Will Rush Add More Shows

[Bard]

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

[EagleMoon]

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

 

It's kind of sad. They've already said they're not going to come out and say that's it. Some people have to be hit over the head with an anvil. Even if they did say "we're never producing any more music together" people would be saying they didn't mean it.

[Bard]

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

 

It's kind of sad. They've already said they're not going to come out and say that's it. Some people have to be hit over the head with an anvil. Even if they did say "we're never producing any more music together" people would be saying they didn't mean it.

 

Agreed. Is it really self absorption, or is it facing their own mortality? I don't get it either way. As if Rush hasn't given enough of their lives for our enjoyment.

 

It's pretty selfish when you think about it objectively.

 

Farewell tours just aren't the band's style. And thank the gods for that. Last thing I wanna see is Rush pull some hack residency in Vegas ala Motley Crue.

[EagleMoon]

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

 

It's kind of sad. They've already said they're not going to come out and say that's it. Some people have to be hit over the head with an anvil. Even if they did say "we're never producing any more music together" people would be saying they didn't mean it.

 

Agreed. Is it really self absorption, or is it facing their own mortality? I don't get it either way. As if Rush hasn't given enough of their lives for our enjoyment.

 

It's pretty selfish when you think about it objectively.

 

Farewell tours just aren't the band's style. And thank the gods for that. Last thing I wanna see is Rush pull some hack residency in Vegas ala Motley Crue.

 

Exactly. Now is the perfect time for them to quit touring.

[HemiBeers]

Chris Squire, dies at 67. The guys are in their early 60s. I think the guys can do the simple math and figure out that, if they met the same fate, it would be a shame spending their remaining years on a tour bus.

[TexMike]

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

 

It's kind of sad. They've already said they're not going to come out and say that's it. Some people have to be hit over the head with an anvil. Even if they did say "we're never producing any more music together" people would be saying they didn't mean it.

 

See, I don't really believe that. I think if they said we are completely done (and I can understand why they would wait until after August 1st to do it if they don't want extra hoopla about this being a "farewell" tour), most fans would just accept it and move on. By NOT saying they're done, they're inviting endless speculation about when the next album will be, where will they do a residency, etc. We're already seeing it here and the tour's not even over yet.

[kentpilot]

Complete speculation on my part, but perhaps it's only Neil who wants to retire and Geddy and Alex don't, and perhaps don't have a plan of what to say or do.

 

Well I think it was Geddy who said he doesn't want to announce a farewell, so I'm not expecting them too. So why are people on here like FOH Lights, who is supposedly "close to the band", not honoring those specific wishes. Rush want to keep it up in the air for a reason. It's so dumb that anyone can be like: "here's what they are going to do and there is no other way it can go" You just look like an idiot at the point, right?

I can kind of understand your doubt. You're thinking, how can some schmuck on a public forum know/say things that the band themselves isn't, publicly? I've been around a lot this tour and the mindset backstage is one of finality. Geddy & Alex won't come right out and say it (I don't think it's their nature), but everyone knows that this is the end. The Emperor Peart has made it clear that after this tour, he's tapping out for good. And let's face it, without Neil, there is no Rush.

 

You don't know me so, it's cool if you have your doubts. Time will tell the tale.

 

Whether you're right or not is kind of irrelevant to the statements in that post.

 

So when you say they are done, do you mind Rush will never have another album? Also will they never play again as a band again in any capacity? Genuinely curious.

What I've said is that Neil will never tour again. So, "Rush" as you know them, are done touring. Who knows if Geddy & Alex will keep on writing or ever produce anything together? IMO, based on the physical toll that years of playing/touring has had on them, and the fact that they've been enjoying their time off more than ever lately, I can't see them doing anything too big or time consuming, if at all. Traveling with family & friends, and finally enjoying a pressure/worry free life sounds like a lot more fun... don't you think?

 

Definitely. Like I've said before I'm fine with them not saying anything about retiring and with them being done in August. I can see where some people are coming from when they say they think it's wrong for them to not tell everyone. But I also see the bands point of view on why they don't want to say it for sure out loud. But I'd like to see another album and as you said time will tell. That's the only certain answer. It's very likely they are done I imagine with the extra info we get not from the band themselves. But I really don't know I'm here for the ride.

Edited July 9, 2015 by kentpilot

[TexMike]

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

 

It's kind of sad. They've already said they're not going to come out and say that's it. Some people have to be hit over the head with an anvil. Even if they did say "we're never producing any more music together" people would be saying they didn't mean it.

 

Agreed. Is it really self absorption, or is it facing their own mortality? I don't get it either way. As if Rush hasn't given enough of their lives for our enjoyment.

 

It's pretty selfish when you think about it objectively.

 

Farewell tours just aren't the band's style. And thank the gods for that. Last thing I wanna see is Rush pull some hack residency in Vegas ala Motley Crue.

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

 

It's kind of sad. They've already said they're not going to come out and say that's it. Some people have to be hit over the head with an anvil. Even if they did say "we're never producing any more music together" people would be saying they didn't mean it.

 

Agreed. Is it really self absorption, or is it facing their own mortality? I don't get it either way. As if Rush hasn't given enough of their lives for our enjoyment.

 

It's pretty selfish when you think about it objectively.

 

 

I think most people here believe you that this tour is the end. I also think most people don't have unrealistic expectations that they should put families and ailments aside and keep on with the album/tour cycles until they all need walkers to get on stage. I know I don't. I can already see Alex occasionally breaking down and not being able to play like he once could. They're old and the bell is tolling. It happens.

 

But I don't think it's cool to start labeling people as self-absorbed because they're having a hard time accepting it. For many on this board, Rush have been a big part of their lives for a LONG part of their lives. Are they supposed to just be robots and not have feelings about that coming to an end? Even if they understand that maybe it has to be? It doesn't mean they're planning on picketing outside Neil's door until he changes his mind because they feel they're entitled to more Rush.

 

I'm not here to complain. I just see both sides of this and fall somewhere in the middle. I get that they're most likely just going to fade away after August 1st without any kind of farewell statement. But I can't blame some fans for hoping (not demanding) that there might be something more at some point if Rush themselves never even acknowledge the closure of their band.

Edited July 9, 2015 by TexMike

[Bard]

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

 

It's kind of sad. They've already said they're not going to come out and say that's it. Some people have to be hit over the head with an anvil. Even if they did say "we're never producing any more music together" people would be saying they didn't mean it.

 

Agreed. Is it really self absorption, or is it facing their own mortality? I don't get it either way. As if Rush hasn't given enough of their lives for our enjoyment.

 

It's pretty selfish when you think about it objectively.

 

Farewell tours just aren't the band's style. And thank the gods for that. Last thing I wanna see is Rush pull some hack residency in Vegas ala Motley Crue.

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

 

It's kind of sad. They've already said they're not going to come out and say that's it. Some people have to be hit over the head with an anvil. Even if they did say "we're never producing any more music together" people would be saying they didn't mean it.

 

Agreed. Is it really self absorption, or is it facing their own mortality? I don't get it either way. As if Rush hasn't given enough of their lives for our enjoyment.

 

It's pretty selfish when you think about it objectively.

 

 

I think most people here believe you that this tour is the end. I also think most people don't have unrealistic expectations that they should put families and ailments aside and keep on with the album/tour cycles until they all need walkers to get on stage. I know I don't. I can already see Alex occasionally breaking down and not being able to play like he once could. They're old and the bell is tolling. It happens.

 

But I don't think it's cool to start labeling people as self-absorbed because they're having a hard time accepting it. For many on this board, Rush have been a big part of their lives for a LONG part of their lives. Are they supposed to just be robots and not have feelings about that coming to an end? Even if they understand that maybe it has to be? It doesn't mean they're planning on picketing outside Neil's door until he changes his mind because they feel they're entitled to more Rush.

 

I'm not here to complain. I just see both sides of this and fall somewhere in the middle. I get that they're most likely just going to fade away after August 1st without any kind of farewell statement. But I can't blame some fans for hoping (not demanding) that there might be something more at some point if Rush themselves never even acknowledge the closure of their band.

 

Some fans' hopes do in truth seem more like expectations. There's a difference. Entitlement.

 

Some bands simply do not feel the need to directly acknowledge ends. It's okay. People are like that. They are not exempt from the human factor.

 

We all have seen the usual suspects braying about - insisting, really - that it can't be the end until they say it outright. It's self absorbed in the sense that they seemingly don't really care how the guys retire, only that these fans continue to get new Rush music and appearances.

 

It's a lack of empathy, thus self serving.

 

After 40 years of albums, touring, and general good vibes, Rush doesn't need to give fans anything more than they already have, 'cause they already have given above and beyond - FAR beyond - what most bands are willing or able to do. And that includes an 'explanation,' a 'directive,' or an outright GOODBYE. They don't have to, and quite honestly, they're not going to.

[geezer]

I don't know if I am more pessimistic now than I was 15/18 years ago, but I am really afraid that we have already spent our allowed miracle at that time.

[EagleMoon]

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

 

It's kind of sad. They've already said they're not going to come out and say that's it. Some people have to be hit over the head with an anvil. Even if they did say "we're never producing any more music together" people would be saying they didn't mean it.

 

See, I don't really believe that. I think if they said we are completely done (and I can understand why they would wait until after August 1st to do it if they don't want extra hoopla about this being a "farewell" tour), most fans would just accept it and move on. By NOT saying they're done, they're inviting endless speculation about when the next album will be, where will they do a residency, etc. We're already seeing it here and the tour's not even over yet.

 

I don't think they want it to be over, or at least Geddy doesn't, and I don't think Alex does either. I do think they'll put out at least something else. Maybe another album, but the touring is just getting tough on them.

[TexMike]

People really are having a hard time with inevitability.

 

So life goes on.

 

It's kind of sad. They've already said they're not going to come out and say that's it. Some people have to be hit over the head with an anvil. Even if they did say "we're never producing any more music together" people would be saying they didn't mean it.

 

See, I don't really believe that. I think if they said we are completely done (and I can understand why they would wait until after August 1st to do it if they don't want extra hoopla about this being a "farewell" tour), most fans would just accept it and move on. By NOT saying they're done, they're inviting endless speculation about when the next album will be, where will they do a residency, etc. We're already seeing it here and the tour's not even over yet.

 

I don't think they want it to be over, or at least Geddy doesn't, and I don't think Alex does either. I do think they'll put out at least something else. Maybe another album, but the touring is just getting tough on them.

 

Yeah I think Geddy's been putting on a very brave face, knowing these are the final shows. As hard as it may be for fans, it's surely a million times harder for him. Gotta be more emotional for him every day closer to L.A.

 

Alex looks more like he's ready to quit. And Neil as we know is already on that final bike ride home in his mind.

[Lorraine]

Complete speculation on my part, but perhaps it's only Neil who wants to retire and Geddy and Alex don't, and perhaps don't have a plan of what to say or do.

 

Well I think it was Geddy who said he doesn't want to announce a farewell, so I'm not expecting them too. So why are people on here like FOH Lights, who is supposedly "close to the band", not honoring those specific wishes. Rush want to keep it up in the air for a reason. It's so dumb that anyone can be like: "here's what they are going to do and there is no other way it can go" You just look like an idiot at the point, right?

I can kind of understand your doubt. You're thinking, how can some schmuck on a public forum know/say things that the band themselves isn't, publicly? I've been around a lot this tour and the mindset backstage is one of finality. Geddy & Alex won't come right out and say it (I don't think it's their nature), but everyone knows that this is the end. The Emperor Peart has made it clear that after this tour, he's tapping out for good. And let's face it, without Neil, there is no Rush.

 

You don't know me so, it's cool if you have your doubts. Time will tell the tale.

 

Whether you're right or not is kind of irrelevant to the statements in that post.

 

So when you say they are done, do you mind Rush will never have another album? Also will they never play again as a band again in any capacity? Genuinely curious.

What I've said is that Neil will never tour again. So, "Rush" as you know them, are done touring. Who knows if Geddy & Alex will keep on writing or ever produce anything together? IMO, based on the physical toll that years of playing/touring has had on them, and the fact that they've been enjoying their time off more than ever lately, I can't see them doing anything too big or time consuming, if at all. Traveling with family & friends, and finally enjoying a pressure/worry free life sounds like a lot more fun... don't you think?

 

Especially at their age.

 

I can't help but think to myself what maybe his wife was thinking as she watched Geddy go through the door today or yesterday leaving to go on tour for the very last time. I'm sure she now wonders how she ever managed to live through and survive forty years of it. It must have taken its toll on her as well.

 

When all is said and done, give these men a break. Please. Yes, they made millions, but they did work hard for it. The glamor must wear off fast and all that's left is the drudgery of schlepping from one city to another, one country to another, until you wake up and aren't quite sure just where you are.

 

I don't know about the rest of you, but without Neil, there's no Rush. I wouldn't want just Alex and Geddy for the sake of just having them. All three or no dice.

[Lorraine]

Chris Squire, dies at 67. The guys are in their early 60s. I think the guys can do the simple math and figure out that, if they met the same fate, it would be a shame spending their remaining years on a tour bus.

 

I said that a long time ago here. One member had a fit. it's not just Chris Squire. Other members of famous bands have died after touring (thinking of the guitarist from Renaissance and Davey Jones in particular) Once you reach a certain age, you really have to take it easy. You just can no longer endure what a twenty/thirty something year old can any more.

[Lorraine]

I don't think Alex really wants to quit. But his fingers just won't do it anymore. He can't help it.

[JohnRogers]

I've been on record supporting the idea of the band retiring anytime they please but let's not make touring sound like Military deployment. They tour in comfort with opportunities for family and friends to join them along the way.

[EagleMoon]

I've been on record supporting the idea of the band retiring anytime they please but let's not make touring sound like Military deployment. They tour in comfort with opportunities for family and friends to join them along the way.

 

How many 60+ year olds are being deployed?

[geezer]

Besides a physical improvment involved, I just hope the 'Call Of The Wild' for being on stage even just for few nights will grow on them.

[JohnRogers]

Not many most at that age would general/admiral officers, who deploy in "comfort".

[Lorraine]

They tour in comfort? Now they do. That's recent. How about the decades they went from city to city, town to town, in a bus? How about the very long time they slept five or more in a room?

 

You don't think touring takes a toll. You do it. Go on a major tour with a band. Let's see how you do.

[EagleMoon]

Not many most at that age would general/admiral officers, who deploy in "comfort".

 

Exactly so you can't really compare them.

[JohnRogers]

Lorraine they haven't done that in decades. I've been to Afghanistan and Iraq, I don't want to get all "money for nothing and your chicks for free" but I'm sure I could handle touring.

[Lorraine]

Lorraine they haven't done that in decades. I've been to Afghanistan and Iraq, I don't want to get all "money for nothing and your chicks for free" but I'm sure I could handle touring.

 

I would have to check my book, but I think they only started using the private jet with the VT tour.

 

But it doesn't matter how they travel. It still takes a toll on you I would think.

 

Maybe you can handle touring. Are you over sixty though?

 

Alex already said before R30 that he didn't know how he was going to get through the tour. And that was when he was in his early fifties.

[JohnRogers]

We're debating different points. I agree they should stop touring whenever please, like professional athletes they leave it all on the field. As you age the physical gets harder. My point is shedding a tear on touring because they are separated from the families is a lesser deal. Family and friends can join them on tour dates, they can sneak home during the tour.

[Union 5-3992]

So I'm curious have they actually said this is the final tour? Only last tour of this magnitude right? And the interviews have literally avoided stating that these are the final shows. So if Occam's Razor states the answer with the least assumptions is the correct answer than the correct answer is this isn't the end.

 

I personally have no idea, the world kind of works that way. The fact that anyone in here is saying they know for sure is pretty funny. But hey, when it's anonymous on the internet who cares what you say. Right, Bard?

 

With logic and basic reasoning of information while using the least amount of assumptions it seems to be no, this isn't the end. But at the end of the day anyone claiming to know anything for certain is probably the least correct.

If you knew what has been happening "behind the scenes", you'd have a very different take on it. This IS the end. Neil will NEVER tour again. Take that to the bank.

 

This still isn't official and can never be official, you understand that right?

 

I am pretty sure you don't work for the band I think it's your friends with someone who does? Even if you do it's still hearsay and that's why it can't be taken to the bank. Because you aren't Rush.

Stage 1: Denial

 

 

Maybe? But if August 1st was Rush's last show, I would not mind. I'm good with it, what a great tour it's been. I am just confused when the only official word is they don't know. Why are people who aren't the band pretending they know? That just seems really disrespectful to me. Really rude towards Geddy, Alex and Neil. When you make guesses about the world and the future you're supposed to use hard fact and the least assumptions. I'm doing that and the hard fact is they haven't said they are done and we don't know. People claiming to know the future without a doubt have already admitted they don't understand it.

I think this is a very underrated post. You're absolutely right.