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@savage: a lot of folks mean that it's 70s "in spirit."

 

I believe ledrush was the first dude to say that months and months ago in another poll that was similar to this one, but he was just saying that because he hates most 80s music

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It was purposefully released on Midnight January 1, 1980 so that it would be the first album released in the 80's.

 

70's.

 

Yes, which means that it's "purposefully" a 1980's album. And release dates are usually intentional.

 

Are you arguing against yourself in your own post?

 

I personally don't give a sh**!!!

 

I missed this tour so thats all that matters. :rage: :P

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@savage: a lot of folks mean that it's 70s "in spirit."

 

I believe ledrush was the first dude to say that months and months ago in another poll that was similar to this one, but he was just saying that because he hates most 80s music

 

I understand that but the question is :

What decade does Permanent Waves REALLY belong in?

 

 

It doesn't matter what it "feels" like. The objective answer is clear.

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qXU72YvT0Ao/T22uSdSb_JI/AAAAAAAAAEM/jw--C9wXOv8/s1600/1980s.jpg

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It was purposefully released on Midnight January 1, 1980 so that it would be the first album released in the 80's.

 

70's.

 

Yes, which means that it's "purposefully" a 1980's album. And release dates are usually intentional.

 

Are you arguing against yourself in your own post?

 

I personally don't give a sh**!!!

 

I missed this tour so thats all that matters. :rage: :P

I saw it.... :)
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It was purposefully released on Midnight January 1, 1980 so that it would be the first album released in the 80's.

 

70's.

 

Yes, which means that it's "purposefully" a 1980's album. And release dates are usually intentional.

 

Are you arguing against yourself in your own post?

 

I personally don't give a sh**!!!

 

I missed this tour so thats all that matters. :rage: :P

I saw it.... :)

 

Did you see it in 1979 or 1980?

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I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?
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I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

 

http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/89732-what-decade-does-permanent-waves-really-belong-in/#entry3299129

 

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

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It was purposefully released on Midnight January 1, 1980 so that it would be the first album released in the 80's.

 

70's.

 

Yes, which means that it's "purposefully" a 1980's album. And release dates are usually intentional.

 

Are you arguing against yourself in your own post?

 

I personally don't give a sh**!!!

 

I missed this tour so thats all that matters. :rage: :P

I saw it.... :)

 

Did you see it in 1979 or 1980?

Both...
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I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

 

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

 

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

 

Eh, you have a good response there... :/

 

I don't know.

 

Movies and music are different to me. It's dependent on when they are publicly released because they are being produced mainly for public consumption.

 

Paintings are more personal...

 

Eh. You have a good point :)

 

The real question is when is the work conisdered "finished"? Usually it's not until actual release.

 

I really like your response by the way :) :) :)

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I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

 

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

 

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

 

When in 1979 was it recorded?

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I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

 

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

 

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

 

When in 1979 was it recorded?

 

It matters when it was mixed and mastered too which is part of the process. When the work was completely finished.

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The somewhat brighter production and shorter songs may make it seem like 80s Rush, but it doesn't have the cheeseball 80s synth sound. It feels 70sish to me, but I also think it's kind of a threshold thing - definitely looking back and looking forward.
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Paintings are not usually mass produced right away so...it depends with that...

 

There's just one painting and it's shown in galleries.

 

Movies and music like this are usually released in large quantities to the general public.

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I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

 

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

 

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

 

When in 1979 was it recorded?

I just know the Pre tour or whatever you call it that I saw was in August of 79. They only played TSOR and Freewill...
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I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

 

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

 

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

 

When in 1979 was it recorded?

I just know the Pre tour or whatever you call it that I saw was in August of 79. They only played TSOR and Freewill...

 

And they weren't the final versions. Different solos.

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The somewhat brighter production and shorter songs may make it seem like 80s Rush, but it doesn't have the cheeseball 80s synth sound. It feels 70sish to me, but I also think it's kind of a threshold thing - definitely looking back and looking forward.

 

i think it is half and half. Some of the songs seem to not belong on that particular album. Jacob's Ladder should have been swapped with Closer To The Heart. It fits more on AFTK than CTTH does.

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The somewhat brighter production and shorter songs may make it seem like 80s Rush, but it doesn't have the cheeseball 80s synth sound. It feels 70sish to me, but I also think it's kind of a threshold thing - definitely looking back and looking forward.

 

i think it is half and half. Some of the songs seem to not belong on that particular album. Jacob's Ladder should have been swapped with Closer To The Heart. It fits more on AFTK than CTTH does.

 

Eh. What a way to quickly knock Permanent Waves out of the #1 spot.....Closer to the Heart? No thanks...

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I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

 

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

 

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

 

Eh, you have a good response there... :/

 

I don't know.

 

Movies and music are different to me. It's dependent on when they are publicly released because they are being produced mainly for public consumption.

 

Paintings are more personal...

 

Eh. You have a good point :)

 

The real question is when is the work conisdered "finished"? Usually it's not until actual release.

 

I really like your response by the way :) :) :)

 

Thanks. :-) I guess after being in the business for a lot of years I am aware of what belongs to the artist and what belongs to the public. Rushs music for example is their own property even though their distribution rights have been given to the record companies. So when they created it would have to be when it became a product. It was influenced by what came before, which would make it a product of the 70s. The 80s hadn't happened yet, so it can't be a product of that decade.

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I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

 

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

 

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

 

When in 1979 was it recorded?

I just know the Pre tour or whatever you call it that I saw was in August of 79. They only played TSOR and Freewill...

 

So the entire album was probably recorded by then and finished?

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I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

 

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

 

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

 

Eh, you have a good response there... :/

 

I don't know.

 

Movies and music are different to me. It's dependent on when they are publicly released because they are being produced mainly for public consumption.

 

Paintings are more personal...

 

Eh. You have a good point :)

 

The real question is when is the work conisdered "finished"? Usually it's not until actual release.

 

I really like your response by the way :) :) :)

 

Thanks. :-) I guess after being in the business for a lot of years I am aware of what belongs to the artist and what belongs to the public. Rushs music for example is their own property even though their distribution rights have been given to the record companies. So when they created it would have to be when it became a product. It was influenced by what came before, which would make it a product of the 70s. The 80s hadn't happened yet, so it can't be a product of that decade.

:goodone: Deep....
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The somewhat brighter production and shorter songs may make it seem like 80s Rush, but it doesn't have the cheeseball 80s synth sound. It feels 70sish to me, but I also think it's kind of a threshold thing - definitely looking back and looking forward.

 

i think it is half and half. Some of the songs seem to not belong on that particular album. Jacob's Ladder should have been swapped with Closer To The Heart. It fits more on AFTK than CTTH does.

 

Interesting . . . as I recall, you're not a fan of Closer to the Heart. I think you're right that there's something about the atmosphere of Jacob's Ladder that allows it to snuggle in with Xanadu, maybe.

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