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#61 garyg7133

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 03:39 PM

Todem you got the basic idea of what I was saying. As for fanboys, just the constant (and I mean every single tour ) lines of complaint that they didn't or aren't or never will play JL. Heck go back and read THIS thread alone. Oh vapor trails is crap this song is crap that song is crap (sometimes people love crap). It is all subjective and everyone has their favorites. Some people here seem to think that their opinion is the be all end all (see above about vapor trails and cut to the chase). Jesus if one song out of an entire evening is going to set you (and I don't mean you specifically) off then perhaps you should stay home. I remember the CA tour and people going bats--t crazy because they played a lot of the mid  80's catalog and "too much" CA. Did they forget the SNA tour which consisted of "too much " SNA? I know I'm on a soap box now but dammit they documented a ton of great stuff this tour and if people can't look beyond 1 or 2 songs in that body of work then they really need to get a life.
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Posted 23 November 2015 - 08:51 PM

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It's a bad song, so don't much care how it came out on the dvd, the first set is pretty disappointing for me

I kind of agree.  It was a waste of time in the concert. They could've played something like Turn The Page or Cut To The Chase instead which would've really perked up the first set.

As a rule, everything you say is wrong or overly negative.  This post is a prime example of both.
I thought I was the only one who noticed this...I'm glad to know I'm not making this up.

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 08:22 PM

Well I though this song should have been skipped for this tour. So it doesn't surprise me at all. There were so many songs that could have replaced it. Even from the same album: Vapor Trails, Ceiling unlimited, Sweet Miracle.just to mention a few but honestly I think they should have included at least 1 T4E song in its place. Mainly either the title song or Driven with the great bass solo! The song that really should have made an appearance was Cut to the Chase. Which will now become the great unplayed RUSh song!

Edited by losingit2k, 27 November 2015 - 08:24 PM.


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Posted 27 November 2015 - 08:33 PM

View Postlosingit2k, on 27 November 2015 - 08:22 PM, said:

Well I though this song should have been skipped for this tour. So it doesn't surprise me at all. There were so many songs that could have replaced it. Even from the same album: Vapor Trails, Ceiling unlimited, Sweet Miracle.just to mention a few but honestly I think they should have included at least 1 T4E song in its place. Mainly either the title song or Driven with the great bass solo! The song that really should have made an appearance was Cut to the Chase. Which will now become the great unplayed RUSh song!

I said something very similar to this at some point. OLV was just a bad choice, especially vocally.

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 03:01 PM

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I'm not sure why they didn't just either pick songs that are easier for Geddy to sing; or tweak the vocal melody so that he can sing it (take it down a step or alter it).

I've heard bootlegs from the tour and in many instances, Geddy nails it, but on the DVD there are a lot of moments that are borderline cringe-worthy.

The band sounds SOOO good on every song, it's kind of a bummer to hear Geddy struggle with the vocals. I would actually be okay with them pulling an Ozzy, and having Geddy go into the studio to sweeten the vocals a bit.

They could have pulled the vocals back a bit in the mix. Not much else they could do unless they try to mask it.

That's what I meant. I know they want to deliver an "authentic" experience; but it just sounds bad in spots (the same is true of the Clockwork Angels DVD). What would the harm be in making it sound better. I get the whole integrity thingg, but this is same band that list Alex as "backing vocals" even though it's obvious, he's not the voice you hear.

Authentic? I think it was time to give up that hope decades ago. Seeing R40 one has to suspend disbelief with all of GEDDYS background vocals and synths, all performed while neither of them are anywhere pedals or mics.

Eagle is spot on about CTTC or TTP. Woulda been nice to have CTTC live once, its a good tune. For that reason, HII was a worthy addition, for the 1/3rd rotation it got this tour it was worth hearing live once in the grand history of Rush.

As much as I like Animate, its been done before a few tours, I'd put CTTC in that slot instead and leave that HII thing alone!


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Posted 28 November 2015 - 03:04 PM

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I'm not sure why they didn't just either pick songs that are easier for Geddy to sing; or tweak the vocal melody so that he can sing it (take it down a step or alter it).

I've heard bootlegs from the tour and in many instances, Geddy nails it, but on the DVD there are a lot of moments that are borderline cringe-worthy.

The band sounds SOOO good on every song, it's kind of a bummer to hear Geddy struggle with the vocals. I would actually be okay with them pulling an Ozzy, and having Geddy go into the studio to sweeten the vocals a bit.

They could have pulled the vocals back a bit in the mix. Not much else they could do unless they try to mask it.

That's what I meant. I know they want to deliver an "authentic" experience; but it just sounds bad in spots (the same is true of the Clockwork Angels DVD). What would the harm be in making it sound better. I get the whole integrity thingg, but this is same band that list Alex as "backing vocals" even though it's obvious, he's not the voice you hear.

Authentic? I think it was time to give up that hope decades ago. Seeing R40 one has to suspend disbelief with all of GEDDYS background vocals and synths, all performed while neither of them are anywhere pedals or mics.

Eagle is spot on about CTTC or TTP. Woulda been nice to have CTTC live once, its a good tune. For that reason, HII was a worthy addition, for the 1/3rd rotation it got this tour it was worth hearing live once in the grand history of Rush.

As much as I like Animate, its been done before a few tours, I'd put CTTC in that slot instead and leave that HII thing alone!


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I don't get the comment about them not being anywhere near pedals for the background synth/vocals. They're always triggered by one of them.

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 03:08 PM

I've only heard the previews.
Out of those, Closer to The Heart is the worst.
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Posted 28 November 2015 - 03:12 PM

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I'm not sure why they didn't just either pick songs that are easier for Geddy to sing; or tweak the vocal melody so that he can sing it (take it down a step or alter it).

I've heard bootlegs from the tour and in many instances, Geddy nails it, but on the DVD there are a lot of moments that are borderline cringe-worthy.

The band sounds SOOO good on every song, it's kind of a bummer to hear Geddy struggle with the vocals. I would actually be okay with them pulling an Ozzy, and having Geddy go into the studio to sweeten the vocals a bit.

They could have pulled the vocals back a bit in the mix. Not much else they could do unless they try to mask it.

That's what I meant. I know they want to deliver an "authentic" experience; but it just sounds bad in spots (the same is true of the Clockwork Angels DVD). What would the harm be in making it sound better. I get the whole integrity thingg, but this is same band that list Alex as "backing vocals" even though it's obvious, he's not the voice you hear.

Authentic? I think it was time to give up that hope decades ago. Seeing R40 one has to suspend disbelief with all of GEDDYS background vocals and synths, all performed while neither of them are anywhere pedals or mics.

Eagle is spot on about CTTC or TTP. Woulda been nice to have CTTC live once, its a good tune. For that reason, HII was a worthy addition, for the 1/3rd rotation it got this tour it was worth hearing live once in the grand history of Rush.

As much as I like Animate, its been done before a few tours, I'd put CTTC in that slot instead and leave that HII thing alone!


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I don't get the comment about them not being anywhere near pedals for the background synth/vocals. They're always triggered by one of them.

I agree I've heard that alot as well,next time you see the first set, there's alot of Ged background vocals and synths, and he is playing bass and his feet are not on the peds for long durations.

I'll have to take notes next time I watch for specifics!


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Posted 28 November 2015 - 03:31 PM

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I agree I've heard that alot as well,next time you see the first set, there's alot of Ged background vocals and synths, and he is playing bass and his feet are not on the peds for long durations.

I noticed it too.  More so on R40 than anything else they've done.

Edited by Lorraine, 28 November 2015 - 05:02 PM.


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Posted 28 November 2015 - 04:03 PM

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I've only heard the previews.
Out of those, Closer to The Heart is the worst.
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What "AaAaAa" are you talking about? He sings the "A" just like he did on the studio record. Short and clear. The "A" is not the issue with his singing.

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 09:34 PM

should I be ashamed. iam living at home at 48. and my mom wants me to move? where the hell am I gonna go??

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 09:40 PM

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should I be ashamed. iam living at home at 48. and my mom wants me to move? where the hell am I gonna go??

It was such a bummer that your mom threw away your porn that you aged two years? :lol:

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such a bummer that iam 40 something and cant move out.. how will I get  a girl??

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 11:33 AM

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View Postrugen, on 22 November 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

It's a bad song, so don't much care how it came out on the dvd, the first set is pretty disappointing for me

I kind of agree.  It was a waste of time in the concert. They could've played something like Turn The Page or Cut To The Chase instead which would've really perked up the first set.

Turn the Page would have been butchered by Ged's current vocals.
I think it's better to have the version on ASOH be the definitive version. No sense in wrecking it if they don't have to.

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 11:36 AM

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I'm not sure why they didn't just either pick songs that are easier for Geddy to sing; or tweak the vocal melody so that he can sing it (take it down a step or alter it).

I've heard bootlegs from the tour and in many instances, Geddy nails it, but on the DVD there are a lot of moments that are borderline cringe-worthy.

The band sounds SOOO good on every song, it's kind of a bummer to hear Geddy struggle with the vocals. I would actually be okay with them pulling an Ozzy, and having Geddy go into the studio to sweeten the vocals a bit.

They could have pulled the vocals back a bit in the mix. Not much else they could do unless they try to mask it.

That's what I meant. I know they want to deliver an "authentic" experience; but it just sounds bad in spots (the same is true of the Clockwork Angels DVD). What would the harm be in making it sound better. I get the whole integrity thingg, but this is same band that list Alex as "backing vocals" even though it's obvious, he's not the voice you hear.

Authentic? I think it was time to give up that hope decades ago. Seeing R40 one has to suspend disbelief with all of GEDDYS background vocals and synths, all performed while neither of them are anywhere pedals or mics.

Eagle is spot on about CTTC or TTP. Woulda been nice to have CTTC live once, its a good tune. For that reason, HII was a worthy addition, for the 1/3rd rotation it got this tour it was worth hearing live once in the grand history of Rush.

As much as I like Animate, its been done before a few tours, I'd put CTTC in that slot instead and leave that HII thing alone!


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I don't get the comment about them not being anywhere near pedals for the background synth/vocals. They're always triggered by one of them.

He probably means why Alex is pretending to sing into his mic, but the backing vocals are all pre-recorded samples of Geddy, probably triggered by Neil.

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 11:40 AM

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I'm not sure why they didn't just either pick songs that are easier for Geddy to sing; or tweak the vocal melody so that he can sing it (take it down a step or alter it).

I've heard bootlegs from the tour and in many instances, Geddy nails it, but on the DVD there are a lot of moments that are borderline cringe-worthy.

The band sounds SOOO good on every song, it's kind of a bummer to hear Geddy struggle with the vocals. I would actually be okay with them pulling an Ozzy, and having Geddy go into the studio to sweeten the vocals a bit.

They could have pulled the vocals back a bit in the mix. Not much else they could do unless they try to mask it.

That's what I meant. I know they want to deliver an "authentic" experience; but it just sounds bad in spots (the same is true of the Clockwork Angels DVD). What would the harm be in making it sound better. I get the whole integrity thingg, but this is same band that list Alex as "backing vocals" even though it's obvious, he's not the voice you hear.

Authentic? I think it was time to give up that hope decades ago. Seeing R40 one has to suspend disbelief with all of GEDDYS background vocals and synths, all performed while neither of them are anywhere pedals or mics.

Eagle is spot on about CTTC or TTP. Woulda been nice to have CTTC live once, its a good tune. For that reason, HII was a worthy addition, for the 1/3rd rotation it got this tour it was worth hearing live once in the grand history of Rush.

As much as I like Animate, its been done before a few tours, I'd put CTTC in that slot instead and leave that HII thing alone!


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I don't get the comment about them not being anywhere near pedals for the background synth/vocals. They're always triggered by one of them.

He probably means why Alex is pretending to sing into his mic, but the backing vocals are all pre-recorded samples of Geddy, probably triggered by Neil.

There are lots of subtle background vocals and synths, especially on the newer material, where G n A are not near the synths nor peds. Definitely could be triggered by Neil, but that dudes got his hands and feet full!

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 02:17 PM

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I'm not sure why they didn't just either pick songs that are easier for Geddy to sing; or tweak the vocal melody so that he can sing it (take it down a step or alter it).

I've heard bootlegs from the tour and in many instances, Geddy nails it, but on the DVD there are a lot of moments that are borderline cringe-worthy.

The band sounds SOOO good on every song, it's kind of a bummer to hear Geddy struggle with the vocals. I would actually be okay with them pulling an Ozzy, and having Geddy go into the studio to sweeten the vocals a bit.

They could have pulled the vocals back a bit in the mix. Not much else they could do unless they try to mask it.

That's what I meant. I know they want to deliver an "authentic" experience; but it just sounds bad in spots (the same is true of the Clockwork Angels DVD). What would the harm be in making it sound better. I get the whole integrity thingg, but this is same band that list Alex as "backing vocals" even though it's obvious, he's not the voice you hear.

Authentic? I think it was time to give up that hope decades ago. Seeing R40 one has to suspend disbelief with all of GEDDYS background vocals and synths, all performed while neither of them are anywhere pedals or mics.

Eagle is spot on about CTTC or TTP. Woulda been nice to have CTTC live once, its a good tune. For that reason, HII was a worthy addition, for the 1/3rd rotation it got this tour it was worth hearing live once in the grand history of Rush.

As much as I like Animate, its been done before a few tours, I'd put CTTC in that slot instead and leave that HII thing alone!


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I don't get the comment about them not being anywhere near pedals for the background synth/vocals. They're always triggered by one of them.

He probably means why Alex is pretending to sing into his mic, but the backing vocals are all pre-recorded samples of Geddy, probably triggered by Neil.

There are lots of subtle background vocals and synths, especially on the newer material, where G n A are not near the synths nor peds. Definitely could be triggered by Neil, but that dudes got his hands and feet full!

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Well, if there's a background vocal then Ged's probably singing a lead vocal (in most cases), which would mean he's near his pedal board

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 02:19 PM

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I'm not sure why they didn't just either pick songs that are easier for Geddy to sing; or tweak the vocal melody so that he can sing it (take it down a step or alter it).

I've heard bootlegs from the tour and in many instances, Geddy nails it, but on the DVD there are a lot of moments that are borderline cringe-worthy.

The band sounds SOOO good on every song, it's kind of a bummer to hear Geddy struggle with the vocals. I would actually be okay with them pulling an Ozzy, and having Geddy go into the studio to sweeten the vocals a bit.

They could have pulled the vocals back a bit in the mix. Not much else they could do unless they try to mask it.

That's what I meant. I know they want to deliver an "authentic" experience; but it just sounds bad in spots (the same is true of the Clockwork Angels DVD). What would the harm be in making it sound better. I get the whole integrity thingg, but this is same band that list Alex as "backing vocals" even though it's obvious, he's not the voice you hear.

Authentic? I think it was time to give up that hope decades ago. Seeing R40 one has to suspend disbelief with all of GEDDYS background vocals and synths, all performed while neither of them are anywhere pedals or mics.

Eagle is spot on about CTTC or TTP. Woulda been nice to have CTTC live once, its a good tune. For that reason, HII was a worthy addition, for the 1/3rd rotation it got this tour it was worth hearing live once in the grand history of Rush.

As much as I like Animate, its been done before a few tours, I'd put CTTC in that slot instead and leave that HII thing alone!


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I don't get the comment about them not being anywhere near pedals for the background synth/vocals. They're always triggered by one of them.

He probably means why Alex is pretending to sing into his mic, but the backing vocals are all pre-recorded samples of Geddy, probably triggered by Neil.

There are lots of subtle background vocals and synths, especially on the newer material, where G n A are not near the synths nor peds. Definitely could be triggered by Neil, but that dudes got his hands and feet full!

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Which songs are you speaking of?

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 02:21 PM

They certainly have streamlined the pedals and triggers and such. Individual notes that used to be played with the feet are now "played" by pressing the pedal once, but that sets off a sequence of several notes.

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 02:34 PM

Having just seen the show.  i'd say to me the Anarchist was a surprisingly bad vocal.

on the whole he was more on point then the CA DVD.

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