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[Fridge]

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously?

Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean.

Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them.

I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over

[fraroc]

This is Neil's problem, he thinks that everyone will magically be fine with whatever decision he's going to make. Whether it's his fans or bandmates, it doesn't matter, what Neil wants, Neil gets. I shouldn't be too surprised that he's like this, seeing as how the song Anthem and Something For Nothing sort of summarizes his position on life. "Only your opinion matters, it's your life, do what you want." but is it a bad thing to have things done more democratically? Keep the opinions of people close to you in mind?

That's what annoys me about Rush ending it. This was NOT a democratic decision amongst the trio, this was all Neil.

Edited by fraroc, 25 October 2015 - 03:33 PM.

[Union 5-3992]

The band is not a democracy. It never has been. Any member has always had veto power. They never did anything without a unanimous decision

[Digital Dad]

fraroc, on 25 October 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

This is Neil's problem, he thinks that everyone will magically be fine with whatever decision he's going to make. Whether it's his fans or bandmates, it doesn't matter, what Neil wants, Neil gets. I shouldn't be too surprised that he's like this, seeing as how the song Anthem and Something For Nothing sort of summarizes his position on life. "Only your opinion matters, it's your life, do what you want." but is it a bad thing to have things done more democratically? Keep the opinions of people close to you in mind?

That's what annoys me about Rush ending it. This was NOT a democratic decision amongst the trio, this was all Neil.

You are reaching again.

[Ancient Ways]

AnEggplant, on 25 October 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

I get what you're saying, and I agree, however Geddy has stated that he doesn't want to play if the other two guys aren't involved.

And that's a choice geddy made, not Neil.  And if that's what geddy wants I support it

[Anthemic]

Ancient Ways, on 25 October 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

AnEggplant, on 25 October 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

I get what you're saying, and I agree, however Geddy has stated that he doesn't want to play if the other two guys aren't involved.

And that's a choice geddy made, not Neil.  And if that's what geddy wants I support it

that's how geddy feels now but i'll bet after a while he'll be thinking that alex and some other drummer are enough.

[Digital Dad]

Anthemic, on 25 October 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

Ancient Ways, on 25 October 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

AnEggplant, on 25 October 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

I get what you're saying, and I agree, however Geddy has stated that he doesn't want to play if the other two guys aren't involved.

And that's a choice geddy made, not Neil.  And if that's what geddy wants I support it

that's how geddy feels now but i'll bet after a while he'll be thinking that alex and some other drummer are enough.

You guys really need to come to the realization that they are most likely done with any large scale touring.  Just like they said. It's not going to be with a replacement drummer.

[Anthemic]

Digital Dad, on 25 October 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

Anthemic, on 25 October 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

Ancient Ways, on 25 October 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

AnEggplant, on 25 October 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

I get what you're saying, and I agree, however Geddy has stated that he doesn't want to play if the other two guys aren't involved.

And that's a choice geddy made, not Neil.  And if that's what geddy wants I support it

that's how geddy feels now but i'll bet after a while he'll be thinking that alex and some other drummer are enough.

You guys really need to come to the realization that they are most likely done with any large scale touring.  Just like they said. It's not going to be with a replacement drummer.

you don't know what's going to happen any more than i do.  i just would prefer to think some day i will see live rush music again played by as many members of rush as still want to play it.  maybe you think i'm foolish for keeping that hope alive but if you knew what rush meant to me and my wife you be less inclined to piss on it.

[Digital Dad]

Anthemic, on 25 October 2015 - 04:22 PM, said:

Digital Dad, on 25 October 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

Anthemic, on 25 October 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

Ancient Ways, on 25 October 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

AnEggplant, on 25 October 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

I get what you're saying, and I agree, however Geddy has stated that he doesn't want to play if the other two guys aren't involved.

And that's a choice geddy made, not Neil.  And if that's what geddy wants I support it

that's how geddy feels now but i'll bet after a while he'll be thinking that alex and some other drummer are enough.

You guys really need to come to the realization that they are most likely done with any large scale touring.  Just like they said. It's not going to be with a replacement drummer.

you don't know what's going to happen any more than i do.  i just would prefer to think some day i will see live rush music again played by as many members of rush as still want to play it.  maybe you think i'm foolish for keeping that hope alive but if you knew what rush meant to me and my wife you be less inclined to piss on it.

I'm not pissing on anything, just Reiterating what has been said in the press by the members of the band. Rush means something to all of us and been a huge part of my life since 1987. But it is what it is man. Do t make it something it isn't. Like a lot of others here I do have hope they do something in he future and beleive they will.

[Segue Myles]

No.

And Zumbi and Fraroc can cry for days, but time waits for no man and he deserves retirement. If he was a builder, or a garbage man, or a dentist and was the best in any of those fields, we would not be arguing.

[AnEggplant]

Segue Myles, on 25 October 2015 - 04:52 PM, said:

No.

And Zumbi and Fraroc can cry for days, but time waits for no man and he deserves retirement. If he was a builder, or a garbage man, or a dentist and was the best in any of those fields, we would not be arguing.

This. He doesn't owe us anything. He also shouldn't be obligated to play with his bandmates anymore.

[Ancient Ways]

Anthemic, on 25 October 2015 - 04:22 PM, said:

Digital Dad, on 25 October 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

Anthemic, on 25 October 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

Ancient Ways, on 25 October 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

AnEggplant, on 25 October 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

I get what you're saying, and I agree, however Geddy has stated that he doesn't want to play if the other two guys aren't involved.

And that's a choice geddy made, not Neil.  And if that's what geddy wants I support it

that's how geddy feels now but i'll bet after a while he'll be thinking that alex and some other drummer are enough.

You guys really need to come to the realization that they are most likely done with any large scale touring.  Just like they said. It's not going to be with a replacement drummer.

you don't know what's going to happen any more than i do.  i just would prefer to think some day i will see live rush music again played by as many members of rush as still want to play it.  maybe you think i'm foolish for keeping that hope alive but if you knew what rush meant to me and my wife you be less inclined to piss on it.

You think rush means more to you than the rest of us here?  Who do you think you are saying something like this?  We ALL want to see them again but (some of us) support whichever decision they make.  Your feeling of entitlement to them is why Neil doesn't want to meet you othe rest of us.

[Digital Dad]

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Edited by Digital Dad, 25 October 2015 - 06:11 PM.

[EagleMoon]

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously?

Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean.

Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them.

I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over

[Fridge]

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously?

Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean.

Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them.

I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over

Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really?

[EagleMoon]

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously?

Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean.

Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them.

I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over

Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really?

Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the ignorance.

[Union 5-3992]

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously?

Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean.

Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them.

I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over

Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really?

Try listening to the newest alum by Black Sabbath. Bill Ward isn't there and you can definitely tell. There's something completely lost without him

[Fridge]

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 07:28 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously?

Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean.

Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them.

I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over

Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really?

Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the ignorance.

Sorry, there was nothing ignorant at all about my post, merely opinion which I backed up...you don't have to agree, but cop out statements like that don't make your point any more valid...so I ask you again, try reasoned argument against my points, or forfeit any respect for your opinion.

[EagleMoon]

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 07:33 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 07:28 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Fridge, on 25 October 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Think I'll lob a grenade into the convo......

As far as I am concerned, let him retire, but why not replace him for a farewell tour or something?

And I don't want to hear any nonsense that he is irreplaceable, he is not...it's not as if he wrote any of the music, is it?

Many bands have survived the departure of a member, and I don't see why they couldn't if they chose.

Geddy has dramatically improved as a lyricist, and it might even be nice not to have to hear him crowbar an excessive amount of words into each line.

However, if Alex is struggling, then that is a much more serious blow.

You don't consider drums a part of the music? Seriously?

Of course I do, but I think you're being a little disingenuous here, and you know exactly what I mean.

Neil did indeed come up with his drum parts, but he didn't write any riffs on the guitar and keys...he fitted in what he did around them.

I'm not saying it would be the same, but there are many drummers who could have done a good job for them...now, take Geddy or Alex out of the picture and it is indeed, game over

Is that the best you can come up with to refute my points?...Really?

Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the ignorance.

Sorry, there was nothing ignorant at all about my post, merely opinion which I backed up...you don't have to agree, but cop out statements like that don't make your point any more valid...so I ask you again, try reasoned argument against my points, or forfeit any respect for your opinion.

Tell me how you legitimately backed anything up with facts and I'll give your comment due consideration.

[Segue Myles]

All this arguing is starting to make Apocalypse Now feel like a rom com!

Let Neil retire.

All who say otherwise are even more selfish than what they accuse him of being.

A man wants to live his life. A bunch of nobodies who claim to love his art boo and hiss.

Meh.

Edited by Segue Myles, 25 October 2015 - 07:43 PM.