Disembodied Spirit Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all This is entirely free and just for fun. No gambling whatsoever. The only purpose of this is to laugh at your fellow TRFers as their teams get upset by some team they never paid any mind to :fury: No money involved. I don't think TRF should be a gambling portal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I think the reason MI State didn't get a #1 seed is due to their RPI which was 11. Virginia and the other #1's had single digits.Yeah, that's probably the reason, but that just means the committee isn't very smart, for a couple of reasons. The most important is that they use the RPI in the first place. Any system that doesn't use margin of victory is incredibly flawed. The second is that they don't seem to notice that the Spartans' best player was gone for three of their losses, and realize it isn't the same team that has romped through the Big Ten during the second half. kenpom, which is the gold standard of numerical analysis for college basketball, has Sparty 3rd, ahead of UNC and Oregon. I would hope that would be taken more seriously than the RPI, where you can lose RPI points just for playing a lesser team, even if you beat them 120-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I think the reason MI State didn't get a #1 seed is due to their RPI which was 11. Virginia and the other #1's had single digits.Yeah, that's probably the reason, but that just means the committee isn't very smart, for a couple of reasons. The most important is that they use the RPI in the first place. Any system that doesn't use margin of victory is incredibly flawed. The second is that they don't seem to notice that the Spartans' best player was gone for three of their losses, and realize it isn't the same team that has romped through the Big Ten during the second half. kenpom, which is the gold standard of numerical analysis for college basketball, has Sparty 3rd, ahead of UNC and Oregon. I would hope that would be taken more seriously than the RPI, where you can lose RPI points just for playing a lesser team, even if you beat them 120-5.College basketball has it right. No need to overvalue blowouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Rd2 Swt16 Elite8 Final4 Final Champ 1 in1S Kansas 96.9 75.5 57.4 37.3 25.8 15.2 71MW Virginia 96.2 77.9 54.5 34.2 21.4 13.2 82MW Michigan St. 92.2 75.0 55.8 32.4 19.8 11.9 81E North Carolina 95.6 76.6 48.4 32.3 17.6 10.3 102S Villanova 89.9 63.3 40.3 21.9 13.8 7.2 142W Oklahoma 83.7 61.6 37.3 22.6 10.9 5.1 191W Oregon 95.6 65.0 41.5 23.0 10.6 4.7 213E West Virginia 70.1 52.9 34.5 17.5 8.4 4.4 234E Kentucky 83.2 51.9 25.8 15.4 7.2 3.6 272E Xavier 86.4 55.7 29.5 12.5 5.0 2.2 465MW Purdue 71.4 43.1 18.4 9.0 4.3 2.0 493W Texas A&M 83.6 46.5 24.2 12.8 5.2 2.0 496W Texas 76.4 42.8 22.5 12.0 5.0 2.0 513S Miami FL 86.7 44.8 20.3 8.7 4.4 1.8 565E Indiana 81.9 40.0 17.3 9.1 3.7 1.6 624MW Iowa St. 75.2 39.0 15.2 6.8 3.0 1.3 794W Duke 72.3 39.9 18.7 8.6 3.2 1.1 896S Arizona 51.5 27.7 12.3 5.1 2.6 1.0 997S Iowa 76.2 29.9 14.4 5.7 2.7 1.0 994S California 68.8 39.3 13.5 5.6 2.6 0.9 1095W Baylor 60.7 33.5 15.4 6.9 2.5 0.9 1165S Maryland 72.6 39.9 13.4 5.4 2.4 0.9 11711S Wichita St. 30.6 17.1 7.9 3.5 1.8 0.7 1356MW Seton Hall 51.4 30.2 11.1 4.0 1.5 0.6 1769S Connecticut 65.1 18.0 9.5 3.8 1.7 0.6 1783MW Utah 75.2 36.1 12.5 4.2 1.5 0.5 19011MW Gonzaga 48.6 27.9 9.9 3.4 1.3 0.5 2179W Cincinnati 54.5 19.8 9.4 3.7 1.1 0.3 2947E Wisconsin 56.2 24.6 10.2 3.2 1.0 0.3 32310W VCU 58.8 20.9 8.3 3.3 0.9 0.3 38914E S. F. Austin 29.9 17.0 7.7 2.4 0.7 0.2 43711S Vanderbilt 17.9 8.5 3.2 1.2 0.5 0.2 5938W Saint Joseph's 45.5 14.8 6.4 2.3 0.6 0.2 6166E Notre Dame 56.1 18.1 7.4 2.1 0.5 0.2 64012W Yale 39.3 17.6 6.3 2.2 0.6 0.2 64810MW Syracuse 54.7 13.3 5.7 1.5 0.5 0.1 77510E Pittsburgh 43.8 16.7 6.0 1.6 0.4 0.1 9119MW Butler 50.5 11.0 4.0 1.2 0.4 0.1 9468MW Texas Tech 49.5 10.6 3.8 1.2 0.3 0.1 10409E Providence 50.4 11.5 3.6 1.3 0.3 0.08 12038E USC 49.6 11.2 3.5 1.2 0.3 0.08 129112MW Little Rock 28.6 11.2 2.7 0.8 0.2 0.06 16887MW Dayton 45.3 9.7 3.7 0.9 0.2 0.06 17627W Oregon St. 41.2 11.8 3.7 1.2 0.3 0.06 17858S Colorado 34.9 6.2 2.3 0.6 0.2 0.04 243113S Hawaii 31.2 12.0 2.4 0.6 0.2 0.04 285711E Michigan 15.6 4.3 1.6 0.4 0.08 0.02 482613W UNC Wilmington 27.7 9.0 2.3 0.6 0.1 0.02 499111W Northern Iowa 23.6 7.1 1.9 0.5 0.1 0.02 587812S South Dakota St. 27.4 8.8 1.5 0.3 0.08 0.01 763613MW Iona 24.8 6.7 1.3 0.3 0.06 0.01 817515W CSU Bakersfield 16.3 5.7 1.4 0.3 0.05 0.008 1209910S Temple 23.8 4.5 1.0 0.2 0.04 0.007 1471613E Stony Brook 16.8 4.6 0.9 0.2 0.03 0.006 1671114MW Fresno St. 24.8 5.8 0.9 0.1 0.02 0.004 2806012E Chattanooga 18.1 3.5 0.6 0.1 0.02 0.003 3973414W Green Bay 16.4 3.5 0.7 0.1 0.02 0.002 5369615S UNC Asheville 10.1 2.4 0.4 0.05 0.009 0.001 9265815MW Middle Tennessee 7.8 2.1 0.4 0.05 0.007 0.0008 12580715E Weber St. 13.6 3.0 0.5 0.06 0.006 0.0006 15540114S Buffalo 13.3 1.9 0.2 0.03 0.004 0.0004 25408916E FCGU 3.6 0.7 0.06 0.008 0.0005 <.0001 232679616MW Hampton 3.8 0.5 0.05 0.004 0.0003 <.0001 607449716S Austin Peay 3.1 0.3 0.03 0.002 0.0002 <.0001 1350785316W Southern 3.0 0.3 0.03 0.002 <.0001 <.0001 2749381816W Holy Cross 1.4 0.1 0.006 0.0003 <.0001 <.0001 35508263216E F. Dickinson 0.8 0.07 0.004 0.0002 <.0001 <.0001 367858599 From kenpom. Edited March 14, 2016 by laughedatbytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I think the reason MI State didn't get a #1 seed is due to their RPI which was 11. Virginia and the other #1's had single digits.Yeah, that's probably the reason, but that just means the committee isn't very smart, for a couple of reasons. The most important is that they use the RPI in the first place. Any system that doesn't use margin of victory is incredibly flawed. The second is that they don't seem to notice that the Spartans' best player was gone for three of their losses, and realize it isn't the same team that has romped through the Big Ten during the second half. kenpom, which is the gold standard of numerical analysis for college basketball, has Sparty 3rd, ahead of UNC and Oregon. I would hope that would be taken more seriously than the RPI, where you can lose RPI points just for playing a lesser team, even if you beat them 120-5.College basketball has it right. No need to overvalue blowouts.There's no need to overvalue blowouts with disparate teams. And the advanced stats services have explicit limits on doing so. But point differential matters in terms of predictive value. I'll run a pool between kenpom and RPI and we'll see who wins. Risky, in a way, because there's not a 100% chance that it will do better. But run a million tournaments, and it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I think the reason MI State didn't get a #1 seed is due to their RPI which was 11. Virginia and the other #1's had single digits.Yeah, that's probably the reason, but that just means the committee isn't very smart, for a couple of reasons. The most important is that they use the RPI in the first place. Any system that doesn't use margin of victory is incredibly flawed. The second is that they don't seem to notice that the Spartans' best player was gone for three of their losses, and realize it isn't the same team that has romped through the Big Ten during the second half. kenpom, which is the gold standard of numerical analysis for college basketball, has Sparty 3rd, ahead of UNC and Oregon. I would hope that would be taken more seriously than the RPI, where you can lose RPI points just for playing a lesser team, even if you beat them 120-5.College basketball has it right. No need to overvalue blowouts.There's no need to overvalue blowouts with disparate teams. And the advanced stats services have explicit limits on doing so. But point differential matters in terms of predictive value. I'll run a pool between kenpom and RPI and we'll see who wins. Risky, in a way, because there's not a 100% chance that it will do better. But run a million tournaments, and it will.A million tournaments! :laughing guy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disembodied Spirit Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all This is entirely free and just for fun. No gambling whatsoever. The only purpose of this is to laugh at your fellow TRFers as their teams get upset by some team they never paid any mind to :fury: No money involved. I don't think TRF should be a gambling portal.So we are just picking for fun and bragging rights on the playground at recess?WOW- What a hoot .. :eyeroll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all This is entirely free and just for fun. No gambling whatsoever. The only purpose of this is to laugh at your fellow TRFers as their teams get upset by some team they never paid any mind to :fury: No money involved. I don't think TRF should be a gambling portal.So we are just picking for fun and bragging rights on the playground at recess?WOW- What a hoot .. :eyeroll:We could just play for your money. How much are you putting in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at allWho's stopping you from starting your own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all This is entirely free and just for fun. No gambling whatsoever. The only purpose of this is to laugh at your fellow TRFers as their teams get upset by some team they never paid any mind to :fury: No money involved. I don't think TRF should be a gambling portal.So we are just picking for fun and bragging rights on the playground at recess?WOW- What a hoot .. :eyeroll: There are plenty of sites out there for gambling March Madness brackets or you can do that IRL at the workplace or something. TRF is not one of those places. Don't like it, you don't have to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Coming in here to complain that we aren't betting money seems like a waste of time. We're here to have fun and if you aren't having fun then why are you here? (Because we're here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disembodied Spirit Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Sorry I thought there were some adults in here. A true fan will put his $$ where his picks are.Continue on with your amateur frat boy Pick Em.Did not realize Midwesterners did not gamble. I'll go sit at the adult table now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disembodied Spirit Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all This is entirely free and just for fun. No gambling whatsoever. The only purpose of this is to laugh at your fellow TRFers as their teams get upset by some team they never paid any mind to :fury: No money involved. I don't think TRF should be a gambling portal.So we are just picking for fun and bragging rights on the playground at recess?WOW- What a hoot .. :eyeroll:We could just play for your money. How much are you putting in?Let's go $250 a bracket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all This is entirely free and just for fun. No gambling whatsoever. The only purpose of this is to laugh at your fellow TRFers as their teams get upset by some team they never paid any mind to :fury: No money involved. I don't think TRF should be a gambling portal.So we are just picking for fun and bragging rights on the playground at recess?WOW- What a hoot .. :eyeroll:We could just play for your money. How much are you putting in?Let's go $250 a bracket?If you're putting in $250 a bracket, how many times can I enter? Since it's your money, the decent thing to do is ask... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disembodied Spirit Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all This is entirely free and just for fun. No gambling whatsoever. The only purpose of this is to laugh at your fellow TRFers as their teams get upset by some team they never paid any mind to :fury: No money involved. I don't think TRF should be a gambling portal.So we are just picking for fun and bragging rights on the playground at recess?WOW- What a hoot .. :eyeroll:We could just play for your money. How much are you putting in?Let's go $250 a bracket?If you're putting in $250 a bracket, how many times can I enter? Since it's your money, the decent thing to do is ask...$250 covers MY bracket. You can enter as many times as you like.YOUR cost is $250 a bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all This is entirely free and just for fun. No gambling whatsoever. The only purpose of this is to laugh at your fellow TRFers as their teams get upset by some team they never paid any mind to :fury: No money involved. I don't think TRF should be a gambling portal.So we are just picking for fun and bragging rights on the playground at recess?WOW- What a hoot .. :eyeroll:We could just play for your money. How much are you putting in?Let's go $250 a bracket?If you're putting in $250 a bracket, how many times can I enter? Since it's your money, the decent thing to do is ask...$250 covers MY bracket. You can enter as many times as you like.YOUR cost is $250 a bracket.I don't gamble. Sorry. But I will play for your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Sorry I thought there were some adults in here. A true fan will put his $$ where his picks are.Continue on with your amateur frat boy Pick Em.Did not realize Midwesterners did not gamble. I'll go sit at the adult table now. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disembodied Spirit Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all This is entirely free and just for fun. No gambling whatsoever. The only purpose of this is to laugh at your fellow TRFers as their teams get upset by some team they never paid any mind to :fury: No money involved. I don't think TRF should be a gambling portal.So we are just picking for fun and bragging rights on the playground at recess?WOW- What a hoot .. :eyeroll:We could just play for your money. How much are you putting in?Let's go $250 a bracket?If you're putting in $250 a bracket, how many times can I enter? Since it's your money, the decent thing to do is ask...$250 covers MY bracket. You can enter as many times as you like.YOUR cost is $250 a bracket.I don't gamble. Sorry. But I will play for your money.Someone needs to explain to you how risk vs. reward works.I'm already in a $100 bracket with 64 teams.1st place $4000/ 2nd - $1000, 3rd $750, 4th $250, 5-8 $100..tax free $ rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Is there any $$ involved?Or are we picking a bracket for free for fun. Which is actually no fun at all This is entirely free and just for fun. No gambling whatsoever. The only purpose of this is to laugh at your fellow TRFers as their teams get upset by some team they never paid any mind to :fury: No money involved. I don't think TRF should be a gambling portal.So we are just picking for fun and bragging rights on the playground at recess?WOW- What a hoot .. :eyeroll:We could just play for your money. How much are you putting in?Let's go $250 a bracket?If you're putting in $250 a bracket, how many times can I enter? Since it's your money, the decent thing to do is ask...$250 covers MY bracket. You can enter as many times as you like.YOUR cost is $250 a bracket.I don't gamble. Sorry. But I will play for your money.Someone needs to explain to you how risk vs. reward works.I'm already in a $100 bracket with 64 teams.1st place $4000/ 2nd - $1000, 3rd $750, 4th $250, 5-8 $100..tax free $ rulesIt's only what I do for a living but I'm sure I'd learn a lot from the likes of you. I'd love to hear your take on the utility theory of money and what value I would place on various options. Though if all of the players were as arrogant as you, I might play, but in that case it wouldn't be gambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Sorry I thought there were some adults in here. A true fan will put his $$ where his picks are.Continue on with your amateur frat boy Pick Em.Did not realize Midwesterners did not gamble. I'll go sit at the adult table now. A "true fan" or a gambling degenerate. Either or. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Sorry I thought there were some adults in here. A true fan will put his $$ where his picks are.Continue on with your amateur frat boy Pick Em.Did not realize Midwesterners did not gamble. I'll go sit at the adult table now. A "true fan" or a gambling degenerate. Either or.A true fan doesn't have to have a monetary interest in the game in order to watch it. Not that I care what DS thinks about anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disembodied Spirit Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Sorry I thought there were some adults in here. A true fan will put his $$ where his picks are.Continue on with your amateur frat boy Pick Em.Did not realize Midwesterners did not gamble. I'll go sit at the adult table now. A "true fan" or a gambling degenerate. Either or.A true fan doesn't have to have a monetary interest in the game in order to watch it. Not that I care what DS thinks about anything.Not that I care what Laughing gas thinks either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Sorry I thought there were some adults in here. A true fan will put his $$ where his picks are.Continue on with your amateur frat boy Pick Em.Did not realize Midwesterners did not gamble. I'll go sit at the adult table now. A "true fan" or a gambling degenerate. Either or.A true fan doesn't have to have a monetary interest in the game in order to watch it. Not that I care what DS thinks about anything.Not that I care what Laughing gas thinks either.You write your own material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disembodied Spirit Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Sorry I thought there were some adults in here. A true fan will put his $$ where his picks are.Continue on with your amateur frat boy Pick Em.Did not realize Midwesterners did not gamble. I'll go sit at the adult table now. A "true fan" or a gambling degenerate. Either or.A true fan doesn't have to have a monetary interest in the game in order to watch it. Not that I care what DS thinks about anything.Not that I care what Laughing gas thinks either.You write your own material?Please...No way I AM that talented.I steal from a guy who trades penny stocks in Minnesota. He's a blast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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