The Final Battle (Pt. II) - The Best of the Worst a/k/a The Narpsberg Recovery Thread

[GabesCavesOfIce]

Rush is to blame, as much as I love them. It was their (drummers?) decision to kill the mouth that stood up to them. Not just sound quality, but every aspect of their musical production, they did not have the decisiveness and clarity of Broon.

[Lorraine]

...Lorraine respecting our right to start a thread...

 

Please get this straight and keep it straight.

 

I don't know what some of you think, but the reason why I start threads it to keep myself and others entertained and busy. 99% of the time, I have a genuine interest in the outcome of a poll, or the information that I ask for (like Alex and his guitar) and want to discuss. If I don't start a thread, I don't see many others doing it - outside of Zumbi.

 

That's the only reason why I start the number of threads I do.

[GabesCavesOfIce]

...Lorraine respecting our right to start a thread...

 

Please get this straight and keep it straight.

 

I don't know what some of you think, but the reason why I start threads it to keep myself and others entertained and busy. 99% of the time, I have a genuine interest in the outcome of a poll, or the information that I ask for (like Alex and his guitar) and want to discuss. If I don't start a thread, I don't see many others doing it - outside of Zumbi.

 

That's the only reason why I start the number of threads I do.

 

Lorraine, I enjoy your polls and threads. Thought that was apparent on the Hemispheres / BTLS discussion. Sometimes I guess its difficult to express intent on a post. I should have put a wink there....

[bluefox4000]

Rush is to blame, as much as I love them. It was their (drummers?) decision to kill the mouth that stood up to them. Not just sound quality, but every aspect of their musical production, they did not have the decisiveness and clarity of Broon.

 

I have said in the past Leaving broon was the worst decision they/Neil? Made. Start of a downfall i think we're still feeling the effects of.

 

I stand by that too.

 

Mick

[EagleMoon]

Rush is to blame, as much as I love them. It was their (drummers?) decision to kill the mouth that stood up to them. Not just sound quality, but every aspect of their musical production, they did not have the decisiveness and clarity of Broon.

 

I have said in the past Leaving broon was the worst decision they/Neil? Made. Start of a downfall i think we're still feeling the effects of.

 

I stand by that too.

 

Mick

 

This is the first I've ever heard about it's being Neil's fault in any sense.

[bluefox4000]

Rush is to blame, as much as I love them. It was their (drummers?) decision to kill the mouth that stood up to them. Not just sound quality, but every aspect of their musical production, they did not have the decisiveness and clarity of Broon.

 

I have said in the past Leaving broon was the worst decision they/Neil? Made. Start of a downfall i think we're still feeling the effects of.

 

I stand by that too.

 

Mick

 

This is the first I've ever heard about it's being Neil's fault in any sense.

 

I heard rumblings (Probably here lol) That neil might have maybe been dissatisfied. but we shall never know. but either way........dumb move! I love those 80's records but.......come on the production is crap-ola, lol

 

Mick

[Blue J]

Rush is to blame, as much as I love them. It was their (drummers?) decision to kill the mouth that stood up to them. Not just sound quality, but every aspect of their musical production, they did not have the decisiveness and clarity of Broon.

 

I have said in the past Leaving broon was the worst decision they/Neil? Made. Start of a downfall i think we're still feeling the effects of.

 

I stand by that too.

 

Mick

 

This is the first I've ever heard about it's being Neil's fault in any sense.

 

Yeah, me too.

[Lorraine]

I would never have had the heart to do that to him. Especially since he was an excellent producer.

 

That's what I meant when I wrote in another thread about having to be (or become) ruthless in that profession.

[Blue J]

Rush is to blame, as much as I love them. It was their (drummers?) decision to kill the mouth that stood up to them. Not just sound quality, but every aspect of their musical production, they did not have the decisiveness and clarity of Broon.

 

I have said in the past Leaving broon was the worst decision they/Neil? Made. Start of a downfall i think we're still feeling the effects of.

 

I stand by that too.

 

Mick

 

This is the first I've ever heard about it's being Neil's fault in any sense.

 

I heard rumblings (Probably here lol) That neil might have maybe been dissatisfied. but we shall never know. but either way........dumb move! I love those 80's records but.......come on the production is crap-ola, lol

 

Mick

 

On the '80s albums, the production is crap? I disagree.

 

Peter Collins was quite different from Broonsy, to be sure- but so was the music itself.

 

I do concede that Power Windows sounds a bit cold (but I still really enjoy it)...but Hold Your Fire is fantastic!

[Blue J]

I would never have had the heart to do that to him. Especially since he was an excellent producer.

 

That's what I meant when I wrote in another thread about having to be (or become) ruthless in that profession.

 

True.

 

Considering that Terry Brown was definitely not in favor of the keys becoming a more and more dominant presence in their overall sound, it would seem to me that Geddy would have been the one who wanted a change in another direction (and away from Brown) the most.

 

But in the end, I don't really know at all.

[GabesCavesOfIce]

I would never have had the heart to do that to him. Especially since he was an excellent producer.

 

That's what I meant when I wrote in another thread about having to be (or become) ruthless in that profession.

 

True.

 

Considering that Terry Brown was definitely not in favor of the keys becoming a more and more dominant presence in their overall sound, it would seem to me that Geddy would have been the one who wanted a change in another direction (and away from Brown) the most.

 

But in the end, I don't really know at all.

 

I think its more than the keys. I liked PoW when it came out, although it was far from my fave. But the keys created a "lost focus of the sound" and confusion as to their identity.

 

What speaks really loudly about Hemispheres, is they can be off playing their own very complicated lines, and then boom, they come together hitting the beats in unison with power focus and precision. That takes clarity about what ones musical ambition is.

 

The post-Broon works, it sounds to me the want an ounce of this and ounce of that. Lets let Alex do a little riffing, some harmonics, but then lets add some complex keys for sophistication. OK maybe a little bass. Lets layer in some more keys. The producers were more like employees, wanted to run their vision for approval. Broon was more like a founding member. He understood how to get their best talents, Bass, drum, guitar emphasized and recorded.

[Lorraine]

But Terry was the one who hated Digital Man and wanted to deep six it before it even saw the light of day.

 

I wonder if his "heavy handedness" on the production of that album was the last straw?

[bluefox4000]

But Terry was the one who hated Digital Man and wanted to deep six it before it even saw the light of day.

 

I wonder if his "heavy handedness" on the production of that album was the last straw?

 

I still the think the 80's albums have way inferior sound quality.......but Rush did need to spread they're wings at the time. So i sorta understand.

 

Mick

[Narps]

Off topic. No Lorraine authored polls and not much fun. Just my opinion...

[bluefox4000]

Off topic. No Lorraine authored polls and not much fun. Just my opinion...

 

She could do as many polls as she likes. Forget complainers. lol

 

Mick

[Narps]

Off topic. No Lorraine authored polls and not much fun. Just my opinion...

 

She could do as many polls as she likes. Forget complainers. lol

 

Mick

Just speaking for myself I just get bored to tears around here when the polls aren't going. I laugh my @ss off and have great fun. Last few days not so much. When she was gone that week. Geez. Was awful. Just lying in bed and feeling blah and had to get it off my chest. Later... :codger:

[Lorraine]

You may remember this thread: http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/92599-what-is-the-best-trf-forum-for-polls-on-rush-songs-and-albums/

 

You will read why I hesitate.

[GabesCavesOfIce]

But Terry was the one who hated Digital Man and wanted to deep six it before it even saw the light of day.

 

I wonder if his "heavy handedness" on the production of that album was the last straw?

 

I believe he thought of himself as a vested member of Rush, and they would not resort to firing him, because he believed he was doing what was best for the bands sound. I get the impression he spoke his mind freely and critically with them and by the time they became superstars, they started to be surrounded by yes men, and his frankness stuck out like a sore thumb.

 

He was wrong on Digital Man, for it is quite good. Certainly it's not 100% that post Broon is bad, but it's amazing how they did not have their exceptional musical focus and clarity of sound post Signals.

[bluefox4000]

But Terry was the one who hated Digital Man and wanted to deep six it before it even saw the light of day.

 

I wonder if his "heavy handedness" on the production of that album was the last straw?

 

I believe he thought of himself as a vested member of Rush, and they would not resort to firing him, because he believed he was doing what was best for the bands sound. I get the impression he spoke his mind freely and critically with them and by the time they became superstars, they started to be surrounded by yes men, and his frankness stuck out like a sore thumb.

 

He was wrong on Digital Man, for it is quite good. Certainly it's not 100% that post Broon is bad, but it's amazing how they did not have their exceptional musical focus and clarity of sound post Signals.

 

Everybody else now just wants to play with and stamp their name on a Rush record.

 

Broon wanted to help CREATE it.

 

that's a major difference.

 

in my view.

 

Mick

[GabesCavesOfIce]

But Terry was the one who hated Digital Man and wanted to deep six it before it even saw the light of day.

 

I wonder if his "heavy handedness" on the production of that album was the last straw?

 

I believe he thought of himself as a vested member of Rush, and they would not resort to firing him, because he believed he was doing what was best for the bands sound. I get the impression he spoke his mind freely and critically with them and by the time they became superstars, they started to be surrounded by yes men, and his frankness stuck out like a sore thumb.

 

He was wrong on Digital Man, for it is quite good. Certainly it's not 100% that post Broon is bad, but it's amazing how they did not have their exceptional musical focus and clarity of sound post Signals.

 

Everybody else now just wants to play with and stamp their name on a Rush record.

 

Broon wanted to help CREATE it.

 

that's a major difference.

 

in my view.

 

Mick

 

Very true Mick. It's also very difficult for an "outsider" to tell superstars- you are wrong, that sounds terrible, here is what we are going to do. Yes they want to not get fired and stamp their name on a Rush record.

[bluefox4000]

But Terry was the one who hated Digital Man and wanted to deep six it before it even saw the light of day.

 

I wonder if his "heavy handedness" on the production of that album was the last straw?

 

I believe he thought of himself as a vested member of Rush, and they would not resort to firing him, because he believed he was doing what was best for the bands sound. I get the impression he spoke his mind freely and critically with them and by the time they became superstars, they started to be surrounded by yes men, and his frankness stuck out like a sore thumb.

 

He was wrong on Digital Man, for it is quite good. Certainly it's not 100% that post Broon is bad, but it's amazing how they did not have their exceptional musical focus and clarity of sound post Signals.

 

Everybody else now just wants to play with and stamp their name on a Rush record.

 

Broon wanted to help CREATE it.

 

that's a major difference.

 

in my view.

 

Mick

 

Very true Mick. It's also very difficult for an "outsider" to tell superstars- you are wrong, that sounds terrible, here is what we are going to do. Yes they want to not get fired and stamp their name on a Rush record.

 

And rush seems like great guys......but yes men go to your head after a while. I doubt they'd take s "no boys" at this point. :(

 

Mick

[Lorraine]

I was looking for some good old threads in the Rush section, and I found a poll left behind: http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/92230-least-glorious-to-round-16/page__st__60#entry3517922

 

:LOLsign: :LOLsign: :LOLsign: :LOLsign: :LOLsign:

[Narps]

The round my baby got wacked :( Cool find though... :cheers: Edited April 17, 2015 by Narpsberg

[toymaker]

The round my baby got wacked :( Cool find though... :cheers:

 

Narps! How you doing today, on a scale of 1 to 10? Hope it's at least 8ish.

[Narps]

The round my baby got wacked :( Cool find though... :cheers:

 

Narps! How you doing today, on a scale of 1 to 10? Hope it's at least 8ish.

8ish will work. Thanks for asking... :cheers: