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#21 Blue J

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 03:33 PM

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View PostLucas, on 22 March 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

The Camera Eye is unique in the Rush catalog .. In fact, there aren't really any songs that I can think of that are comparable or similar, from Rush or any band for that matter ..

It is upbeat in sections, but to me, there is a melancholy tone that runs thru it .... The music that sets the mood is brilliant, and I don't mean this in regards to the song itself, but there is something sad, and unresolved going on ..
I don't know what does it to you to give you that impression, but for me, it is Geddy's keyboard playing that is melancholy.  At least that's what I think it is.  it's hard to tell.  I was watching him in this video and he seemed to hold his finger down on keys to produce the sound, but I don't understand how it does that. Tried to see if he was triggering something with his foot, but it didn't look like it.

At the beginning of the song, I love the wail from Alex's guitar

Some keyboard/synth tones do produce a different sound, or a kind of fluttering that you can hear, when a particular key (or group of keys) is held down for a sustained period of time- it can be even just a few seconds.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 03:37 PM

That what it was - the fluttering parts - and i couldn't figure out how he could do that without moving his fingers.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 03:38 PM

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View PostJARG, on 22 March 2016 - 03:02 PM, said:

Sure thing, Lorraine.

That particular passage is a very sad thing for me to watch.

Why?

nm...I don't want to rain on anyone's parade.

If you really want to know, PM me.

Edited by JARG, 22 March 2016 - 03:39 PM.


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Posted 22 March 2016 - 03:42 PM

View PostLucas, on 22 March 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

The Camera Eye is unique in the Rush catalog .. In fact, there aren't really any songs that I can think of that are comparable or similar, from Rush or any band for that matter ..

It is upbeat in sections, but to me, there is a melancholy tone that runs thru it .... The music that sets the mood is brilliant, and I don't mean this in regards to the song itself, but there is something sad, and unresolved going on ..

It's a fine piece of music, for sure.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:13 PM

I'm watching the one from the Time Machine tour now.  Much better.  I can see what they are doing.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:15 PM

On the original album track, he's got a couple layers from the Oberheim OB-X synth - one playing chords, the other fades in and out with the sample/hold effect (possibly the fluttering you're talking about - sounds like random computer blips and bleeps).  The chord he keeps playing is a 'suspended' chord too, which gives it that wanting-to-resolve feeling.  Same thing he does on songs like Chemistry - that opening suspended chord hits you over the head with that unresolved feeling.  Since he's using modern synths now, he's surely just triggering samples of all this (esp. the sample/hold effect).

I love Camera Eye, definitely a showcase of unique Rush synth sounds.  One subtle thing I like is the low notes he plays during the intro after the drums come in.  They're barely noticeable unless you listen to the isolated synth track, and he only does it a couple times.  Sounds like frog farts or something.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:25 PM

I think some of the melancholy some are associating with the song could also be the lyrics, talking about a soft, English rain, to paraphrase. That gray imagery always has stuck in my mind when I listen, coupled with the New York imagery, of just steel and concrete ... more grayness. But there can be something soothing in melancholy too. And the music conveys that I think.

I do like the way Alex's guitar starts off really slow and open and almost sad, similar to La Villa. But then he goes from a solo that is almost half time to one that ramps up to almost a double time thing. That little flourish at the end - which I am assuming was an overdub because he doesn't play it live - sort of caps it off for me. Good stuff.

Edited by Wil1972, 22 March 2016 - 04:25 PM.


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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:27 PM

As long as I have your ear here :lol: , I'm watching Time Machine now like I said.  

Witch Hunt - immediately after Geddy sings the last line of the song - Alex starts playing something I never noticed before on the song.  I don't hear it on the album cut at all.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:29 PM

The Westminster Abbey tolling bell at the end of the song caps it off.  I always found them sad-sounding for some reason.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:56 PM

Any videos of them doing The Camera Eye before 2000?

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:08 PM

I love the bass line in the Camera Eye especially in the lead jam :guitar: :musicnote:  :rush: :yes:

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:09 PM

There is a Signals tour video on YouTube that's got Camera Eye, although it doesn't help if you're trying to watch their playing close up (kind of far audience footage).  I believe if you search on 'rush camera eye live 1982' you should find it.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:12 PM

View PostCrimsonmistymemory, on 22 March 2016 - 05:08 PM, said:

I love the bass line in the Camera Eye especially in the lead jam :guitar: :musicnote:  :rush: :yes:
When I was watching the Time Machine video, I saw Geddy do something at the beginning of the song I've never seen him do before on any other song - holding down the strings at the base of the arm.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:13 PM

View PostLeChuck, on 22 March 2016 - 05:09 PM, said:

There is a Signals tour video on YouTube that's got Camera Eye, although it doesn't help if you're trying to watch their playing close up (kind of far audience footage).  I believe if you search on 'rush camera eye live 1982' you should find it.

I will look through my bootleg videos and see what I have.  I have dial-up.  

  I don't know why they didn't include it on Exit...Stage Left.

Edited by Lorraine, 22 March 2016 - 05:14 PM.


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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:13 PM

View PostLorraine, on 22 March 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

View PostCrimsonmistymemory, on 22 March 2016 - 05:08 PM, said:

I love the bass line in the Camera Eye especially in the lead jam :guitar: :musicnote:  :rush: :yes:
When I was watching the Time Machine video, I saw Geddy do something at the beginning of the song I've never seen him do before on any other song - holding down the strings at the base of the arm.
And by "arm", you mean "neck", I presume?

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:16 PM

View PostJARG, on 22 March 2016 - 05:13 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 22 March 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

View PostCrimsonmistymemory, on 22 March 2016 - 05:08 PM, said:

I love the bass line in the Camera Eye especially in the lead jam :guitar: :musicnote:  :rush: :yes:
When I was watching the Time Machine video, I saw Geddy do something at the beginning of the song I've never seen him do before on any other song - holding down the strings at the base of the arm.
And by "arm", you mean "neck", I presume?
Yes.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:27 PM

View PostBlue J, on 22 March 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

From a drummer's perspective...I don't know if I'm an exception or not, but I rarely know where to come in by counting. Sometimes, yes, in some passages. But as far as The Camera Eye is concerned- I think it's really hard to count, especially during the intro to that song, with what the keyboard is doing, before the guitar or the drums come in. But I've listened to it enough times, I know every segment of the intro well enough, that I can just feel the rhythm before it hits.

It is very subtle, in that one. But that's the best way I can describe it. It isn't a matter of counting. I can just feel it coming.
That's very much how you learn and play Rush. You simply have to listen over and over and absorb it so it's second nature. Trying to keep count, especially with the crazy time signature changes, is harder than Calculus. The beginning riff of YYZ for example.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:35 PM

If you really love the song, see if you can find the one from the bootleg "Countdown To London - 5/21/83" and listen to the very end before the bells start tolling.  Geddy extends his last keyboard notes quite a bit.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 06:31 PM

I'd love to know how he played this on the Moving Pictures / Exit Stage Left tours, since the OB-X synth was off to his left where there's no microphone.  There's also the trick of getting those sample/hold (blippity bloopity) parts to fade in and out.  This might be doable with a foot pedal on the back though.  Certainly this song got easier to play with the new synth/mic arrangements on the Signals tour.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 06:40 PM

View PostLeChuck, on 22 March 2016 - 06:31 PM, said:

I'd love to know how he played this on the Moving Pictures / Exit Stage Left tours, since the OB-X synth was off to his left where there's no microphone.  There's also the trick of getting those sample/hold (blippity bloopity) parts to fade in and out.  This might be doable with a foot pedal on the back though.  Certainly this song got easier to play with the new synth/mic arrangements on the Signals tour.

LeChuck, do you have the audio bootlegs from that tour?  They played it rather well.




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