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#1 ctbadger

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 01:30 PM

My recommendations for Rush should they consider touring in the future:

1. Cut back the number of performances to three a week. Jimmy Buffett (who is 68) has been doing this for years (and even has a live disc titled "Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays") and he seems to be holding up well.

2. Cut back the show length by about 1/3. Go from 26-7 songs to 20 or so songs, with an intermission. I'd have no problem with a shorter show if it means I can still see you guys play.

3. Recommendations specifically for Neil:
a. Stop riding a motorcycle between every show. Drumming like you do for hours is hard enough on your aging body - give it a break!
b. Take your family along for the tour. Get a nice tour bus; take your daughter around the country and show her all the places you find special - national parks and so forth. Your wife could photojournal the whole thing and you can write a book about it after the tour. That would make a great coffee table book.
c. Eliminate the drum solo. We can adjust, and it will mean less punishment on your body.
d. Quit smoking. You'll find you get a lot less winded.

Well, that's my $0.02. What say you, TRF'ers?

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 01:46 PM

I like your suggestions, but I honestly don't think Neil is interested in ever going out on the road again.  And, even if he follows your suggestions, he can't change the fact that he is getting older.  Didn't I read someone on here say that Geddy said in an interview that during R40, there were some shows that, during intermission, Neil said he didn't know how he was going to go back out and finish the show?

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 01:46 PM

View Postctbadger, on 02 December 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

My recommendations for Rush should they consider touring in the future:

1. Cut back the number of performances to three a week. Jimmy Buffett (who is 68) has been doing this for years (and even has a live disc titled "Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays") and he seems to be holding up well.

2. Cut back the show length by about 1/3. Go from 26-7 songs to 20 or so songs, with an intermission. I'd have no problem with a shorter show if it means I can still see you guys play.

3. Recommendations specifically for Neil:
a. Stop riding a motorcycle between every show. Drumming like you do for hours is hard enough on your aging body - give it a break!
b. Take your family along for the tour. Get a nice tour bus; take your daughter around the country and show her all the places you find special - national parks and so forth. Your wife could photojournal the whole thing and you can write a book about it after the tour. That would make a great coffee table book.
c. Eliminate the drum solo. We can adjust, and it will mean less punishment on your body.
d. Quit smoking. You'll find you get a lot less winded.

Well, that's my $0.02. What say you, TRF'ers?
What if his daughter has school, so you expect him to take her out for months and miss the beginning of her education

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 01:49 PM

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Quit smoking. You'll find you get a lot less winded.

Neil has been smoking for how long?  Fifty years?  It's not a matter of stopping and miraculously being able to do things without gasping for breath.  It takes years for the lungs to repair the damage, assuming that he still has healthy lungs.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 01:50 PM

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

I like your suggestions, but I honestly don't think Neil is interested in ever going out on the road again.  And, even if he follows your suggestions, he can't change the fact that he is getting older.  Didn't I read someone on here say that Geddy said in an interview that during R40, there were some shows that, during intermission, Neil said he didn't know how he was going to go back out and finish the show?
I can sympathize with him, but adults and professionals find a way to gut through it.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 02:02 PM

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View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

I like your suggestions, but I honestly don't think Neil is interested in ever going out on the road again.  And, even if he follows your suggestions, he can't change the fact that he is getting older.  Didn't I read someone on here say that Geddy said in an interview that during R40, there were some shows that, during intermission, Neil said he didn't know how he was going to go back out and finish the show?
I can sympathize with him, but adults and professionals find a way to gut through it.

Yes, the show must go on, and apparently he did find it in himself to go out and just do it.

My point in mentioning it is to illustrate the point he is at.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 02:10 PM

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 02:02 PM, said:

View Postsatchmothesnowdog, on 02 December 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

I like your suggestions, but I honestly don't think Neil is interested in ever going out on the road again.  And, even if he follows your suggestions, he can't change the fact that he is getting older.  Didn't I read someone on here say that Geddy said in an interview that during R40, there were some shows that, during intermission, Neil said he didn't know how he was going to go back out and finish the show?
I can sympathize with him, but adults and professionals find a way to gut through it.

Yes, the show must go on, and apparently he did find it in himself to go out and just do it.

My point in mentioning it is to illustrate the point he is at.
I understood, fully. He's done, or done enough that any tours will be a week or two at most. He's just going to get worse as he edges closer to seventy. It was a hard concept for me to grasp until I broke my back and leg, now at 48 my body feels it daily. Add 14 years on that and you have Neil. Everyone is allowed a retirement, and I believe you and I have been round and round with a few people on that before :)

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 02:37 PM

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

I like your suggestions, but I honestly don't think Neil is interested in ever going out on the road again.  And, even if he follows your suggestions, he can't change the fact that he is getting older.  Didn't I read someone on here say that Geddy said in an interview that during R40, there were some shows that, during intermission, Neil said he didn't know how he was going to go back out and finish the show?

Do you have a link to that interview?

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 02:46 PM

View PostYYZumbi, on 02 December 2015 - 02:37 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

I like your suggestions, but I honestly don't think Neil is interested in ever going out on the road again.  And, even if he follows your suggestions, he can't change the fact that he is getting older.  Didn't I read someone on here say that Geddy said in an interview that during R40, there were some shows that, during intermission, Neil said he didn't know how he was going to go back out and finish the show?

Do you have a link to that interview?
No, there have been so many on here lately, that I don't remember where I read it.  If I find it, I'll come back with the link.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 02:53 PM

Zumbi, I can't find it.  Maybe Eagle or someone else remembers which interview it was.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 03:37 PM

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

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Quit smoking. You'll find you get a lot less winded.

Neil has been smoking for how long?  Fifty years?  It's not a matter of stopping and miraculously being able to do things without gasping for breath.  It takes years for the lungs to repair the damage, assuming that he still has healthy lungs.

strangely enough, quitting smoking benefits people quickly and significantly even if they've been smoking for a very long time.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 03:41 PM

View PostAnthemic, on 02 December 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

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Quit smoking. You'll find you get a lot less winded.

Neil has been smoking for how long?  Fifty years?  It's not a matter of stopping and miraculously being able to do things without gasping for breath.  It takes years for the lungs to repair the damage, assuming that he still has healthy lungs.

strangely enough, quitting smoking benefits people quickly and significantly even if they've been smoking for a very long time.
My doctor told me it takes two years at least.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 03:51 PM

I think that though it appears Neil is done and doesn't want to go out on the road again, keep in mind he's gonna think that after the tour. I'm not 100 percent sure about Neil, but Alex and Ged said they were itching to write again and go into the studio. I think that if they do another album, they will tour. It's what they do for a living, what they love to do the most. It's hard to quit that. It seems like most musicians stop touring when either they physically cannot anymore, like David Lee Roth (which he is, but really shouldn't. His voice is gone), or if they won't be playing in front of big audiences. I might just be optimistic, but I think they have another 1 or 2 left in them.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 04:03 PM

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

View PostAnthemic, on 02 December 2015 - 03:37 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

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Quit smoking. You'll find you get a lot less winded.

Neil has been smoking for how long?  Fifty years?  It's not a matter of stopping and miraculously being able to do things without gasping for breath.  It takes years for the lungs to repair the damage, assuming that he still has healthy lungs.

strangely enough, quitting smoking benefits people quickly and significantly even if they've been smoking for a very long time.
My doctor told me it takes two years at least.

he must be the only doctor in the world who thinks that.

perhaps it takes two years to see a full benefit of quitting, but everything i've ever seen or heard or read about it says that it starts helping your general health pretty much as soon as you stop.  and even if it does take two years, well, that's two years faster than continuing to smoke isn't it.

hard to believe that any doctor would discourage someone from quitting smoking by telling them it takes at least two years to see any benefit from it.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 04:46 PM

She wasn't trying to discourage me at all.  Just stating facts.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 05:17 PM

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

She wasn't trying to discourage me at all.  Just stating facts.

i question that that is a fact, considering, as i said, that this is the very first i've heard anywhere that it takes two years to actually see a benefit from quitting smoking.

did you quit smoking after she told you that?

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 10:06 AM

View PostRushspirit2112, on 02 December 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

View Postctbadger, on 02 December 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

My recommendations for Rush should they consider touring in the future:

1. Cut back the number of performances to three a week. Jimmy Buffett (who is 68) has been doing this for years (and even has a live disc titled "Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays") and he seems to be holding up well.

2. Cut back the show length by about 1/3. Go from 26-7 songs to 20 or so songs, with an intermission. I'd have no problem with a shorter show if it means I can still see you guys play.

3. Recommendations specifically for Neil:
a. Stop riding a motorcycle between every show. Drumming like you do for hours is hard enough on your aging body - give it a break!
b. Take your family along for the tour. Get a nice tour bus; take your daughter around the country and show her all the places you find special - national parks and so forth. Your wife could photojournal the whole thing and you can write a book about it after the tour. That would make a great coffee table book.
c. Eliminate the drum solo. We can adjust, and it will mean less punishment on your body.
d. Quit smoking. You'll find you get a lot less winded.

Well, that's my $0.02. What say you, TRF'ers?
What if his daughter has school, so you expect him to take her out for months and miss the beginning of her education

He has enough money to hire a tutor.

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 10:18 AM

View PostAnthemic, on 02 December 2015 - 05:17 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 02 December 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

She wasn't trying to discourage me at all.  Just stating facts.

i question that that is a fact, considering, as i said, that this is the very first i've heard anywhere that it takes two years to actually see a benefit from quitting smoking.

did you quit smoking after she told you that?

20 minutes - Your blood pressure, pulse rate and the temperature of your hands and feet have returned to normal.
8 hours - Remaining nicotine in your bloodstream has fallen to 6.25% of normal peak daily levels, a 93.75% reduction.
12 hours - Your blood oxygen level has increased to normal. Carbon monoxide levels have dropped to normal.                    
48 hours - Damaged nerve endings have started to regrow and your sense of smell and taste are beginning to return to normal.                              
72 hours - Your entire body will test 100% nicotine-free and over 90% of all nicotine metabolites (the chemicals it breaks down into) will now have passed from your body via your urine. Lung bronchial tubes leading to air sacs (alveoli) are beginning to relax in recovering smokers. Breathing is becoming easier and your lung's functional abilities are starting to increase.                                  
10 days to 2 weeks - Blood circulation in your gums and teeth are now similar to that of a non-user.                    
21 days - The number of acetylcholine receptors, which were up-regulated in response to nicotine's presence in the frontal, parietal, temporal, occipital, basal ganglia, thalamus, brain stem, and cerebellum regions of the brain, have now substantially down-regulated, and receptor binding has returned to levels seen in the brains of non-smokers (2007 study).
2 weeks to 3 months - Your heart attack risk has started to drop. Your lung function is beginning to improve.
3 weeks to 3 months - Your circulation has substantially improved. Walking has become easier. Your chronic cough, if any, has likely disappeared.                                            
8 weeks - Insulin resistance in smokers has normalized despite average weight gain of 2.7 kg (2010 SGR, page 384).
1 to 9 months - Any smoking related sinus congestion, fatigue or shortness of breath has decreased. Cilia have regrown in your lungs, thereby increasing their ability to handle mucus, keep your lungs clean and reduce infections. Your body's overall energy has increased.                          
1 year - Your excess risk of coronary heart disease, heart attack and stroke has dropped to less than half that of a smoker.
5 years - Your risk of a subarachnoid haemorrhage has declined to 59% of your risk while still smoking (2012 study). If a female ex-smoker, your risk of developing diabetes is now that of a non-smoker (2001 study).
5 to 15 years - Your risk of stroke has declined to that of a non-smoker.                                          
10 years - Your risk of being diagnosed with lung cancer is between 30% and 50% of that for a continuing smoker (2005 study). Risk of death from lung cancer has declined by almost half if you were an average smoker (one pack per day).  Risk of cancer of the mouth, throat, esophagus and pancreas have declined. Risk of developing diabetes for both men and women is now similar to that of a never-smoker (2001 study).
13 years - The average smoker who is able to live to age 75 has 5.8 fewer teeth than a non-smoker (1998 study). But by year 13 after quitting, your risk of smoking induced tooth loss has declined to that of a never-smoker (2006 study).
15 years - Your risk of coronary heart disease is now that of a person who has never smoked. Your risk of pancreatic cancer has declined to that of a never-smoker (2011 study - but note 2nd pancreatic study making identical finding at 20 years).
20 years - Female excess risk of death from all smoking related causes, including lung disease and cancer, has now reduced to that of a never-smoker (2008 study). Risk of pancreatic cancer has declined to that of a never-smoker (2011 study).

This Public Service Announcement has been brought to you by the American Lung Association, and the letter "M".

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 11:20 AM

They should have cut the show back and eliminated the drum solo long ago if it was a physical issue....I'm a drummer, and I get bored with drum solo's...


Your comparison to Buffett is good...but Jimmy is strumming a guitar, not playing music on the level off Rush....same with those that have the "well the Stones are still doing it" attitude...Not the same stuff.

I quit smoking totally about 12 years ago when I started scuba diving (I only smoked while drinking heavily on vacation for about the 8 years prior to that, and was a two packer from about the time I turned 18 until about 32)  It takes time...At his point...except for his personal health and well being why bother!   He's done...get over it..if he does any more I'd be really surprised.

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 01:42 PM

View PostRushspirit2112, on 02 December 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

View Postctbadger, on 02 December 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

My recommendations for Rush should they consider touring in the future:

1. Cut back the number of performances to three a week. Jimmy Buffett (who is 68) has been doing this for years (and even has a live disc titled "Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays") and he seems to be holding up well.

2. Cut back the show length by about 1/3. Go from 26-7 songs to 20 or so songs, with an intermission. I'd have no problem with a shorter show if it means I can still see you guys play.

3. Recommendations specifically for Neil:
a. Stop riding a motorcycle between every show. Drumming like you do for hours is hard enough on your aging body - give it a break!
b. Take your family along for the tour. Get a nice tour bus; take your daughter around the country and show her all the places you find special - national parks and so forth. Your wife could photojournal the whole thing and you can write a book about it after the tour. That would make a great coffee table book.
c. Eliminate the drum solo. We can adjust, and it will mean less punishment on your body.
d. Quit smoking. You'll find you get a lot less winded.

Well, that's my $0.02. What say you, TRF'ers?
What if his daughter has school, so you expect him to take her out for months and miss the beginning of her education
Summer tours, like this last one.



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