Badger, I am not saying you would say that... I am more suggesting the Neil haters would argue it).

 

Among the Neil haters, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he travels and blogs about it... he's selfish for not spending all his time with his family. If he spends time with his family and stops touring.... he's selfish for not giving the fans what they want.

 

:huh:

 

PS Badger, I respect the fact you see the folly in the emotional response to Neil's decision. It's a lot further along than some folks on this grand social diaspora we call the internet. There's a lot of irrational hate being directed at Neil these days. Not that there isn't a lot of that all the time, but there is more than normal.

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I think that Geddy was being respectful to the other members of the band more than anything with his answers on touring. He obviously doesn't want it to be over, but it's way too early for him to speculate on the possibility of touring/recording down the road.

 

I will be sorry if it's over, but I certainly would hold no ill will against any of them if it never happens again. They've done their time.

 

I know it's weird but there is a part of me that is mad at Neil for being selfish. The rational hemisphere of my brain understands that after 40 years of hard work he wants to retire, and he has earned it. The emotional hemisphere is acting like a spoiled brat - how dare he retire and take that pleasure away from me?

 

I am usually rational, pragmatic and realistic so to me it's strange that I have this little corner of resentment bubbling away...

 

When I think about it, I always end up with Neil's young daughter. There has to be some guilt within him regarding the loss of time he had with Selena because he was "on the road". He has the right to make sure that never happens again. I can't fault the man for that no matter how much I would like to see them perform again.

From what I understand and I don't read his blogs and books Lord knows but isn't he away from home a bunch anyway? That's what I have heard around here anyway. Always traveling all over creation on his motorcycle etc etc... :huh:

 

Generally not for months at a time unless he's on tour.

Ok. Thanks...

 

Yep. This.

 

Does Neil travel alone from time-to-time? Does he go out riding with a friend from time-to-time? Yes. But a lot of his blogging also hints at time with close friends and family, and more than one post in recent years has been very specific to the fact his family is pulling him to stay at home. Even if he had traveled, say, 6 months out of the year (a very unrealistic and high estimate, I bet), why would him deciding to not do that now be a bad thing? (Narps and Badger, I am not saying you would say that... I am more suggesting the Neil haters would argue it).

 

Among the Neil haters, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he travels and blogs about it... he's selfish for not spending all his time with his family. If he spends time with his family and stops touring.... he's selfish for not giving the fans what they want.

 

:huh:

I honestly don't care. He should retire and do what he wants as far as I am concerned. I just raised the question...
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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point... :cheers:

 

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

The lyrics to the song.

Live for yourself there's no one else more worth living for etc etc... :)

 

Begging hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more. (Ouch!) :doh:

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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point... :cheers:

 

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

The lyrics to the song.

Live for yourself there's no one else more worth living for etc etc... :)

 

Begging hands and bleeding hearts and the TRF will only cry out for more. (Ouch!) :doh:

Dang that's a mouthful to sing in the rocking style they were doing back then... :)
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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

That might be your pov but I'm not sure what theirs are. They backed him during his tragedies and he came back (even though his books make it pretty clear he didn't really want to) and supported their dream of going almost another 15 years. We know how he views these things: he will accept our money and in return provide us with his best writing and recording or performing efforts and the transaction is over. He definitely doesn't think he owes us a thing. Geddy and al, I couldn't say and I won't guess.

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I think this is the perfect time for them to stop touring. Too many mistakes during this last tour and no one wants to see them go downhill.

 

I dunno, it seemed like it was mainly just Alex making mistakes and that was mostly during the early shows. I think he wasn't as well rehearsed in the beginning (compared to previous tours), but he cleaned it up nicely near the end and came around to sounding like his usual self. Neil goofed a couple times, most noticeably the Virginia show right before the break. And the first night of Toronto looked bad, but I think that was at least partly nerves due to hometown filming.

 

You also have to remember that this was the first tour where we were able to hear (and watch) them play virtually every night. So we got good at catching those mistakes in real time. They probably made their share of them over the course of other tours as well; we just weren't able to listen in on every show then.

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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point... :cheers:

 

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

The lyrics to the song.

Live for yourself there's no one else more worth living for etc etc... :)

 

Begging hands and bleeding hearts and the TRF will only cry out for more. (Ouch!) :doh:

Dang that's a mouthful to sing in the rocking style they were doing back then... :)

Gotta love a good BTLS reference
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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

 

In no way whatsoever is he "screwing over" anyone. Geddy has stated very clearly that there will be no "bad guy" when it comes to ending the band. All three of them recognize each other's right to unconditionally call it quits.

 

The only thing screwed is your interpretation of the band's current status.

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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

As much as I love this band and seeing them live, I completely agree and I would do the same thing if I were Neil.

Now do I hope they do more live shows of course I do, but I don't begrudge them any happiness and choices they make to have the kind of life they want and enjoy.

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I know this is a pipe dream, but now I legitimately hope it happens. I hope Geddy and Alex start a Rush tribute act without Neil and leave Neil behind to do whatever his heart desires not-Rush related.

 

Portnoy is sending his resume 1x a week at least.

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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

 

In no way whatsoever is he "screwing over" anyone. Geddy has stated very clearly that there will be no "bad guy" when it comes to ending the band. All three of them recognize each other's right to unconditionally call it quits.

 

The only thing screwed is your interpretation of the band's current status.

 

Yep. And there's the nagging reality.... none of the members of the band owe the fans a thing. When you buy an album, you are purchasing the album and the ability to listen to those songs whenever you want. When you buy a concert ticket, you are purchasing a seat at an entertainment venue. When you buy a t-shirt, you are buying an article of clothing. When you buy a bobble head, bar stool, or pair of Starman panties, you probably have a problem (!), but you are also buying just those items. At no point has any of us ever purchased a relationship with these guys.

 

I would agree an argument can be made for the guys, or any celebrity, at least showing a level of appreciation for their fans, but the fact of the matter is Rush, Neil included, have done that. They constantly acknowledge their fans. They listened to fans for years when building set lists. And, yes, Neil even went on one last tour, even though it was pretty obvious he had reservations about doing it. He could have just as easily told the guys he wasn't going to do it and called it a career after the CA tour. But he didn't. Howzabout a little appreciation for the guy giving the fans one more tour.... and a wonderfully done tour at that. They went out magnificently.

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I like the idiots throwing things were frustrated Leafs fans comment.... and that his wife doesn't get the wine collection hobby... haha

 

Cool interview with Geddy. thanks for posting.

It was a great interview. Far from the same old same old...
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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

 

In no way whatsoever is he "screwing over" anyone. Geddy has stated very clearly that there will be no "bad guy" when it comes to ending the band. All three of them recognize each other's right to unconditionally call it quits.

 

The only thing screwed is your interpretation of the band's current status.

 

Yep. And there's the nagging reality.... none of the members of the band owe the fans a thing. When you buy an album, you are purchasing the album and the ability to listen to those songs whenever you want. When you buy a concert ticket, you are purchasing a seat at an entertainment venue. When you buy a t-shirt, you are buying an article of clothing. When you buy a bobble head, bar stool, or pair of Starman panties, you probably have a problem (!), but you are also buying just those items. At no point has any of us ever purchased a relationship with these guys.

 

I would agree an argument can be made for the guys, or any celebrity, at least showing a level of appreciation for their fans, but the fact of the matter is Rush, Neil included, have done that. They constantly acknowledge their fans. They listened to fans for years when building set lists. And, yes, Neil even went on one last tour, even though it was pretty obvious he had reservations about doing it. He could have just as easily told the guys he wasn't going to do it and called it a career after the CA tour. But he didn't. Howzabout a little appreciation for the guy giving the fans one more tour.... and a wonderfully done tour at that. They went out magnificently.

Indeed and my Starman panties are my own problem business thank you very much... Edited by Narps
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I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

 

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

 

In no way whatsoever is he "screwing over" anyone. Geddy has stated very clearly that there will be no "bad guy" when it comes to ending the band. All three of them recognize each other's right to unconditionally call it quits.

 

The only thing screwed is your interpretation of the band's current status.

 

Yep. And there's the nagging reality.... none of the members of the band owe the fans a thing. When you buy an album, you are purchasing the album and the ability to listen to those songs whenever you want. When you buy a concert ticket, you are purchasing a seat at an entertainment venue. When you buy a t-shirt, you are buying an article of clothing. When you buy a bobble head, bar stool, or pair of Starman panties, you probably have a problem (!), but you are also buying just those items. At no point has any of us ever purchased a relationship with these guys.

 

I would agree an argument can be made for the guys, or any celebrity, at least showing a level of appreciation for their fans, but the fact of the matter is Rush, Neil included, have done that. They constantly acknowledge their fans. They listened to fans for years when building set lists. And, yes, Neil even went on one last tour, even though it was pretty obvious he had reservations about doing it. He could have just as easily told the guys he wasn't going to do it and called it a career after the CA tour. But he didn't. Howzabout a little appreciation for the guy giving the fans one more tour.... and a wonderfully done tour at that. They went out magnificently.

 

Very well said. Bravo.

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I would agree an argument can be made for the guys, or any celebrity, at least showing a level of appreciation for their fans, but the fact of the matter is Rush, Neil included, have done that. They constantly acknowledge their fans.

 

Neil's message to his fans has been very clear. Sincere appreciation for the support and the applause, and a big "No, thank you!" for the worship.

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