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#41 TexMike

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Posted 06 December 2015 - 12:18 AM

While I somewhat share op's annoyance at some people *continually* complaining about Geddy's singing, I also in general don't care to read complaining about "complaining".  

Yes we're all supposedly Rush fans, but that doesn't mean we should all believe that every song, album, performance, etc. by Rush is flawless OR that we should only post opinions about the songs, albums, performances, etc, that we like.  Frankly, I'd find that to be a rather boring board to read.  People should feel free to post contrasting opinions without being labeled "bashers" *as long as* they do so without disrespecting any other poster.

EVERY music/band forum has its share of what some would broadly label "negativity".  That's life on the internet.  This place is by far more civil and respectful than most forums I've looked at, which is why I end up spending most of my time here.  :)

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Posted 06 December 2015 - 06:01 AM

View PostTexMike, on 06 December 2015 - 12:18 AM, said:

I also in general don't care to read complaining about "complaining".



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Posted 06 December 2015 - 08:44 AM

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View PostMindcore, on 05 December 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

I haven't been on here in ages but finally had some free time to spend a lazy Saturday afternoon perusing the Internet and return to this forum.

I can't believe the bashing that is going on about Geddy's vocals on the tour and (in particular) the DVD/Blu-ray. I thought people on here were fans. Obviously (I think) the ones that are complaining are too young to understand aging. Yes, I too have noticed that Geddy no longer has that range of his youth, but he still "sounds like" himself! Trust me, I've seen every tour since AFTK and even in the 80's I noticed differences in his range from the 70's songs that were still in rotation. Part of it was growing as a vocalist and the fact that he did start taking vocal lessons and instead of "screaming" parts he was actually singing them!

I was at the second Toronto show and Ben Mink and the band doing Losing It for the first time ever live was the pinnacle!

Why is nobody focusing on the extremely great musicianship of these 3 in their mid 60's and can pull off some of the most complex compositions that they admit were difficult when they first recorded them (Hemispheres)? They put musicians a third of their age to shame!!!!

I thought the people on this forum were true fans (and understanding human beings). I guess I was wrong. I wish I could do the things I could 30-40 years ago but I can't (and, for the older members, I'm sure you can't either). Why do you expect them to do the same? For you younger members, you'll understand when you get to my age (50).

Peace out. Rush is still the greatest Rock band in my opinion and I thank them for 40 wonderful years of music. They owe me (or anyone else) NOTHING!

Right, so to be "true fans" we aren't allowed to complain about anything.

Gimme a f***ing break :facepalm:

I'm so happy you are the "first and only perfect" human being that ever existed on Earth.

You just made baby Jesus cry.


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Posted 06 December 2015 - 10:32 AM

Last tour:

Ged's vocals: C-
Ged's playing: A+
Alex's playing: A-
Neil's playing: B-

I liked Ged's vocals more when I was there as they were buried a little more in the mix...

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Posted 06 December 2015 - 09:52 PM

Don't like the sound on the blu ray. Why can't they have it sound as good as the last two dream theater live shows. Can hear each instrument loud and clear. Mike M drums sound great. Neil's drums you can barely hear them. To much crowd mixed in.

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Posted 07 December 2015 - 10:34 PM

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Most of us are not being fans correctly is what I gather the op is on about

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Not just fans.  :cheers:

No, that's not what I meant! Why all the negativity? I'm amazed that they can still rock out at their "advanced age".

Sorry, but I only see all the positives of their performances during this tour. All you "critics" can disprove me if you can do better than them at the same age!
I'm with you.   R40 is about them still having chops, phenomenal chops.  The fact that he's singing at all is amazing.

Especially as much touring as they've done over the years.  They used to do shows every day, not all this skipping days business. All the screaming especially in the 70's couldn't have been a good thing for his vocal cords.

What I find fascinating in all of this is there seems to be two camps of negativity..... the first is a camp around the fact the touring as we know it is done.... the second camp is around the fact they continue to tour and the vocals are not up to the past....

Really?  Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I am actually a bit surprised Neil is the only one wanting to hang it up if they are going to get hit from both directions.

Hit from whom? Us? I doubt they decide anything based on what we want or don't want.

I think the R40 setlist was a lot of what the fans wanted (Losing It, Jacob's Ladder, Xanadu, etc). People behind the scenes were doing their homework.

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 02:07 AM

Jesus Christ!  I saw the R40 Bluray and had a few negative comments on my own review thread but fukk man overall the show WAS AMAZING!!!!!!
Guess I'm just another RUSH "HOMER!"

WHO CARES!!  DRINK DUFF BEER HATERS!

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 05:23 AM

if everybody was only positive about this new live recording, it would make a boring topic. Talking about Rush, it's like a good movie, you need to have some ugly things, tragic scenes to be entertaining. I personally think that most people comments are right because we asked a lot about our favorite band as long as you back up your comments with solid arguments and don't pretend to hold the whole truth. When you see all perspectives from different viewers, it could help you make your own judgment. Someone talk about Alex's guitar sound being low in the mix, i think it's right, but i personally enjoy the high bass sound audio mix, but i would have prefer to hear more Neil's drums. Overall the Blu-Ray has a good sound, better than CA, which i think most people agree on this.

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 12:03 PM

I wouldve loved the R40 tour much better if:

1: They didn't skip albums. At least one song from ALL of them, no ignoring albums. I don't care if you played a bunch from Power Windows last time around, that's your problem not ours (lol)

2: Geddy only played the basses associated with the songs. Like Fender Jazz for all the post-Counterparts material, Wal bass for the PW-RTB songs, Rickenbacker for all the rest. I thought him playing a different increasingly uglier bass for every song was unneccessary and a little self-indulgant.

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 05:48 PM

Come on, I was happy as a school kid getting that first tittie feel when they played some of Lakeside Park but don't tell me you didn't clinch your teeth just a little at the vocals...

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 08:02 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 05 December 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

View PostDigital Dad, on 05 December 2015 - 06:20 PM, said:

Geddy sounds good for what he is at the moment. Much better than the last tour all the way round.

Truth.

Agreed.  Plus to my ears he sounded better on the CA tour than he did on the TMT.  So, put another way, he sounded better on R40 than he has since at least the 1st leg of S&A.

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 08:06 PM

Honestly, Geddy's voice is much better in this release than 10-15 years ago.
His tone sounded way too thin and unnatural in the 2002-2004 period, as well as on the Test For Echo tour. SNA had him use a better, thicker tone, with the yodeling as a side effect.
His 2010-now voice is much better than his 1996-2004 voice.
The only songs that really sound worse now than back then are Subdivisions, Temples, and One Little Victory.

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 08:07 PM

View PostLittleRushmonkey, on 05 December 2015 - 07:23 PM, said:

I've only seen the clips they've released to YouTube and a couple of phone videos from concerts but I personally think ged sounds great on the videos I've seen, especially in comparison to the CA tour. They are my three favourite musicians and I respect Alex and Neil all the more because of their almost perfect playing if complex songs with their conditions. And Neil for doing it with passion even though he would rather spend time with his family.

And BTW I'm probably one of the youngest members here :)

Well put and agreed.  I was not able to see R40 in person and I really regret it.  Although I thought he was better on CA than on the TMT I figured time would have continued to catch up with him and his vocals so my reaction was that I would by the CD & DVD and enjoy all the Rush shows I had seen.  It would seem  was very wrong.  Best he has been since S & A tour.  Great points about Alex & Neil.

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 08:17 PM

View PostDisk98, on 05 December 2015 - 08:27 PM, said:

While I don't think there needed to be a whole new thread created about this, Mindcore, I do agree with you.

Many people on here are so critical of Geddy's voice because it doesn't sound like what it did in 1978.  Give me a break.  People age.  Now, am I saying you have to love everything Rush has ever done?  No.  But if you're complaining about Geddy's voice on every thread you get the chance, do us all a favor and please shut up.

And while I have the opportunity, let me just point out that if you don't like anything Rush has done since 1982, you're not a true fan.  The reason I'm saying this is because I'm noticing that those are the people who are complaining about Geddy's voice the most.  That's fine, go listen to All the World's a Stage (their worst live album, by the way) and kindly leave us true fans to appreciate how good Geddy sounds for a man his age.

ATWAS - their worst live album????  Really??  I would give that title to ESL.  To me ATWAS is one of their very best live albums.  Other than that I agree with a lot of what you said - and keep in mind that I have had great concerns over the state of Geddy's voice in recent years - although, as I have said elsewhere, I felt that it was better on CA than on the TMT  (plus, as has been said elsewhere, Geddy also still plays a great bass).

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 08:21 PM

View PostThe Analog Teen, on 05 December 2015 - 11:14 PM, said:

I always use Spotify while doing homework and because most of the songs it chooses are from the Clockwork Angels tour (their shuffle system isn't very good), I've grown to not really mind his voice then, despite it having been as bad as it was. I understand they're all aging, and hey, I don't even care, they're still legends! Not all of us younger folk are oblivious, I just hope those who don't understand consider how hard it can be to be doing this for 40 years.

Thanks and well put.  100% agree.

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 09:01 PM

View PostTheAccountant, on 16 January 2016 - 08:17 PM, said:

View PostDisk98, on 05 December 2015 - 08:27 PM, said:

While I don't think there needed to be a whole new thread created about this, Mindcore, I do agree with you.

Many people on here are so critical of Geddy's voice because it doesn't sound like what it did in 1978.  Give me a break.  People age.  Now, am I saying you have to love everything Rush has ever done?  No.  But if you're complaining about Geddy's voice on every thread you get the chance, do us all a favor and please shut up.

And while I have the opportunity, let me just point out that if you don't like anything Rush has done since 1982, you're not a true fan.  The reason I'm saying this is because I'm noticing that those are the people who are complaining about Geddy's voice the most.  That's fine, go listen to All the World's a Stage (their worst live album, by the way) and kindly leave us true fans to appreciate how good Geddy sounds for a man his age.

ATWAS - their worst live album????  Really??  I would give that title to ESL.  To me ATWAS is one of their very best live albums.  Other than that I agree with a lot of what you said - and keep in mind that I have had great concerns over the state of Geddy's voice in recent years - although, as I have said elsewhere, I felt that it was better on CA than on the TMT  (plus, as has been said elsewhere, Geddy also still plays a great bass).
Honestly, I really don't like ATWAS, as it seems that most of the vocals have been overdubbed. They don't sound live at all, and much better than the two bootlegs from the tour.

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 03:43 AM

this is the type of thing I would've posted when I was 15

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 06:57 AM

View PostMindcore, on 05 December 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

I haven't been on here in ages but finally had some free time to spend a lazy Saturday afternoon perusing the Internet and return to this forum.

Thanks for gracing us with a few minutes of your hectic life :-)

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 08:16 AM

I watched R40 again last night for the first time in a few months... and it is a great concert video.  Just seeing Ben Mink playing Losing It with the guys was worth the whole thing to me... Yes, there are a few things that I didn't love, but how could there NOT be?  Everyone has different tastes... just the fact that these guys are in their 60s and still ROCK... is amazing to me.  Stop your goddam complaining and just be happy that you even know who or what Rush is.

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 12:45 PM

I learned a valuable lesson today...

Anyone who thorougly enjoyed Rush in the 21st century must be a Zumbi sockpuppet account.



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