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  1. 1. Do you think of Permanent Waves as a 70s album or an 80s album

    • Yes - every part of the album was started and finished in the 1970s.
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    • Yes - it is more like the prog era music than the synth era music
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    • No - it was released on Jan 1, 1980, and I'm a stickler for details
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    • No - it is more like the synth era music than the prof era music
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Well for me, it's 80s all the way, both in date and in sound. One fact I like to boast about Rush is that they kicked off the decade that a lot of people consider to have the most memorable music, and not to mention such a strong testament of a song to kick it off with. Musically it sounds way closer to Moving Pictures than Hemspheres, so I will go with 80s. Though the intro videos for the Time Machine Tour seem to dictate that the band members consider it to be an album from 79 (and moving pictures being from 1980 for that matter). I personally like to look at their albums in pairs rather than quads. They have the Hard Rock, Trio-prog, Synth Prog, Classic rock, Simple Synth, Heavy Synth, Alternative, Heavy Folk Rock, and refined metal combo's. (Feedback not included, Clockwork Angels awaiting duo album name should it come).

 

I think most people think that the 80s generally had the worst music of the 1960-2000 period. By far. Compare to the brilliance of the 70s and 90s, I really don't think it's close. I haven't given much thought to the 2000s, though.

I don't know if anybody thinks this

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I mean if you wanna be ignorant and pretend like iron maiden, husker du, minutemen, saint vitus, black flag, dinosaur jr, Cocteau twins, kate bush, and a ton of other great shit never happened and the 80s were just one big huey lewis song, then I guess it would seem like the 80s sucked. but just because styx and the other rush forum darlings didn't put out anything worth a shit during that decade doesn't mean the 80s sucked
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I'd say the first part of the 1990s had some good music, but around 1995 and afterward, it's a series of boy bands and girl bands like Spice Girls. Since then the music has sucked all around insofar as the kind of music that defines any given decade. the 1980s aren't quite as embarrassing.
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I've never thought about this once, and when this thread recedes, I suspect I'll never think about it again.

 

It's a 70's album released in 1980. :huh: You think it'd have come out by mid-Dec 1979 to take advantage of Christmas, but maybe Rush was making a statement that said the 70's (and fantasy/sci-fi prog by extension) were over by releasing on Jan 1, 1980.

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there's always something good at any point in time, and the late 90s had plenty of good shit if you like hip hop, more extreme forms of metal (not for all the MOTS motley crue lovers), and other things. sure, rush put out their worst record and there wasn't a rock band around that was as good as led zeppelin or something, but you cant judge all music on what came before it. just because a band isn't as good as king crimson doesn't mean they suck
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I mean if you wanna be ignorant and pretend like iron maiden, husker du, minutemen, saint vitus, black flag, dinosaur jr, Cocteau twins, kate bush, and a ton of other great shit never happened and the 80s were just one big huey lewis song, then I guess it would seem like the 80s sucked. but just because styx and the other rush forum darlings didn't put out anything worth a shit during that decade doesn't mean the 80s sucked

 

Who is saying that. Reading comprehension is important.

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"I think most people think that the 80s generally had the worst music of the 1960-2000 period. By far. Compare to the brilliance of the 70s and 90s, I really don't think it's close." - LedRush
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Well for me, it's 80s all the way, both in date and in sound. One fact I like to boast about Rush is that they kicked off the decade that a lot of people consider to have the most memorable music, and not to mention such a strong testament of a song to kick it off with. Musically it sounds way closer to Moving Pictures than Hemspheres, so I will go with 80s. Though the intro videos for the Time Machine Tour seem to dictate that the band members consider it to be an album from 79 (and moving pictures being from 1980 for that matter). I personally like to look at their albums in pairs rather than quads. They have the Hard Rock, Trio-prog, Synth Prog, Classic rock, Simple Synth, Heavy Synth, Alternative, Heavy Folk Rock, and refined metal combo's. (Feedback not included, Clockwork Angels awaiting duo album name should it come).

 

I think most people think that the 80s generally had the worst music of the 1960-2000 period. By far. Compare to the brilliance of the 70s and 90s, I really don't think it's close. I haven't given much thought to the 2000s, though.

I don't know if anybody thinks this

 

I've never heard someone not say it, but I used hedging languange in case some people hold the other view.

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Well for me, it's 80s all the way, both in date and in sound. One fact I like to boast about Rush is that they kicked off the decade that a lot of people consider to have the most memorable music, and not to mention such a strong testament of a song to kick it off with. Musically it sounds way closer to Moving Pictures than Hemspheres, so I will go with 80s. Though the intro videos for the Time Machine Tour seem to dictate that the band members consider it to be an album from 79 (and moving pictures being from 1980 for that matter). I personally like to look at their albums in pairs rather than quads. They have the Hard Rock, Trio-prog, Synth Prog, Classic rock, Simple Synth, Heavy Synth, Alternative, Heavy Folk Rock, and refined metal combo's. (Feedback not included, Clockwork Angels awaiting duo album name should it come).

 

I think most people think that the 80s generally had the worst music of the 1960-2000 period. By far. Compare to the brilliance of the 70s and 90s, I really don't think it's close. I haven't given much thought to the 2000s, though.

I don't know if anybody thinks this

 

I've never heard someone not say it, but I used hedging languange in case some people hold the other view.

eh I guess I'm just different - a lot of my favorite albums are from the 80s, for me it was the best time for punk, metal, pop, a lot of good shit.

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Well for me, it's 80s all the way, both in date and in sound. One fact I like to boast about Rush is that they kicked off the decade that a lot of people consider to have the most memorable music, and not to mention such a strong testament of a song to kick it off with. Musically it sounds way closer to Moving Pictures than Hemspheres, so I will go with 80s. Though the intro videos for the Time Machine Tour seem to dictate that the band members consider it to be an album from 79 (and moving pictures being from 1980 for that matter). I personally like to look at their albums in pairs rather than quads. They have the Hard Rock, Trio-prog, Synth Prog, Classic rock, Simple Synth, Heavy Synth, Alternative, Heavy Folk Rock, and refined metal combo's. (Feedback not included, Clockwork Angels awaiting duo album name should it come).

 

I think most people think that the 80s generally had the worst music of the 1960-2000 period. By far. Compare to the brilliance of the 70s and 90s, I really don't think it's close. I haven't given much thought to the 2000s, though.

 

i don't think most people think that, just as i don't think most people share a lot of your musical views. as far as i'm concerned, each successive decade post-70's has become more and more bleak musically. and i do actually think there was some brilliant music in the 90's, but it was generally non mainstream genres like ambient, shoegaze and trip-hop, but even those by the mid 90's were losing their luster. popular music from the 90's, outside of the rare exception, pretty much sucked. at least popular music in the 80's was fun, if lightweight. popular music in the 90's was just kind of a downer, and popular music post-90's is pretty vapid.

 

I was speaking about popular music from a rock standpoint. The 70s and 90s were dominated by popular rock bands, while the 80s had excellent rock bands often obscured by bland pop. You only need to listen to classic rock stations, which draw the majority of their music from 1967-1977 and 1990-95. Sure, there's great 80s thrown in, but that wasn't the norm like in the periods I highlight above.

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Well for me, it's 80s all the way, both in date and in sound. One fact I like to boast about Rush is that they kicked off the decade that a lot of people consider to have the most memorable music, and not to mention such a strong testament of a song to kick it off with. Musically it sounds way closer to Moving Pictures than Hemspheres, so I will go with 80s. Though the intro videos for the Time Machine Tour seem to dictate that the band members consider it to be an album from 79 (and moving pictures being from 1980 for that matter). I personally like to look at their albums in pairs rather than quads. They have the Hard Rock, Trio-prog, Synth Prog, Classic rock, Simple Synth, Heavy Synth, Alternative, Heavy Folk Rock, and refined metal combo's. (Feedback not included, Clockwork Angels awaiting duo album name should it come).

 

I think most people think that the 80s generally had the worst music of the 1960-2000 period. By far. Compare to the brilliance of the 70s and 90s, I really don't think it's close. I haven't given much thought to the 2000s, though.

 

i don't think most people think that, just as i don't think most people share a lot of your musical views. as far as i'm concerned, each successive decade post-70's has become more and more bleak musically. and i do actually think there was some brilliant music in the 90's, but it was generally non mainstream genres like ambient, shoegaze and trip-hop, but even those by the mid 90's were losing their luster. popular music from the 90's, outside of the rare exception, pretty much sucked. at least popular music in the 80's was fun, if lightweight. popular music in the 90's was just kind of a downer, and popular music post-90's is pretty vapid.

 

I was speaking about popular music from a rock standpoint. The 70s and 90s were dominated by popular rock bands, while the 80s had excellent rock bands often obscured by bland pop. You only need to listen to classic rock stations, which draw the majority of their music from 1967-1977 and 1990-95. Sure, there's great 80s thrown in, but that wasn't the norm like in the periods I highlight above.

oh I thought you meant everything in the 80s was worse than 70s/90s

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I've never heard someone not say it, but ...

That phrase will cause a brain reset if you really try and interpret it.

every person ledrush meets is compelled to inform him that the 80s had the worst music

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I've never heard someone not say it, but ...

That phrase will cause a brain reset if you really try and interpret it.

every person ledrush meets is compelled to inform him that the 80s had the worst music

 

And that's all they say. Over and over and over...

 

I think we can read the implied "when asked about it" :D

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I don't even think of Moving Pictures as an 80s album. So despite never giving this any thought, I must conclude that Permanent Waves is a 70s album.

 

I sort of think of Signals as both the last 70s album and the first 80s album. But at the same time, I consider Signals the final album of the classic period. In my listening experience P/G, and not Signals, represents the more profound stylistic shift, and is a true 80s album.

 

I'm sure none of this makes any sense. I'm a historian; I'm trained to challenge simple decade-based periodization. ;)

 

I need more coffee...

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Well for me, it's 80s all the way, both in date and in sound. One fact I like to boast about Rush is that they kicked off the decade that a lot of people consider to have the most memorable music, and not to mention such a strong testament of a song to kick it off with. Musically it sounds way closer to Moving Pictures than Hemspheres, so I will go with 80s. Though the intro videos for the Time Machine Tour seem to dictate that the band members consider it to be an album from 79 (and moving pictures being from 1980 for that matter). I personally like to look at their albums in pairs rather than quads. They have the Hard Rock, Trio-prog, Synth Prog, Classic rock, Simple Synth, Heavy Synth, Alternative, Heavy Folk Rock, and refined metal combo's. (Feedback not included, Clockwork Angels awaiting duo album name should it come).

 

I think most people think that the 80s generally had the worst music of the 1960-2000 period. By far. Compare to the brilliance of the 70s and 90s, I really don't think it's close. I haven't given much thought to the 2000s, though.

 

i don't think most people think that, just as i don't think most people share a lot of your musical views. as far as i'm concerned, each successive decade post-70's has become more and more bleak musically. and i do actually think there was some brilliant music in the 90's, but it was generally non mainstream genres like ambient, shoegaze and trip-hop, but even those by the mid 90's were losing their luster. popular music from the 90's, outside of the rare exception, pretty much sucked. at least popular music in the 80's was fun, if lightweight. popular music in the 90's was just kind of a downer, and popular music post-90's is pretty vapid.

 

The 90s brought a rejuvenation of rock and roll and guitar based music into popular music after being secondary since the late 70s. 1987-89 saw a bit of a surge in this, but bands like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden, the Pumpkins, Alice in Chains, and others brought guitar and rock into prominence in the pop realm, being played on the radio incessantly and dominating the sales charts while the pop artists of the 80s all climbed into holes and died.

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I never even knew until about a year or so ago that the album was released on January 1, 1980. All I knew for most of my years as a fan is that the album came out in 1980, therefore I've always considered it an 80s album. I get more of an 80s vibe from Permanent Waves but that's probably because I've always thought of it as an 80s record. It certainly didn't sound anything like the bands previous few albums and it marked a big change in musical direction for them. Edited by J2112YYZ
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I think that because my first intro into Rush's back catalog was Chronicles, I always thought of PeW as being more closely linked to the earlier material than the synth material.
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i'll vote 80's, if for no other reason than to bug ledrush :P

 

Phew. If Rushgoober disagrees with me I know I'm right. If he said he hates Hitler, I'd have to rethink my position on that.

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I personally like to look at their albums in pairs rather than quads. They have the Hard Rock, Trio-prog, Synth Prog, Classic rock, Simple Synth, Heavy Synth, Alternative, Heavy Folk Rock, and refined metal combo's. (Feedback not included, Clockwork Angels awaiting duo album name should it come).

 

You should have named the albums that you pair together, and in which category. Assuming you've listed your "album duos" in chronological order, the albums would be paired as follows:

 

Hard Rock: Rush, Fly By Night

Trio Prog: COS, 2112

Synth Prog: AFTK, Hemispheres

Classic Rock: PeW, MP

Simple Synth: Signals, GUP

Heavy Synth: PoW, HYF

 

Here's where things get problematic:

 

Alternative: Presto, RTB

Heavy Folk Rock: Counterparts, T4E

Refined Metal: VT, Snakes & Arrows

:huh:

 

It's difficult to fit the post-HYF releases into your last three categories, even if I shuffle them around:

 

Alternative: Counterparts, T4E

Heavy Folk Rock: Snakes and Arrows

Refined Metal: Vapor Trails

 

This makes Heavy Folk Rock and Refined Metal monotypic categories, and leaves Presto and RTB unclassified.

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