Official PGA Tour Thread

[theredtamasrule]

The ball moved BACKWARD. The double speak nonsense from the officials and David Fey was exactly what's wrong with golf. Make a f***ing ruling and stick to it. Either the referees can make a decision or they can't. You can't pull that bullshit at the US Open. I would have refused to hit another shot until a decision was made. That whole scene was absurd to the highest degree.

 

Incredible win by DJ to play through that mind f**k thrown at him.

[alphseeker]

The ball moved BACKWARD. The double speak nonsense from the officials and David Fey was exactly what's wrong with golf. Make a f***ing ruling and stick to it. Either the referees can make a decision or they can't. You can't pull that bullshit at the US Open. I would have refused to hit another shot until a decision was made. That whole scene was absurd to the highest degree.

 

Incredible win by DJ to play through that mind f**k thrown at him.

Thank you, that's the point that everyone is trying to make!!!!!!! It's not whether he did it or not, the USGA should make a damn ruling on the spot and stick to it. If you don't have the video evidence yet then screw you USGA and your own damn incompetency, make the call, even The Bear says so. They called into question a players honor over some grainy video that didn't show jacks***. Well now their honor is being questioned and rightly so.

The Guardian: "It also could never possibly be proven, that Johnson’s laying of a putter adjacent to the ball meant it changed position by a matter of millimetres. Where, legitimately, could this allegation end? That someone’s size 12 feet forced a change in ball position while they were walking around to line up a putt? A lawyer would drive coach and horses through the USGA’s assumption – and it was an assumption – just as a player such as Spieth would inevitably have vehemently challenged it even in victory."

 

USGA should be kissing NBA's arse today - If it wasn't for a game 7 thriller yesterday every sports show would be skewering them right now.

Edited June 20, 2016 by alphseeker

[GabesCavesOfIce]

The ball moved BACKWARD. The double speak nonsense from the officials and David Fey was exactly what's wrong with golf. Make a f***ing ruling and stick to it. Either the referees can make a decision or they can't. You can't pull that bullshit at the US Open. I would have refused to hit another shot until a decision was made. That whole scene was absurd to the highest degree.

 

Incredible win by DJ to play through that mind f**k thrown at him.

Thank you, that's the point that everyone is trying to make!!!!!!! It's not whether he did it or not, the USGA should make a damn ruling on the spot and stick to it. If you don't have the video evidence yet then screw you USGA and your own damn incompetency, make the call, even The Bear says so. They called into question a players honor over some grainy video that didn't show jacks***. Well now their honor is being questioned and rightly so.

The Guardian: "It also could never possibly be proven, that Johnson’s laying of a putter adjacent to the ball meant it changed position by a matter of millimetres. Where, legitimately, could this allegation end? That someone’s size 12 feet forced a change in ball position while they were walking around to line up a putt? A lawyer would drive coach and horses through the USGA’s assumption – and it was an assumption – just as a player such as Spieth would inevitably have vehemently challenged it even in victory."

 

USGA should be kissing NBA's arse today - If it wasn't for a game 7 thriller yesterday every sports show would be skewering them right now.

 

 

The point is, the player needs to make the call in golf, not the ref. Since this was picked up on video, and DJ proclaimed to know nothing, the USGAs only recourse was to show him the video.

 

Grounding the clubs multiple times, practice swinging could make the ball oscillate in either direction. Those are the rules and DJ was careless, yet everyone is giving gim a pass cuz they hate the rule.

 

 

I wouldnt quote Speith, he got the new rule completely wrong in his tweet. Can you imagine being that wrong in your job? And walking near the ball is not an issue, if the club is grounded near the ball is a major criteria in this case got DJ in trouble.

[alphseeker]

The ball moved BACKWARD. The double speak nonsense from the officials and David Fey was exactly what's wrong with golf. Make a f***ing ruling and stick to it. Either the referees can make a decision or they can't. You can't pull that bullshit at the US Open. I would have refused to hit another shot until a decision was made. That whole scene was absurd to the highest degree.

 

Incredible win by DJ to play through that mind f**k thrown at him.

Thank you, that's the point that everyone is trying to make!!!!!!! It's not whether he did it or not, the USGA should make a damn ruling on the spot and stick to it. If you don't have the video evidence yet then screw you USGA and your own damn incompetency, make the call, even The Bear says so. They called into question a players honor over some grainy video that didn't show jacks***. Well now their honor is being questioned and rightly so.

The Guardian: "It also could never possibly be proven, that Johnson’s laying of a putter adjacent to the ball meant it changed position by a matter of millimetres. Where, legitimately, could this allegation end? That someone’s size 12 feet forced a change in ball position while they were walking around to line up a putt? A lawyer would drive coach and horses through the USGA’s assumption – and it was an assumption – just as a player such as Spieth would inevitably have vehemently challenged it even in victory."

 

USGA should be kissing NBA's arse today - If it wasn't for a game 7 thriller yesterday every sports show would be skewering them right now.

 

 

The point is, the player needs to make the call in golf, not the ref. Since this was picked up on video, and DJ proclaimed to know nothing, the USGAs only recourse was to show him the video.

 

Grounding the clubs multiple times, practice swinging could make the ball oscillate in either direction. Those are the rules and DJ was careless, yet everyone is giving gim a pass cuz they hate the rule.

 

 

I wouldnt quote Speith, he got the new rule completely wrong in his tweet. Can you imagine being that wrong in your job? And walking near the ball is not an issue, if the club is grounded near the ball is a major criteria in this case got DJ in trouble.

Sorry there is nowhere in the rules that says we are not going to tell you the score until the round is complete. It's like telling the an NHL team in game 7 that your last goal may or may not have counted so we will let you know after the game. Plain and simple they should have made a call on the spot. I'm sorry that you and the perhaps 1% of the population disagree but when Jack Nicklaus says you got screwed then you know something is up - Edited June 20, 2016 by alphseeker

[goose]

 

 

Perhaps the rule needs to be absolutely specific, if the putter moves within an inch of the ball(in this case it was much closer), and the ball moves within three seconds, its deemed the player caused it.

 

Even if he didn't? Once a ball has been marked and replaced, and this happens, a player should be required to mark and replace the ball again. That is all.

[alphseeker]

Executive Director/ CEO admits their ruling created uncertainty and it was unfair not to have a definitive ruling. He said Although we feel it was the right ruling it was not an honorable ruling.

[goose]

Executive Director/ CEO admits their ruling created uncertainty and it was unfair not to have a definitive ruling. He said Although we feel it was the right ruling it was not an honorable ruling.

Golf needs to get over itself, already. Like the signing of the incorrect score card at the PGA level. Why would that not be a correctable error?

[GabesCavesOfIce]

The rules rely on the golfer to arrive at the right decision, based on all the available evidence. Many times, it leads to extremely unfortunate situations.

 

The rule is needed as defense against improving a bad lie. Signing an improper scorecard is defense against golfers not taking the rules seriously and trying to gain an unfair advantage. Yes in this case a ball oscillating didnt really do anything, perhaps the usga needs to modify the ball movement rule on the green vs in the rough

 

Any doubt that the integrity of the sport needs these defenses, just google "tiger ball drop", and if you really want to have some fun ;) add "the players" where his liberties have been extreme, which is understandable since its run by the tour and not one of the indepedent governing bodies

[theredtamasrule]

The point to all of the outrage is the fact that the ruling was made...and then they changed their minds. I don't care if DJ squatted and took a dump. Once the rule was made it should not be allowed to change. And definitely not be allowed to MAYBE have change. That's totally unacceptable.

[goose]

The rules rely on the golfer to arrive at the right decision, based on all the available evidence. Many times, it leads to extremely unfortunate situations.

 

The rule is needed as defense against improving a bad lie. Signing an improper scorecard is defense against golfers not taking the rules seriously and trying to gain an unfair advantage. Yes in this case a ball oscillating didnt really do anything, perhaps the usga needs to modify the ball movement rule on the green vs in the rough

 

Any doubt that the integrity of the sport needs these defenses, just google "tiger ball drop", and if you really want to have some fun ;) add "the players" where his liberties have been extreme, which is understandable since its run by the tour and not one of the indepedent governing bodies

There are rules that make sense, such as the rules related to a drop, and rules that don't, such as penalizing a player for the inadvertent movement of the ball on the green. To me it is reasonable to treat the green more like the tee box, in this respect, where improving one's lie is permitted.

 

I don't need to google "tiger ball drop", or "tiger boulder impediment", for that matter. Pre-modern televised golf, many of these rules made sense. Today, they just make the USGA look petty.

[laughedatbytime]

Rules of golf? There are rules in golf? I never noticed.http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/39/c0/paulina-gretzky-dustin-johnson-getty-ftrjpg_wn5l5ez72ggz12t59zj6xgccf.jpg

[laughedatbytime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGN7201Y-rQ

[GabesCavesOfIce]

Smiling at the form fitting white dress.... again

[GabesCavesOfIce]

The rules rely on the golfer to arrive at the right decision, based on all the available evidence. Many times, it leads to extremely unfortunate situations.

 

The rule is needed as defense against improving a bad lie. Signing an improper scorecard is defense against golfers not taking the rules seriously and trying to gain an unfair advantage. Yes in this case a ball oscillating didnt really do anything, perhaps the usga needs to modify the ball movement rule on the green vs in the rough

 

Any doubt that the integrity of the sport needs these defenses, just google "tiger ball drop", and if you really want to have some fun ;) add "the players" where his liberties have been extreme, which is understandable since its run by the tour and not one of the indepedent governing bodies

There are rules that make sense, such as the rules related to a drop, and rules that don't, such as penalizing a player for the inadvertent movement of the ball on the green. To me it is reasonable to treat the green more like the tee box, in this respect, where improving one's lie is permitted.

 

I don't need to google "tiger ball drop", or "tiger boulder impediment", for that matter. Pre-modern televised golf, many of these rules made sense. Today, they just make the USGA look petty.

 

I agree, advertent, inadvertent...where to draw the line.

 

Tigers (and others) have made a mockery of the rules the other 51 weeks of the year, usga comes out blazing their one week running the show.

 

They definitely need a subsection added allowing for an oscillation on the greens.

[theredtamasrule]

And the problem with falling back on video is that most of the field is not on tv. Are televised players held to different standards than those that are not? NO. You cannot overrule the onsite referee or players (because remember: Westwood agreed that DJ did not cause the ball to move) just because there happens to be video. It's prejudicial and wrong to the whole field.

[goose]

And the problem with falling back on video is that most of the field is not on tv. Are televised players held to different standards than those that are not? NO. You cannot overrule the onsite referee or players (because remember: Westwood agreed that DJ did not cause the ball to move) just because there happens to be video. It's prejudicial and wrong to the whole field.

Remember the days when CBS viewers called in rules infractions?

[theredtamasrule]

And the problem with falling back on video is that most of the field is not on tv. Are televised players held to different standards than those that are not? NO. You cannot overrule the onsite referee or players (because remember: Westwood agreed that DJ did not cause the ball to move) just because there happens to be video. It's prejudicial and wrong to the whole field.

Remember the days when CBS viewers called in rules infractions?

 

That is the worst!

[Lost In Xanadu]

Smiling at the form fitting white dress.... again

http://nypost.com/2016/06/20/paulina-gretzky-skirt-shot-divides-the-internet/

 

 

As Dustin Johnson walked off the 18th green after winning the US Open for his first career major title, the FOX Sports broadcast followed Johnson and his young family up the Oakmont Country Club clubhouse steps.

 

And the camera held its gaze for a few extra beats on the backside of Johnson’s fiancée, Paulina Gretzky, as she navigated the stairs and the hem of her short, tight-fitting white dress.

 

The visual was more tame than the lingerie and bikini photos that adorn Gretzky’s popular Instagram feed (see here or here) — but those are exhibited by her choice. The shot’s stalker vibe did not escape the notice of some watching Sunday’s final round coverage.

 

This FOX cameraman should be embarrassed. I mean – really?! #DustinJohnson #PaulinaGretzky #USOpen https://t.co/STCsdfJj65

 

— Angelia N. Levy (@angelialevy) June 20, 2016

 

You know a man is in charge if camera following #PaulinaGretzky @DJohnsonPGA up the damn stairs

 

— jennifer kling (@klingjennifer) June 20, 2016

 

Whos more pissed off right now – wayne gretzky or the cameramans wife? #paulinagretzky

 

— Ritchie Keister (@RitchieKeister) June 20, 2016

 

Of course, there were drooling compliments, as well. A sample:

 

If golfers did their job today as well as the camera man following Paulina Gretzky up the stairs did his, this #USOpen would be a classic

 

— Clete Holmes (@Clete27) June 20, 2016

 

The real winner today is the gentleman operating Camera 1 #USOpen #PaulinaGretzky

 

— Joe Marvin (@63_Productions) June 20, 2016

 

Congrats out to @PaulinaGretzky on one heck of a walk off the 18th green today. Hope to see more of that in the future.

 

— Darren (@danglestein) June 20, 2016

[goose]

Ya know, that's a pretty typical camera shot...the walk to the clubhouse. She knew that morning she'd likely be on tv, and she chose that outfit.

[Principled Man]

Ya know, that's a pretty typical camera shot...the walk to the clubhouse. She knew that morning she'd likely be on tv, and she chose that outfit.

 

If you're suggesting that she planned the whole thing......meh.......I think that's a bit of a reach.

 

But then, I don't follow her or any other "celebutante", so what do I know??

[goose]

Ya know, that's a pretty typical camera shot...the walk to the clubhouse. She knew that morning she'd likely be on tv, and she chose that outfit.

 

If you're suggesting that she planned the whole thing......meh.......I think that's a bit of a reach.

 

But then, I don't follow her or any other "celebutante", so what do I know??

No, not saying that she planned an upskirt moment. But she did make a choice of what to be wearing in a limelight moment. Like Ricky Fowler's girlfriend did.

 

Were their clothes appropriate? If so, putting them on tv was no big deal.

[goose]

Another point: The camera man does not choose what airs. They point and shoot.

[Principled Man]

Another point: The camera man does not choose what airs. They point and shoot.

 

Like the cameramen at baseball games, in between batters, when they keep zooming back to a certain hottie in the stands?

Edited June 23, 2016 by Principled Man

[goose]

Another point: The camera man does not choose what airs. They point and shoot.

 

Like the cameramen at baseball games, in between batters, when they keep zooming back to a certain hottie in the stands?

Don't like hottie shots? Watch more Brewers games.

[Lost In Xanadu]

What a train wreck finish for Day!