EagleMoon Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies. Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book. Saying something like that comes off as extremely ignorant Well I've read all her crap, read bios and histories, and criticisms. I'd say I was the opposite of ignorant. Well, then, congratulations on being able to convey ignorance so effectively. Feeding the troll just ends up making the thread about them, which feeds their narcissistic thrill. Best to just ignore it. Troll off you cheeky mare! I love you too, Tony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John RogersClever as it may be I never wrote or said any of this. ;) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John RogersClever as it may be I never wrote or said any of this. ;) I've read similar quotes elsewhere before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 This is not the place to discuss Ayn Rand. We haven't got a children's forum... If you understood the question, it was not simply about Ayn Rand's work .. Another response completely void of content from you SOCN is for discussing politics, philosophy and other divisive and emotive subjects. Get it???? The thread seems to have found a place right here As for you, you are obviously in a lot of pain, and have serious issues with acceptance, criticism and self worth You actually have my sympathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers I got into RUSH when I was 10 years old ... what is the difference ? This has obviously stirred a lot of emotion in those who feel threatened by any discussion - D I S C U S S I O N - outside of their comfort zone ..... If you think of the myriad of things people can do with their time - anything ( there is a big world out there, maybe some of you don't realize ) .... And someone who chooses to come to the computer, seek out a particular message board, and involve themselves in a discussion in which they do nothing but ridicule and criticize .. I wouldn't even expect that rom a 14 year old Very sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x1yyz Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Years ago I read Anthem because of the Rush connection. I liked the story, although I understand it isn't like some of her more notorious books. I'm fine with not reading those because I don't like to be preached to about politics or anything, for that matter. And, for what it's worth, Neil has since apologized for being so enamoured with Rand's writing, blaming it on being young and impressionable. I didn't find them preachy, at least not The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged (maybe this one a little). I Just read them as stories about people trying to make it in the world around them and overcoming obstacles. I honestly don't know if they are preachy since I've never read anything of hers other than Anthem. I was just assuming that based what I've heard others say about her writing. I'm fairly neutral on Rand in general, not having enough experience with her works to discuss them in an intelligent fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers I got into RUSH when I was 10 years old ... what is the difference ? This has obviously stirred a lot of emotion in those who feel threatened by any discussion - D I S C U S S I O N - outside of their comfort zone ..... If you think of the myriad of things people can do with their time - anything ( there is a big world out there, maybe some of you don't realize ) .... And someone who chooses to come to the computer, seek out a particular message board, and involve themselves in a discussion in which they do nothing but ridicule and criticize .. I wouldn't even expect that rom a 14 year old Very sadSeriously I never said any of this. :) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'm fairly neutral on Rand in general, not having enough experience with her works to discuss them in an intelligent fashion.When has that ever stopped ANYONE? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers I got into RUSH when I was 10 years old ... what is the difference ? This has obviously stirred a lot of emotion in those who feel threatened by any discussion - D I S C U S S I O N - outside of their comfort zone ..... If you think of the myriad of things people can do with their time - anything ( there is a big world out there, maybe some of you don't realize ) .... And someone who chooses to come to the computer, seek out a particular message board, and involve themselves in a discussion in which they do nothing but ridicule and criticize .. I wouldn't even expect that rom a 14 year old Very sadSeriously I never said any of this. :)He's not kidding. I think we've all seen enough of his writing to know that he's nowhere near that clever. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Part of my point in creating this thread was to hear if people applied any of these things into their own lives - for example, volunteer work, teaching an instrument, starting and owning you own business, etc The truly inspirational bands can lead a person down some very positive roads ... After all the "polls" were moved, I thought this would be an interesting way to learn about the posters here, as I am still somewhat new to the forum ( .. I enjoyed the polls btw ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x1yyz Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'm fairly neutral on Rand in general, not having enough experience with her works to discuss them in an intelligent fashion.When has that ever stopped ANYONE? That's the difference between me and half of SOCN! :outtahere: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies. Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.He needs this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aikenrooster Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I knew Ayn Rand before getting deep into Rush. If Rush have "taught" me anything, it's to "Wish them well," and just let things go, which is something that people up North are a lot better able to do than southerners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I knew Ayn Rand before getting deep into Rush. If Rush have "taught" me anything, it's to "Wish them well," and just let things go, which is something that people up North are a lot better able to do than southerners.Well, there's that whole "War of Northern Aggression" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aikenrooster Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I knew Ayn Rand before getting deep into Rush. If Rush have "taught" me anything, it's to "Wish them well," and just let things go, which is something that people up North are a lot better able to do than southerners.Well, there's that whole "War of Northern Aggression" thing....and there was a Fugitive Slave Act compelling them to return humans into bondage down south. Another thread headed to SOCN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I knew Ayn Rand before getting deep into Rush. If Rush have "taught" me anything, it's to "Wish them well," and just let things go, which is something that people up North are a lot better able to do than southerners.Well, there's that whole "War of Northern Aggression" thing....and there was a Fugitive Slave Act compelling them to return humans into bondage down south. Another thread headed to SOCN?Probably should have been there from the start... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies. Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book. Exactly, because sticking to your convictions, always giving 100%, not giving in to those who would drag you down to their level, trying to get others around to work harder instead freeload off of the system are horrible, horrible characteristics for any of us. Do you know anything about Rand the person at all?She wasn't nice. Yes, I am aware she wasn't nice, she was quite a bitch from what I have read. How does that make her ideas of living with integrity and honesty, striving to do your best all the time, not being beholden to anyone nor expecting anyone to be beholden to you, bad ideas?Because once you acknowledge the kind of person she was you cannot then connect her to the virtues of integrity and honesty. My point being that if she couldn't follow her philosophy herself then why should anyone else give them credence as being practical? Well, you can apply this reasoning to any philosopher, artist, politician, or any other person of significance, living or dead. Save Mother Teresa, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies. Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book. And anyone with this opinion is a douche in mine. I respect your right to read this rubbish but once you give any credence to the utter tripe contained within her infantile tomes then man, really, I have to say that reflects negatively on your credibility. And once you've dismissed an idea because of a person who forwarded it, you've lost all credibility. I don't really think that's what tony did. he's done the research, he's read rand's work. he's not an american libertarian or republican voter (not sure if this is TMI or not so if tony wants me to remove this info, tell me), so of course he doesn't find much to love about ayn rand. he's not being a troll here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antiquark Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I like arguing with Randroids, it's like shooting fish in a barrel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies. Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book. And anyone with this opinion is a douche in mine. I respect your right to read this rubbish but once you give any credence to the utter tripe contained within her infantile tomes then man, really, I have to say that reflects negatively on your credibility. And once you've dismissed an idea because of a person who forwarded it, you've lost all credibility. I don't really think that's what tony did. he's done the research, he's read rand's work. he's not an american libertarian or republican voter (not sure if this is TMI or not so if tony wants me to remove this info, tell me), so of course he doesn't find much to love about ayn rand. he's not being a troll here. http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/92605-rush-ayn-rand-and-philosophy-in-your-life/page__st__20#entry3497803 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies. Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book. And anyone with this opinion is a douche in mine. I respect your right to read this rubbish but once you give any credence to the utter tripe contained within her infantile tomes then man, really, I have to say that reflects negatively on your credibility. And once you've dismissed an idea because of a person who forwarded it, you've lost all credibility. I don't really think that's what tony did. he's done the research, he's read rand's work. he's not an american libertarian or republican voter (not sure if this is TMI or not so if tony wants me to remove this info, tell me), so of course he doesn't find much to love about ayn rand. he's not being a troll here. http://www.therushfo...20#entry3497803 he's dismissing her ideas because he thinks her ideas are stupid. that could be a little hard to grasp if you don't think any of her ideas are stupid. he decided her ideas were stupid before we were even born, he threw in that last part about her being a hypocrite and a bitch, I'm guessing, to upset the randians here. can't call it trolling because it's too easy. he does raise a good point - it's hard to take someone who wants to completely get rid of welfare seriously when they collected money from the government with no problem. of course, randians will say the gov't already stole that money from her anyway so she was just getting her cash back, because everybody knows all taxation of any sort is THEFT by VIOLENT FORCE... so arguing about this won't go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies. Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book. And anyone with this opinion is a douche in mine. I respect your right to read this rubbish but once you give any credence to the utter tripe contained within her infantile tomes then man, really, I have to say that reflects negatively on your credibility. And once you've dismissed an idea because of a person who forwarded it, you've lost all credibility. I don't really think that's what tony did. he's done the research, he's read rand's work. he's not an american libertarian or republican voter (not sure if this is TMI or not so if tony wants me to remove this info, tell me), so of course he doesn't find much to love about ayn rand. he's not being a troll here. http://www.therushfo...20#entry3497803 he's dismissing her ideas because he thinks her ideas are stupid. that could be a little hard to grasp if you don't think any of her ideas are stupid. he decided her ideas were stupid before we were even born, he threw in that last part about her being a hypocrite and a bitch, I'm guessing, to upset the randians here. can't call it trolling because it's too easy. he does raise a good point - it's hard to take someone who wants to completely get rid of welfare seriously when they collected money from the government with no problem. of course, randians will say the gov't already stole that money from her anyway so she was just getting her cash back, because everybody knows all taxation of any sort is THEFT by VIOLENT FORCE... so arguing about this won't go anywhere. It's easy to dismiss concepts based on the people who believe them if you're illogical and don't care about honest discussions. But if he has actual arguments against her positions, I must have missed it. Edited April 2, 2015 by LedRush 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies. Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book. And anyone with this opinion is a douche in mine. I respect your right to read this rubbish but once you give any credence to the utter tripe contained within her infantile tomes then man, really, I have to say that reflects negatively on your credibility. And once you've dismissed an idea because of a person who forwarded it, you've lost all credibility. I don't really think that's what tony did. he's done the research, he's read rand's work. he's not an american libertarian or republican voter (not sure if this is TMI or not so if tony wants me to remove this info, tell me), so of course he doesn't find much to love about ayn rand. he's not being a troll here. http://www.therushfo...20#entry3497803 he's dismissing her ideas because he thinks her ideas are stupid. that could be a little hard to grasp if you don't think any of her ideas are stupid. he decided her ideas were stupid before we were even born, he threw in that last part about her being a hypocrite and a bitch, I'm guessing, to upset the randians here. can't call it trolling because it's too easy. he does raise a good point - it's hard to take someone who wants to completely get rid of welfare seriously when they collected money from the government with no problem. of course, randians will say the gov't already stole that money from her anyway so she was just getting her cash back, because everybody knows all taxation of any sort is THEFT by VIOLENT FORCE... so arguing about this won't go anywhere. It's easy to dismiss concepts based on the people who believe them if you're illogical and don't care about honest discussions. But if he has actual arguments against her positions, I must have missed it.He may have them but he's too busy trolling here to make them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies. Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book. And anyone with this opinion is a douche in mine. I respect your right to read this rubbish but once you give any credence to the utter tripe contained within her infantile tomes then man, really, I have to say that reflects negatively on your credibility. And once you've dismissed an idea because of a person who forwarded it, you've lost all credibility. I don't really think that's what tony did. he's done the research, he's read rand's work. he's not an american libertarian or republican voter (not sure if this is TMI or not so if tony wants me to remove this info, tell me), so of course he doesn't find much to love about ayn rand. he's not being a troll here. http://www.therushfo...20#entry3497803 he's dismissing her ideas because he thinks her ideas are stupid. that could be a little hard to grasp if you don't think any of her ideas are stupid. he decided her ideas were stupid before we were even born, he threw in that last part about her being a hypocrite and a bitch, I'm guessing, to upset the randians here. can't call it trolling because it's too easy. he does raise a good point - it's hard to take someone who wants to completely get rid of welfare seriously when they collected money from the government with no problem. of course, randians will say the gov't already stole that money from her anyway so she was just getting her cash back, because everybody knows all taxation of any sort is THEFT by VIOLENT FORCE... so arguing about this won't go anywhere. It's easy to dismiss concepts based on the people who believe them if you're illogical and don't care about honest discussions. But if he has actual arguments against her positions, I must have missed it. it's also easy to type a non-response that sort of seems smart until you actually read it. :) maybe if I use capital letters people will think I'm saying something when I'm saying nothing, too! :D :D no one's dismissing ayn rand's ideas simply because they're ayn rand's ideas. his point is that it's hard to take her philosophy seriously when she often went against her philosophy. it's also hard to take john lennon seriously when he's preaching about no possessions when the dude would buy every seat on a plane just for himself. one of us has to be misunderstanding the other because I don't think that's very hard to grasp at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies. Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book. And anyone with this opinion is a douche in mine. I respect your right to read this rubbish but once you give any credence to the utter tripe contained within her infantile tomes then man, really, I have to say that reflects negatively on your credibility. And once you've dismissed an idea because of a person who forwarded it, you've lost all credibility. I don't really think that's what tony did. he's done the research, he's read rand's work. he's not an american libertarian or republican voter (not sure if this is TMI or not so if tony wants me to remove this info, tell me), so of course he doesn't find much to love about ayn rand. he's not being a troll here. http://www.therushfo...20#entry3497803 he's dismissing her ideas because he thinks her ideas are stupid. that could be a little hard to grasp if you don't think any of her ideas are stupid. he decided her ideas were stupid before we were even born, he threw in that last part about her being a hypocrite and a bitch, I'm guessing, to upset the randians here. can't call it trolling because it's too easy. he does raise a good point - it's hard to take someone who wants to completely get rid of welfare seriously when they collected money from the government with no problem. of course, randians will say the gov't already stole that money from her anyway so she was just getting her cash back, because everybody knows all taxation of any sort is THEFT by VIOLENT FORCE... so arguing about this won't go anywhere. It's easy to dismiss concepts based on the people who believe them if you're illogical and don't care about honest discussions. But if he has actual arguments against her positions, I must have missed it.He may have them but he's too busy trolling here to make them. anybody who leans left of ron paul is merely a troll, paid for by the state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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