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#41 Irenicus

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:02 AM

View PostJARG, on 18 January 2016 - 10:17 AM, said:

Good stuff. What date would you recommend as PW's "birthday"?
The day it was first sent out to anyone outside of the band/producer/managment, be it journalists, pressing plant, radio stations etc. In other words the day it was finished and delivered.

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:05 AM

View PostIrenicus, on 18 January 2016 - 11:02 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 18 January 2016 - 10:17 AM, said:

Good stuff. What date would you recommend as PW's "birthday"?
The day it was first sent out to anyone outside of the band/producer/managment, be it journalists, pressing plant, radio stations etc. In other words the day it was finished and delivered.
Which was?

And while you're working on that, what dates should we use to celebrate the other releases?

Edited by JARG, 18 January 2016 - 11:09 AM.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:06 AM

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View PostJARG, on 15 January 2016 - 10:04 AM, said:

View PostIrenicus, on 15 January 2016 - 04:58 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 14 January 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

View PostJohnRogers, on 14 January 2016 - 07:22 PM, said:

Albums don't have birthdays. The album physically existed before January 14th.

My daughter physically existed before her birthday. ;)
But she wasn't "finished" so to say, unlike Permanent Waves in 1979. ;)
She could easily have been delivered before the date she actually was, but that's irrelevant, since the date we celebrate her birthday is the date she was "made public". All that other stuff is just gestation and waiting around to be delivered.
It's quite simple...like baking cookies. Before it comes out of the oven, it's just batter in some form. When it comes out of the oven, it's a cookie.
Right even if the cookies at the Kebbler factory leave on trucks for stores four days later.

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:46 AM

View PostJARG, on 18 January 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:

Which was?

And while you're working on that, what dates should we use to celebrate other releases?
We don't know that date obviously.
You're just too worked up with that whole analogy thing, seriously. Albums aren't given birth to, so they don't have birthdays. It's not even a very good analogy. We can of course very well celebrate an album on its release date in case of desperate necessity for celebration, since that is the only official date we have, but it's really just a random day chosen by some random people behind a desk, not even compareable to birthdays which aren't chosen but just happen when they happen.

Also, if release dates are like birthdays, then I guess albums have more than one birthday considering that release dates aren't the same everywhere. Like in Germany, we usually get albums on Fridays, 4 days before you guys across the pond do. So the whole analogy makes even less sense than it already does.

Edited by Irenicus, 18 January 2016 - 11:55 AM.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 12:51 PM

I love love love Permenant Waves! It was the 1st  Rush album I had to go and buy when it was released. I had heard Rush music on the radio prior but this album made me sit up and take notice!
Happy Birthday (belated) Permenant Waves. :rush:
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Edited by Crimsonmistymemory, 18 January 2016 - 12:52 PM.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 04:12 PM

  • While everyone is debating what decade PW belongs to what about albums that take decades to make and what decade do they belong to for instance Chinese Democracy apart from being a pile of crap.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 04:25 PM

View PostIrenicus, on 18 January 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 18 January 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:

Which was?

And while you're working on that, what dates should we use to celebrate other releases?
We don't know that date obviously.
You're just too worked up with that whole analogy thing, seriously.

Says the person who has worked very hard to bust the analogy. It may well be the case you've written more words trying to bust it than I have to defend it! :lol:

Edited by JARG, 18 January 2016 - 04:27 PM.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 05:00 PM

Permanent Waves is a 70s album, but if folks want to give it a birthday, that's cool I guess.

But if it's not going to get presents, I don't see the point.  I have a birthday, but as near as I can make out, the only thing it's really good for is presents and cake.  Since I think I have enough junk in my life, I don't really care about getting more presents.  (I enjoy giving them, though.)  And I can have cake anytime.  Who needs an excuse for friggin' cake??*

Therefore, I don't really feel the need to have a birthday anymore.
Therefore, Permanent Waves is a 70s album.






*  "friggin'" in this context is an adjective, not a verb

Edited by toymaker, 18 January 2016 - 05:00 PM.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 05:43 PM

View Posttoymaker, on 18 January 2016 - 05:00 PM, said:

Permanent Waves is a 70s album, but if folks want to give it a birthday, that's cool I guess.

I suspect there are fans who like to celebrate the release dates of all the Rush albums. That they call that the album's birthday is fine by me. Hell, it even seems completely appropriate.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:44 AM

View PostJARG, on 18 January 2016 - 04:25 PM, said:

Says the person who has worked very hard to bust the analogy. It may well be the case you've written more words trying to bust it than I have to defend it! :lol:
I was just playing along man. But obviously even in the game of analogies you 80s guys run out of arguments quickly, if you ever had any good ones to begin with. ;)

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:24 AM

Even though Hemispheres will always be my favourite Rush album, Permanent Waves was quite a step up in terms of production and complex song writing.  Natural Science and Jacob's Ladder were miles above anything they had done, technically.  My second fave Rush album... It's on right now, youtube on the Google.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:42 PM

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View PostJohnRogers, on 14 January 2016 - 07:22 PM, said:

Albums don't have birthdays. The album physically existed before January 14th.

My daughter physically existed before her birthday. ;)

Perhaps that's why much of the world considers you 1 year old when you're born.  But the analogy isn't very useful, even though it undercuts your argument if one applies any bit of sense to it.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:44 PM

View Postgrasbo, on 18 January 2016 - 04:12 PM, said:

  • While everyone is debating what decade PW belongs to what about albums that take decades to make and what decade do they belong to for instance Chinese Democracy apart from being a pile of crap.

Just look for the year the album was completed.  In this case, 1979.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:57 PM

Permanent Waves is timeless, Permanent Waves is better than anything from Crötley Mü.

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Posted 20 January 2016 - 12:20 AM

View PostLedRush, on 19 January 2016 - 11:42 PM, said:

View PostJARG, on 14 January 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

View PostJohnRogers, on 14 January 2016 - 07:22 PM, said:

Albums don't have birthdays. The album physically existed before January 14th.

My daughter physically existed before her birthday. ;)

Perhaps that's why much of the world considers you 1 year old when you're born.  But the analogy isn't very useful, even though it undercuts your argument if one applies any bit of sense to it.

My argument is that no rational person should get butthurt when an album's release date is celebrated as its birthday.

Edited by JARG, 20 January 2016 - 12:21 AM.


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Posted 29 January 2016 - 01:52 PM

The thread was Bait! Right from its inception. I can see it in post #1, you can't fool me! Lol

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Posted 29 January 2016 - 02:19 PM

Did just hear an Entre Nous cover by John Kadlecik (founder of Grateful Dead tribute band Dark Orchestra and then joined Phil Lesh and Bob Weir for Further for several years).

I'm guessing the majority around here won't think too highly of it.  It didn't do much for me either upon 1 listen.  It is certainly stripped down and as John even comments at the end, purposely 'Deadified' so that it is hardly recognizable.

But, I figured I would post this for all of the Deadheads lurking around here

https://archive.org/...3.nickyc.flac16

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Posted 29 January 2016 - 02:27 PM

View Postapetersvt, on 29 January 2016 - 02:19 PM, said:

Did just hear an Entre Nous cover by John Kadlecik (founder of Grateful Dead tribute band Dark Orchestra and then joined Phil Lesh and Bob Weir for Further for several years).

I'm guessing the majority around here won't think too highly of it.  It didn't do much for me either upon 1 listen.  It is certainly stripped down and as John even comments at the end, purposely 'Deadified' so that it is hardly recognizable.

But, I figured I would post this for all of the Deadheads lurking around here

https://archive.org/...3.nickyc.flac16
It never ceases to amaze me how Rush songs can be adapted to other styles of music and sound authentic to that style. He did a good job.

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 08:58 AM

This thread may get resurrected for today, so I wanted to share this February 9, 1980 article from RPM Weekly Magazine (a former Canadian music magazine) re-posted on the Power Windows Tribute website below.

Intense Early Reaction to Rush's Permanent Waves

It says the actual release date is January 14, 1980.

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 09:21 PM

Rush's first 80's album!  A true gem!




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