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#101 WorkingAllTheTime

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 06:26 AM

View PostEagleMoon, on 25 January 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 25 January 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 January 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 23 January 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

:facepalm:

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

My take:  Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone.  They were, in fact, perfect.  Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without?  Yes, of course.  Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences.  But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear.  For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves.  That's hard to do.  They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist.  They could have played Dreamline... again.  They could have done a lot, lot worse.

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others.  I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs.  But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades.  Indeed, it was painful at moments, but  I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

Thank you, Eagle.  I had a post in response, but I decided:  why bother?  

You said it nicer than I would have anyway.

I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it.

Dumbing down of the world.

Obviously, I am coming back to this a bit late.

But, yeah, really...

My suggesting the band did a good job of trying to balance the various fan demands in created the set list is dumbing things down?  Its not acknowledging there is a lot of complexity and diversity to the history of the band?  It's not simply saying I appreciated the fact they put some thought into the list and did not, as I mentioned, just do a "Greatest Hits" thing?   Or are you suggesting maybe should I should just join the AARP TRF crowd and fall into one of the "Rush sucks after 'X' album" camps that permeate the forum?

My admitting there were times where Ged's voice was a bit painful to listen to, but I was still thankful to have the opportunity to hear them again, was blind and deaf gushing?  I wasn't acknowledging that there were times were Ged was not having his best night?

Your comment of "I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it" literally made me laugh out loud.  First of all, I was indeed knocking the overall tone of the thread, but I was not knocking any one person.  I was knocking the fact people come back to the same tired arguments over and over and over again when reality has not changed.... these guys are old and can't play the same way they did decades ago.   Apparently understanding *that* requires more brainpower than some people have.  Secondly, you seemed to have badly missed the two key messages in my post. For someone apparently claiming to have the higher intellectual ground here, it seems pretty obvious you do not.

Here's the thing.... I can pretty clearly demonstrate that I do have a brain and I do use it.  I generally think you are equally one of the people on the forum who do those things, as well.  I just have to wonder if you misplaced those things for a while.

PS  For the record, I actually think the R40 release is not their best live work by a long shot.  What I am able to partition in my mind, though, is the fact it is representative of where the band was at that stage of their lives and careers.  Maybe I was foolish to expect something more than that... or maybe I am a realist.

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Posted 07 February 2016 - 12:17 PM

To me the R40 show was a happening.  A decent performance (never can one expect vocal performances from an older man any more than a senior sports event to be like the regular ones) vocally, good musically, and outstanding from a theatrical and thematic standpoint.  It's funny, I'd never think to buy a recording of the show.. the songs are better on previous live, or studio versions, to me the concert was an event, and the recording for sure not something to be scrutinized for the obvious reasons.  The only way I'd buy/stream the performance would be if I missed the show and wanted to see it unfold as a show.  Just my $0.02.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 11:52 AM

Agreed, Geds voice has been declining for some time now, to the point where I wish they wouldn't release live recordings. The R40 tour was a fantastic gift to all of us that wanted to go back to the 70s and 80s just one more time. In an arena Geds voice was perfectly acceptable, on DVD it isn't. I actually just picked up the R40 DVD last week simply because I was at the show with my son for his first concert and I wanted to have it. Listening to it was painful at times, surprisingly more on the newer tunes IMO. Maybe as Ged's voice warms up he's able to do more with it? I thought the second set was pretty respectable though and will probably watch it a few times.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 07:08 PM

The perfect version (vocals and all) of Jacob's Ladder makes R40 "acceptable" to me...oh yeah, Losing it makes it a great purchase also.

I don't care much if a song like How it is wasn't great, the 2nd set came out well, IMO.

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 10:24 AM

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Obviously, the OP hasn't heard how Geddy's voice is on The Camera Eye. Much worse than How It Is.

And shockingly still much better than his voice was for that song on the Time Machine Tour...that version is brutal.

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 10:31 AM

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 06 February 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 25 January 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 25 January 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 January 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 23 January 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

:facepalm:

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

My take:  Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone.  They were, in fact, perfect.  Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without?  Yes, of course.  Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences.  But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear.  For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves.  That's hard to do.  They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist.  They could have played Dreamline... again.  They could have done a lot, lot worse.

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others.  I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs.  But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades.  Indeed, it was painful at moments, but  I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

Thank you, Eagle.  I had a post in response, but I decided:  why bother?  

You said it nicer than I would have anyway.

I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it.

Dumbing down of the world.

Obviously, I am coming back to this a bit late.

But, yeah, really...

My suggesting the band did a good job of trying to balance the various fan demands in created the set list is dumbing things down?  Its not acknowledging there is a lot of complexity and diversity to the history of the band?  It's not simply saying I appreciated the fact they put some thought into the list and did not, as I mentioned, just do a "Greatest Hits" thing?   Or are you suggesting maybe should I should just join the AARP TRF crowd and fall into one of the "Rush sucks after 'X' album" camps that permeate the forum?

My admitting there were times where Ged's voice was a bit painful to listen to, but I was still thankful to have the opportunity to hear them again, was blind and deaf gushing?  I wasn't acknowledging that there were times were Ged was not having his best night?

Your comment of "I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it" literally made me laugh out loud.  First of all, I was indeed knocking the overall tone of the thread, but I was not knocking any one person.  I was knocking the fact people come back to the same tired arguments over and over and over again when reality has not changed.... these guys are old and can't play the same way they did decades ago.   Apparently understanding *that* requires more brainpower than some people have.  Secondly, you seemed to have badly missed the two key messages in my post. For someone apparently claiming to have the higher intellectual ground here, it seems pretty obvious you do not.

Here's the thing.... I can pretty clearly demonstrate that I do have a brain and I do use it.  I generally think you are equally one of the people on the forum who do those things, as well.  I just have to wonder if you misplaced those things for a while.

PS  For the record, I actually think the R40 release is not their best live work by a long shot.  What I am able to partition in my mind, though, is the fact it is representative of where the band was at that stage of their lives and careers.  Maybe I was foolish to expect something more than that... or maybe I am a realist.

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 11:29 AM

View PostLedRush, on 09 February 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 06 February 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 25 January 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 25 January 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 January 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 23 January 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

:facepalm:

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

My take:  Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone.  They were, in fact, perfect.  Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without?  Yes, of course.  Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences.  But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear.  For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves.  That's hard to do.  They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist.  They could have played Dreamline... again.  They could have done a lot, lot worse.

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others.  I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs.  But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades.  Indeed, it was painful at moments, but  I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

Thank you, Eagle.  I had a post in response, but I decided:  why bother?  

You said it nicer than I would have anyway.

I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it.

Dumbing down of the world.

Obviously, I am coming back to this a bit late.

But, yeah, really...

My suggesting the band did a good job of trying to balance the various fan demands in created the set list is dumbing things down?  Its not acknowledging there is a lot of complexity and diversity to the history of the band?  It's not simply saying I appreciated the fact they put some thought into the list and did not, as I mentioned, just do a "Greatest Hits" thing?   Or are you suggesting maybe should I should just join the AARP TRF crowd and fall into one of the "Rush sucks after 'X' album" camps that permeate the forum?

My admitting there were times where Ged's voice was a bit painful to listen to, but I was still thankful to have the opportunity to hear them again, was blind and deaf gushing?  I wasn't acknowledging that there were times were Ged was not having his best night?

Your comment of "I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it" literally made me laugh out loud.  First of all, I was indeed knocking the overall tone of the thread, but I was not knocking any one person.  I was knocking the fact people come back to the same tired arguments over and over and over again when reality has not changed.... these guys are old and can't play the same way they did decades ago.   Apparently understanding *that* requires more brainpower than some people have.  Secondly, you seemed to have badly missed the two key messages in my post. For someone apparently claiming to have the higher intellectual ground here, it seems pretty obvious you do not.

Here's the thing.... I can pretty clearly demonstrate that I do have a brain and I do use it.  I generally think you are equally one of the people on the forum who do those things, as well.  I just have to wonder if you misplaced those things for a while.

PS  For the record, I actually think the R40 release is not their best live work by a long shot.  What I am able to partition in my mind, though, is the fact it is representative of where the band was at that stage of their lives and careers.  Maybe I was foolish to expect something more than that... or maybe I am a realist.

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 02:18 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 09 February 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 09 February 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 06 February 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 25 January 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 25 January 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 January 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 23 January 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

:facepalm:

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

My take:  Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone.  They were, in fact, perfect.  Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without?  Yes, of course.  Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences.  But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear.  For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves.  That's hard to do.  They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist.  They could have played Dreamline... again.  They could have done a lot, lot worse.

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others.  I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs.  But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades.  Indeed, it was painful at moments, but  I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

Thank you, Eagle.  I had a post in response, but I decided:  why bother?  

You said it nicer than I would have anyway.

I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it.

Dumbing down of the world.

Obviously, I am coming back to this a bit late.

But, yeah, really...

My suggesting the band did a good job of trying to balance the various fan demands in created the set list is dumbing things down?  Its not acknowledging there is a lot of complexity and diversity to the history of the band?  It's not simply saying I appreciated the fact they put some thought into the list and did not, as I mentioned, just do a "Greatest Hits" thing?   Or are you suggesting maybe should I should just join the AARP TRF crowd and fall into one of the "Rush sucks after 'X' album" camps that permeate the forum?

My admitting there were times where Ged's voice was a bit painful to listen to, but I was still thankful to have the opportunity to hear them again, was blind and deaf gushing?  I wasn't acknowledging that there were times were Ged was not having his best night?

Your comment of "I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it" literally made me laugh out loud.  First of all, I was indeed knocking the overall tone of the thread, but I was not knocking any one person.  I was knocking the fact people come back to the same tired arguments over and over and over again when reality has not changed.... these guys are old and can't play the same way they did decades ago.   Apparently understanding *that* requires more brainpower than some people have.  Secondly, you seemed to have badly missed the two key messages in my post. For someone apparently claiming to have the higher intellectual ground here, it seems pretty obvious you do not.

Here's the thing.... I can pretty clearly demonstrate that I do have a brain and I do use it.  I generally think you are equally one of the people on the forum who do those things, as well.  I just have to wonder if you misplaced those things for a while.

PS  For the record, I actually think the R40 release is not their best live work by a long shot.  What I am able to partition in my mind, though, is the fact it is representative of where the band was at that stage of their lives and careers.  Maybe I was foolish to expect something more than that... or maybe I am a realist.

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 03:43 PM

View PostLedRush, on 09 February 2016 - 02:18 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 09 February 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 09 February 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 06 February 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 25 January 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 25 January 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 January 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 23 January 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

:facepalm:

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

My take:  Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone.  They were, in fact, perfect.  Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without?  Yes, of course.  Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences.  But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear.  For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves.  That's hard to do.  They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist.  They could have played Dreamline... again.  They could have done a lot, lot worse.

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others.  I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs.  But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades.  Indeed, it was painful at moments, but  I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

Thank you, Eagle.  I had a post in response, but I decided:  why bother?  

You said it nicer than I would have anyway.

I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it.

Dumbing down of the world.

Obviously, I am coming back to this a bit late.

But, yeah, really...

My suggesting the band did a good job of trying to balance the various fan demands in created the set list is dumbing things down?  Its not acknowledging there is a lot of complexity and diversity to the history of the band?  It's not simply saying I appreciated the fact they put some thought into the list and did not, as I mentioned, just do a "Greatest Hits" thing?   Or are you suggesting maybe should I should just join the AARP TRF crowd and fall into one of the "Rush sucks after 'X' album" camps that permeate the forum?

My admitting there were times where Ged's voice was a bit painful to listen to, but I was still thankful to have the opportunity to hear them again, was blind and deaf gushing?  I wasn't acknowledging that there were times were Ged was not having his best night?

Your comment of "I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it" literally made me laugh out loud.  First of all, I was indeed knocking the overall tone of the thread, but I was not knocking any one person.  I was knocking the fact people come back to the same tired arguments over and over and over again when reality has not changed.... these guys are old and can't play the same way they did decades ago.   Apparently understanding *that* requires more brainpower than some people have.  Secondly, you seemed to have badly missed the two key messages in my post. For someone apparently claiming to have the higher intellectual ground here, it seems pretty obvious you do not.

Here's the thing.... I can pretty clearly demonstrate that I do have a brain and I do use it.  I generally think you are equally one of the people on the forum who do those things, as well.  I just have to wonder if you misplaced those things for a while.

PS  For the record, I actually think the R40 release is not their best live work by a long shot.  What I am able to partition in my mind, though, is the fact it is representative of where the band was at that stage of their lives and careers.  Maybe I was foolish to expect something more than that... or maybe I am a realist.

EagleMoon is only happy while bitching at full volume.

Who crapped in your cornflakes? Twernt me.  ;)

Right....a bird didn't shit in something.  Tell me another one.

I'm sorry you don't have a sense of humor. Wow.

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 03:54 PM

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 09:26 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 09 February 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 09 February 2016 - 02:18 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 09 February 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 09 February 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 06 February 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 25 January 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 25 January 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 January 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 23 January 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

:facepalm:

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

My take:  Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone.  They were, in fact, perfect.  Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without?  Yes, of course.  Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences.  But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear.  For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves.  That's hard to do.  They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist.  They could have played Dreamline... again.  They could have done a lot, lot worse.

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others.  I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs.  But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades.  Indeed, it was painful at moments, but  I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

Thank you, Eagle.  I had a post in response, but I decided:  why bother?  

You said it nicer than I would have anyway.

I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it.

Dumbing down of the world.

Obviously, I am coming back to this a bit late.

But, yeah, really...

My suggesting the band did a good job of trying to balance the various fan demands in created the set list is dumbing things down?  Its not acknowledging there is a lot of complexity and diversity to the history of the band?  It's not simply saying I appreciated the fact they put some thought into the list and did not, as I mentioned, just do a "Greatest Hits" thing?   Or are you suggesting maybe should I should just join the AARP TRF crowd and fall into one of the "Rush sucks after 'X' album" camps that permeate the forum?

My admitting there were times where Ged's voice was a bit painful to listen to, but I was still thankful to have the opportunity to hear them again, was blind and deaf gushing?  I wasn't acknowledging that there were times were Ged was not having his best night?

Your comment of "I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it" literally made me laugh out loud.  First of all, I was indeed knocking the overall tone of the thread, but I was not knocking any one person.  I was knocking the fact people come back to the same tired arguments over and over and over again when reality has not changed.... these guys are old and can't play the same way they did decades ago.   Apparently understanding *that* requires more brainpower than some people have.  Secondly, you seemed to have badly missed the two key messages in my post. For someone apparently claiming to have the higher intellectual ground here, it seems pretty obvious you do not.

Here's the thing.... I can pretty clearly demonstrate that I do have a brain and I do use it.  I generally think you are equally one of the people on the forum who do those things, as well.  I just have to wonder if you misplaced those things for a while.

PS  For the record, I actually think the R40 release is not their best live work by a long shot.  What I am able to partition in my mind, though, is the fact it is representative of where the band was at that stage of their lives and careers.  Maybe I was foolish to expect something more than that... or maybe I am a realist.

EagleMoon is only happy while bitching at full volume.

Who crapped in your cornflakes? Twernt me.  ;)

Right....a bird didn't shit in something.  Tell me another one.

I'm sorry you don't have a sense of humor. Wow.

Wow, do you see the irony of your statement?

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 10:19 PM

View PostLedRush, on 09 February 2016 - 09:26 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 09 February 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 09 February 2016 - 02:18 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 09 February 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 09 February 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 06 February 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 25 January 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 25 January 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 January 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 23 January 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

:facepalm:

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

My take:  Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone.  They were, in fact, perfect.  Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without?  Yes, of course.  Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences.  But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear.  For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves.  That's hard to do.  They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist.  They could have played Dreamline... again.  They could have done a lot, lot worse.

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others.  I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs.  But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades.  Indeed, it was painful at moments, but  I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

Thank you, Eagle.  I had a post in response, but I decided:  why bother?  

You said it nicer than I would have anyway.

I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it.

Dumbing down of the world.

Obviously, I am coming back to this a bit late.

But, yeah, really...

My suggesting the band did a good job of trying to balance the various fan demands in created the set list is dumbing things down?  Its not acknowledging there is a lot of complexity and diversity to the history of the band?  It's not simply saying I appreciated the fact they put some thought into the list and did not, as I mentioned, just do a "Greatest Hits" thing?   Or are you suggesting maybe should I should just join the AARP TRF crowd and fall into one of the "Rush sucks after 'X' album" camps that permeate the forum?

My admitting there were times where Ged's voice was a bit painful to listen to, but I was still thankful to have the opportunity to hear them again, was blind and deaf gushing?  I wasn't acknowledging that there were times were Ged was not having his best night?

Your comment of "I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it" literally made me laugh out loud.  First of all, I was indeed knocking the overall tone of the thread, but I was not knocking any one person.  I was knocking the fact people come back to the same tired arguments over and over and over again when reality has not changed.... these guys are old and can't play the same way they did decades ago.   Apparently understanding *that* requires more brainpower than some people have.  Secondly, you seemed to have badly missed the two key messages in my post. For someone apparently claiming to have the higher intellectual ground here, it seems pretty obvious you do not.

Here's the thing.... I can pretty clearly demonstrate that I do have a brain and I do use it.  I generally think you are equally one of the people on the forum who do those things, as well.  I just have to wonder if you misplaced those things for a while.

PS  For the record, I actually think the R40 release is not their best live work by a long shot.  What I am able to partition in my mind, though, is the fact it is representative of where the band was at that stage of their lives and careers.  Maybe I was foolish to expect something more than that... or maybe I am a realist.

EagleMoon is only happy while bitching at full volume.

Who crapped in your cornflakes? Twernt me.  ;)

Right....a bird didn't shit in something.  Tell me another one.

I'm sorry you don't have a sense of humor. Wow.

Wow, do you see the irony of your statement?

I did :)

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View Postlerxt1990, on 09 February 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 09 February 2016 - 09:26 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 09 February 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

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View PostEagleMoon, on 23 January 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostWorkingAllTheTime, on 23 January 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

:facepalm:

That's my overall reaction to this thread.

My take:  Leave the R40 set lists (all of them) alone.  They were, in fact, perfect.  Was there a song X, Y, or Z fan could have done without?  Yes, of course.  Over the course of 40+ years the band has built a variety of fans with a variety of preferences.  But there were also plenty of songs that made X, Y, or Z fan grin ear-to-ear.  For my money, the band did a remarkable job of A) touching on the vast canon of their career, and B) putting a little something in there for everyone... including themselves.  That's hard to do.  They could have mailed it in as a "best of" setlist.  They could have played Dreamline... again.  They could have done a lot, lot worse.

Sure, Ged sounded great on some songs and terrible on others.  I saw some back-to-back shows where he was inconsistent on the same songs.  But that's life and touring and a life of touring for 4 decades.  Indeed, it was painful at moments, but  I am just thankful they gave us one more spin.

Quit complaining about people actually having an opinion rather than just blind and deaf gushing over every release.

Thank you, Eagle.  I had a post in response, but I decided:  why bother?  

You said it nicer than I would have anyway.

I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it.

Dumbing down of the world.

Obviously, I am coming back to this a bit late.

But, yeah, really...

My suggesting the band did a good job of trying to balance the various fan demands in created the set list is dumbing things down?  Its not acknowledging there is a lot of complexity and diversity to the history of the band?  It's not simply saying I appreciated the fact they put some thought into the list and did not, as I mentioned, just do a "Greatest Hits" thing?   Or are you suggesting maybe should I should just join the AARP TRF crowd and fall into one of the "Rush sucks after 'X' album" camps that permeate the forum?

My admitting there were times where Ged's voice was a bit painful to listen to, but I was still thankful to have the opportunity to hear them again, was blind and deaf gushing?  I wasn't acknowledging that there were times were Ged was not having his best night?

Your comment of "I just get tired of people getting criticized for having a brain in their heads and actually using it" literally made me laugh out loud.  First of all, I was indeed knocking the overall tone of the thread, but I was not knocking any one person.  I was knocking the fact people come back to the same tired arguments over and over and over again when reality has not changed.... these guys are old and can't play the same way they did decades ago.   Apparently understanding *that* requires more brainpower than some people have.  Secondly, you seemed to have badly missed the two key messages in my post. For someone apparently claiming to have the higher intellectual ground here, it seems pretty obvious you do not.

Here's the thing.... I can pretty clearly demonstrate that I do have a brain and I do use it.  I generally think you are equally one of the people on the forum who do those things, as well.  I just have to wonder if you misplaced those things for a while.

PS  For the record, I actually think the R40 release is not their best live work by a long shot.  What I am able to partition in my mind, though, is the fact it is representative of where the band was at that stage of their lives and careers.  Maybe I was foolish to expect something more than that... or maybe I am a realist.

EagleMoon is only happy while bitching at full volume.

Who crapped in your cornflakes? Twernt me.  ;)

Right....a bird didn't shit in something.  Tell me another one.

I'm sorry you don't have a sense of humor. Wow.

Wow, do you see the irony of your statement?

I did :)

I would congratulate you, but it's so obvious that it's shocking that Eagle didn't.

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Posted 10 February 2016 - 03:08 PM

True story. I'm watching R40 last night when my wife happened to walk in the room. Lakeside park was playing as she walked between me and the TV when she noticeably cringed and said "Wow, someones out of tune".

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 10:44 AM

Think about it this way. At least you got to see Rush! The Denver Concert was my first Concert ever and it was a night that changed my life. A lot of huge Rush fans would have loved to see them live no matter what the set list was, so don't complain about 1 song being worst than the others. They are all great in their own right. I mean at least it's not Tai Shan

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Posted 12 February 2016 - 03:07 PM

View Postnicky6, on 22 November 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

has to be "how it is" not a bad song. but geddy ruins it.. horrible singing... hope you people don't think hes a better singer than don Henley or anyone else in that  range..

That would be Clockwork Angels, and Far Cry.  Horrific.  Amazing that the older songs sound much much MUCH better.

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Posted 13 February 2016 - 06:02 PM

View Postchemistry1973, on 12 February 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

View Postnicky6, on 22 November 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

has to be "how it is" not a bad song. but geddy ruins it.. horrible singing... hope you people don't think hes a better singer than don Henley or anyone else in that  range..

That would be Clockwork Angels, and Far Cry.  Horrific.  Amazing that the older songs sound much much MUCH better.
Horrific is pretty strong...I've heard worse.

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Posted 14 February 2016 - 12:18 PM

View Postandreww, on 10 February 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

True story. I'm watching R40 last night when my wife happened to walk in the room. Lakeside park was playing as she walked between me and the TV when she noticeably cringed and said "Wow, someones out of tune".

Did you,

Ask her when dinner would be ready? :P

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 06:51 PM

View Posttroutman, on 14 February 2016 - 12:18 PM, said:

View Postandreww, on 10 February 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

True story. I'm watching R40 last night when my wife happened to walk in the room. Lakeside park was playing as she walked between me and the TV when she noticeably cringed and said "Wow, someones out of tune".

Did you,

Ask her when dinner would be ready? :P

"Wow, someone's out of tune."

"Must be you not in tune with dinner time, can we please eat now?"

lol

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 08:41 PM

View PostDirtyMidnighter, on 23 November 2015 - 12:26 PM, said:

Wow, you guys. Why all the hate for How It Is? Along with Losing It, this song is the absolute highlight of the album and setlist for me. They didn't play it at either show I went to so hearing it for the first time in the car yesterday literally moved me to tears. I've always loved that song and going back for it was 100 percent a good call. It seems like the Vapor Trails hate will never end on this forum but I can tell you, as someone who came into Rush circa 2000, Vapor Trails is one of the best Rush albums period.

Too bad! I was so surprised when Geddy announced this song and I was fckn thrilled! Especially since the remaster revealed some sweet-ass melodies I hadn't noticed b4



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