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#41 ru_ready

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 08:21 PM

I have seen that before.... still not convinced....  sorry but you can't change my opinion of the guy.

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 08:26 PM

View Postru_ready, on 01 January 2016 - 08:21 PM, said:

I have seen that before.... still not convinced....  sorry but you can't change my opinion of the guy.
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Posted 01 January 2016 - 08:38 PM

View Postru_ready, on 01 January 2016 - 08:21 PM, said:

I have seen that before.... still not convinced....  sorry but you can't change my opinion of the guy.

Whatever....All I'm gonna say is that many moons ago, I thought he was guilty too before I read more into it.

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 10:08 PM

View Postru_ready, on 01 January 2016 - 07:11 PM, said:

myself, i couldn't give a damn about him or his "music" the guy was a child molesting sideshow as far as i could care. what is even more funny is that before his death NO BODY spoke about the washed up freak.  he dies and he is greater a person than Jesus Christ himself....

IMO he was a genuine decent loving soul who didn't fit in our fukked up World.  Misunderstood and demonized to the n-th degree.. sad.

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 10:30 PM

I thought we were talking about his musical talent and career as a performer but since the tone has changed I'm going on the record as saying I believe he was a deeply disturbed person with, at a minimum, an unhealthy obsession with children but was likely a pedophile that paid off families to avoid prosecution,  and no, I don't want to watch a film about how he wasn't.

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 08:38 AM

View PostAncient Ways, on 01 January 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

I thought we were talking about his musical talent and career as a performer but since the tone has changed I'm going on the record as saying I believe he was a deeply disturbed person with, at a minimum, an unhealthy obsession with children but was likely a pedophile that paid off families to avoid prosecution,  and no, I don't want to watch a film about how he wasn't.

So you don't want to look at new evidence that challenges your views?

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 09:04 AM

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View PostAncient Ways, on 01 January 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

I thought we were talking about his musical talent and career as a performer but since the tone has changed I'm going on the record as saying I believe he was a deeply disturbed person with, at a minimum, an unhealthy obsession with children but was likely a pedophile that paid off families to avoid prosecution,  and no, I don't want to watch a film about how he wasn't.

So you don't want to look at new evidence that challenges your views?

No. He just doesn't care enough. Which is fine, Michael Jackson presented himself in such a strange way he was always going to polarize.

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 12:23 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 02 January 2016 - 09:04 AM, said:

View Postfraroc, on 02 January 2016 - 08:38 AM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 01 January 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

I thought we were talking about his musical talent and career as a performer but since the tone has changed I'm going on the record as saying I believe he was a deeply disturbed person with, at a minimum, an unhealthy obsession with children but was likely a pedophile that paid off families to avoid prosecution,  and no, I don't want to watch a film about how he wasn't.

So you don't want to look at new evidence that challenges your views?

No. He just doesn't care enough. Which is fine, Michael Jackson presented himself in such a strange way he was always going to polarize.
As a grown man I have never had the urge to hang around young children.  Any normal person starts getting annoyed at preteens around 15 y.o. unless they're your kids and still...maybe.  Anyone that is into this has problems no matter what an investigative reporter says.  No normal person hangs their kid out of a window a couple floors off the ground.  He was obviously disturbed in some way.  Unless a psychiatrist that actually treated him has new information to release then it's conjecture.  One thing I find as you get older is your conjecture is as good as anyone else's when it's all over.  But Segue is correct, I just don't care....and he's dead.

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 12:45 PM

View Postru_ready, on 01 January 2016 - 07:11 PM, said:

myself, i couldn't give a damn about him or his "music" the guy was a child molesting sideshow as far as i could care. what is even more funny is that before his death NO BODY spoke about the washed up freak.  he dies and he is greater a person than Jesus Christ himself....

That's not uncommon and, more often than not, happens whenever anyone famous dies.

I wonder what happened to Michael Jackson though.  Was it the drugs?  And, if drugs, why drugs?  Didn't he have everything most people wish they had?  Apparently, judging from the drug overdosing deaths and suicides in the celebrity world, it isn't.

This morning I heard "Wanna Rock With You".  It's still a great song, and I find it very sad that the man that immortalized it took the route he did.

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 12:49 PM

Putting aside all the personal life stuff.  i respected his talent immensely........but on the whole he wasn't my cup of tea.

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 07:11 PM

View PostAncient Ways, on 02 January 2016 - 12:23 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 02 January 2016 - 09:04 AM, said:

View Postfraroc, on 02 January 2016 - 08:38 AM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 01 January 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

I thought we were talking about his musical talent and career as a performer but since the tone has changed I'm going on the record as saying I believe he was a deeply disturbed person with, at a minimum, an unhealthy obsession with children but was likely a pedophile that paid off families to avoid prosecution,  and no, I don't want to watch a film about how he wasn't.

So you don't want to look at new evidence that challenges your views?

No. He just doesn't care enough. Which is fine, Michael Jackson presented himself in such a strange way he was always going to polarize.
As a grown man I have never had the urge to hang around young children.  Any normal person starts getting annoyed at preteens around 15 y.o. unless they're your kids and still...maybe.  Anyone that is into this has problems no matter what an investigative reporter says.  No normal person hangs their kid out of a window a couple floors off the ground.  He was obviously disturbed in some way.  Unless a psychiatrist that actually treated him has new information to release then it's conjecture.  One thing I find as you get older is your conjecture is as good as anyone else's when it's all over.  But Segue is correct, I just don't care....and he's dead.

I will give you credit one one thing. Michael Jackson was not "normal", he was a very eccentric human being, however his eccentricities didn't make him a bad person or a criminal.

In 2001, Fox aired a documentary called Michael Jackson's Private Home Movies which were a collection of home videos shot around the Dangerous era. There, you see Michael as the quintessential "fun and playful dad or uncle all the kids want to play with at family parties" Having Super Soaker fights, all the kids pulling pranks on him, pushing him in the pool etc....THAT TV special was most in-tune with who Michael really was. Fun loving, playful, child-like, and just overall a fun person to be around. And it portrayed his platonic love for children in a positive way.  

Compare that to the infamous Living With Michael Jackson documentary which was supposed to be similar to the Private Home Movies documentary,a glimpse into his everyday life. It ended up being nothing but a two hour extensively edited smear campaign that completely f***ing DECIMATED Michael's public image in the United States and to add insult to injury, was the catalyst that brought forth more allegations, criminal charges, and one of the biggest celebrity criminal trials in history. Want proof? look up "Living With Michael Jackson-The Footage You Were Never Meant To See" on YouTube.

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 05:19 PM

https://www.youtube....h?v=jiDyX0fCjvg

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Posted 06 January 2016 - 01:01 AM



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Posted 06 January 2016 - 02:52 PM

The man had charisma. The man could sing. The man could dance. The man could entertain. And he had plenty of good songs. I leave it at that.

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Posted 06 January 2016 - 09:41 PM

View PostReRushed, on 06 January 2016 - 02:52 PM, said:

The man had charisma. The man could sing. The man could dance. The man could entertain. And he had plenty of good songs. I leave it at that.
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Posted 27 January 2016 - 03:18 PM

Right now, the one Michael Jackson song I really am fixated right on is Earth Song.

Unlike MJ's other inspirational songs like We Are The World, Man In The Mirror and Heal The World, Earth Song is different...Unlike those other three songs which have an overall uplifting and inspirational message of "Here's what YOU can do to make the world a better place!" Earth Song just gives you an uppercut to the fucking face with the cold, hard reality of how fucked up the world is and I feel the song is ten times more relevant now in 2016 than what it was written back in 1995...

"Did you ever stop to notice all the blood we shed before? Did you ever stop to notice this crying earth, it's weeping shores?"

Of course, no one will ever bother to listen to this amazing song and analyze the lyrics...Why? Because it's a song by "Wacko Jacko" the so-called "kiddy diddling freak".

I know that this was used by South Park a lot, but MJ haters really are ignorant.

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Posted 27 January 2016 - 06:52 PM

Earth Song is possibly my all time favourite song, up against The Kinks Waterloo Sunset.

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Posted 27 January 2016 - 07:04 PM

I listened to The Is It today.  It's a solid collection of his best work.  And, yeah...his voice is incredible on Earth Song.

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Posted 27 January 2016 - 07:10 PM

And I love the way he performs it on the HIStory tour, with him on the hydraulic lift circling above the audience and hanging out of it during the "what about us" part...You need a lot of upper arm strength to do that.

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Posted 30 January 2016 - 09:22 PM

If Michael Jackson was still alive today and he saw the shape the world and society is today, I think we would be seeing another album like HIStory. Great album, but definitely Michael's darkest album. Pretty much all the songs were about injustice, brutality, war, corruption, and destruction.




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