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Is Neil Peart a selfish prick?

  1. Yes (2 votes [2.60%] - View)

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  2. No (66 votes [85.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 85.71%

  3. Kinda (9 votes [11.69%] - View)

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#21 Chicken hawk

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 08:19 AM

No    i doubt he is..He's just private. Whats wrong with that ? :P

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 08:21 AM

his books show him to be a condescending entitled misanthropic prick, but whether or not he's actually a selfish prick is harder to tell.

i think the odds are very good that he is based on reading his own descriptions of himself not on him dumping rush.



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Posted 25 October 2015 - 08:29 AM

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

Well, the question is not as simple as simple saying "he owes us nothing" because "we" aren't the only ones in this equation.
There are two other guys in the band, a dedicated band of crew members, support teams at the label and the manager and label itself. It is inconceivable that no-one in the "inner circle" will feel bitter about Peart making a presumably unilateral decision that suits him but nobody else.

If reports and anecdotes are to be believed then they will not tour any more. There will be no one off gig, residency, nada. Recording a new album or releasing further live material will not finance the people who work around the edges of the band. The proof that Peart's decision is not totally accepted by the rest of the band is that this was not called "The Farewell Tour" and the proof that Peart has been a dick about it is the fact that they haven't been over to the UK and Europe. An extra couple of months then done forever instead people like me, a committed fan for 40 years, get nothing. If the band had been completely clear, no misdirection about one off gigs or residencies, then I would have ponied up the cash to catch a gig in Canada or the US knowing that it was a kind of justifiable expenditure given the circumstances.
Just to be clear this isn't some childish sense of entitlement, Rush have been a massive part of my life for 40 years. That's longer than I've known my wife, some of my friends, and of course much longer than many of you have been alive. Why should some people get to see the last hurrah and not others? Why should some non fan win tickets to see their final tour but 40 plus year fans get nothing?
The band owes us nothing does it? The one time they could have repaid the loyalty of their incredible fans in full and they fudge it.
Ungrateful and inconsiderate.
To be fair I can see this point as well. I still don't begrudge him his retirement and in this position the fence post I am sitting on is getting real uncomfortable too. Yowza! Having not been given what most would consider a "reasonable shot" to say a proper goodbye might leave me a bit put off as well after my 40 years of investment. I just had to drive 4 or 5 hours each way. With me personally however I just don't give a sh*t about that much anymore to begin with and wish the folks who did and still really do could have seen them in my stead...

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 08:34 AM

No, he's not selfish - 40 years is incredible. If he wants to retire, then let him. He's earned that right.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 08:58 AM

It's not anymore of a prick than anyone else that wants to retire at his age.

We all live our lives to serve our best interests first, our families a close second, and everyone else's a distance third.

Anyone that even suggests that fame and fortune come above all else has a f***ed up sense of reality.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 10:52 AM

I thought it was partly health related anyway, with Peart's Tendonitis and Lifeson's Arthritis, both of them are finding the 3 hour shows gruelling and painful.
So, No. I see nothing prickish about calling it a day.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 11:42 AM

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 07:35 AM, said:

 Principled Man, on 25 October 2015 - 06:23 AM, said:

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

The proof that Peart's decision is not totally accepted by the rest of the band is that this was not called "The Farewell Tour"....

The proof that you're wrong:  The band has publically stated that they have no interest in doing an official "farewell tour".  They consider it cheap and cliche, as so many bands change their minds and do reunion tours.  

More proof that you're wrong:  Direct quote from Geddy: "There will be no bad guy when the end comes."  When Geddy says that no one is a dick, then there's no dick.  The only dick is the selfish fan.  

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Why should some people get to see the last hurrah and not others?

Because that's life.  Deal with it.  We're lucky that they toured at all.  Why not have all fans around the world make demands to have the band tour every continent, just so they can see them one last time?  Hell, they should do a full 2-year world tour......NOT.  

Did you get the opportunity to see them this tour? Did you never say "if this is to be the last I'm going to get the most I can out of it"?
Apparently you believe I am a dick for stating my opinion but the fact that you cannot see my point of view about touring over here shows who the real dick is.

You are missing a lot of valuable info here Tony. Yeah you have a right to be pissed. But no more right the man has to make his own decisions involving his future as a musician and his family future and well being. So that's not selfish In the slightest bit. YMMV but his decision is the right one. Maybe in the future he will change his mind but I wouldn't expect it at this point. Best bet is to move on and hold those memories dearly.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 11:56 AM

It's not an issue of retirement it's the manner (or lack of them) in which it was carried out that is frustrating.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 11:57 AM

Yeah, and I'm pissed at my mentor for retiring and getting out of IT and dropping off the grid.

Becasue i can't pick his brain anymore and ask him for advice.

Not.   Totally respect his decisions for his life.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 12:00 PM

 grep, on 25 October 2015 - 11:57 AM, said:

Yeah, and I'm pissed at my mentor for retiring and getting out of IT and dropping off the grid.

Becasue i can't pick his brain anymore and ask him for advice.

Not.   Totally respect his decisions for his life.

Again, there are other people dependent on him and in the absence of being able to force him what can the other members of the band do?
Clearly Geddy would have preferred to spread the tour further afield, what about his decisions about his life?


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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:04 PM

Could have been handled better but it's ultimately their decision. I'm just happy I was able to see them when I did.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:06 PM

There's the possibility too that musicians in their 60s are approaching that dreaded moment on stage when they simply can't go on - imagine the middle of a show when the pain in your joints is too great to bear and you have to stop the show.  It happened to Lemmy not too long ago and he had to stop the show after three songs.  Maybe the dread of that happening is not something Peart wants to contemplate.

I'm just speculating like the rest of folks on here, I guess, but the fairest thing I can think of to say is that there are a multitude of factors that influence decisions - physical, psychological and emotional - and not one of us knows Neil Peart.

Much of the music they've given us is priceless and sort of timeless.  They've made some mistakes along the way but for the most part they've contributed some really amazing things to my life, which is why I'm a fan of their music to the extent that I am.

I do feel for the folks in Europe and South America and Australia and everywhere else they have fans, but I would hope the disappointment is kept in perspective - "too bad they didn't make it over to see us" - and not some strange personal sense of anger and injustice directed at them - "they owe us; look how we have supported them!"  I'm certain that a younger, stronger Rush (okay, Geddy's exempt because he's like the Energizer Bunny or something) would be all over getting on airplanes and touring the world again.  I hope the anger is really just some manifestation of that universal feeling of despair that people get old and things eventually come to an end.

I hope this last tour video is some consolation to those fans that didn't get to see them (those who haven't already watched the hundreds of youtube videos) -  so far it looks like it's going to be pretty great.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:10 PM

 EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 01:04 PM, said:

Could have been handled better but it's ultimately their decision. I'm just happy I was able to see them when I did.
Ultimately it appears it was Peart's decision.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:13 PM

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 01:10 PM, said:

 EagleMoon, on 25 October 2015 - 01:04 PM, said:

Could have been handled better but it's ultimately their decision. I'm just happy I was able to see them when I did.
Ultimately it appears it was Peart's decision.

Whatever. Still same result.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:36 PM

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

 grep, on 25 October 2015 - 11:57 AM, said:

Yeah, and I'm pissed at my mentor for retiring and getting out of IT and dropping off the grid.

Becasue i can't pick his brain anymore and ask him for advice.

Not.   Totally respect his decisions for his life.

Again, there are other people dependent on him and in the absence of being able to force him what can the other members of the band do?
Clearly Geddy would have preferred to spread the tour further afield, what about his decisions about his life?

Ehh. The only people in the slightest bit dependent on Neil are his wife and young daughter.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:39 PM

 Digital Dad, on 25 October 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

 grep, on 25 October 2015 - 11:57 AM, said:

Yeah, and I'm pissed at my mentor for retiring and getting out of IT and dropping off the grid.

Becasue i can't pick his brain anymore and ask him for advice.

Not.   Totally respect his decisions for his life.

Again, there are other people dependent on him and in the absence of being able to force him what can the other members of the band do?
Clearly Geddy would have preferred to spread the tour further afield, what about his decisions about his life?

Ehh. The only people in the slightest bit dependent on Neil are his wife and young daughter.

That's a bit naive. The band relies on all three wanting to tour, clearly the other two are dependant on Peart's consent.



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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:43 PM

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 01:39 PM, said:

 Digital Dad, on 25 October 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

 grep, on 25 October 2015 - 11:57 AM, said:

Yeah, and I'm pissed at my mentor for retiring and getting out of IT and dropping off the grid.

Becasue i can't pick his brain anymore and ask him for advice.

Not.   Totally respect his decisions for his life.

Again, there are other people dependent on him and in the absence of being able to force him what can the other members of the band do?
Clearly Geddy would have preferred to spread the tour further afield, what about his decisions about his life?

Ehh. The only people in the slightest bit dependent on Neil are his wife and young daughter.

That's a bit naive. The band relies on all three wanting to tour, clearly the other two are dependant on Peart's consent.

No it isn't. You have a family right??

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:45 PM

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 07:35 AM, said:

 Principled Man, on 25 October 2015 - 06:23 AM, said:

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

The proof that Peart's decision is not totally accepted by the rest of the band is that this was not called "The Farewell Tour"....

The proof that you're wrong:  The band has publically stated that they have no interest in doing an official "farewell tour".  They consider it cheap and cliche, as so many bands change their minds and do reunion tours.  

More proof that you're wrong:  Direct quote from Geddy: "There will be no bad guy when the end comes."  When Geddy says that no one is a dick, then there's no dick.  The only dick is the selfish fan.  

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Why should some people get to see the last hurrah and not others?

Because that's life.  Deal with it.  We're lucky that they toured at all.  Why not have all fans around the world make demands to have the band tour every continent, just so they can see them one last time?  Hell, they should do a full 2-year world tour......NOT.  

Did you get the opportunity to see them this tour? Did you never say "if this is to be the last I'm going to get the most I can out of it"?
Apparently you believe I am a dick for stating my opinion but the fact that you cannot see my point of view about touring over here shows who the real dick is.

I got to see them once this tour.  It was great!   :haz:    When I was at the Show, I firmly believed that it would be the last time, and I was OK with it.  

I see your point of view just fine.  It's WRONG.  I simply disagreed with your opinion, and I gave facts to support my disagreement.  I'm sorry you can't handle that.

There's nothing wrong with being disappointed at not seeing them this Tour.  There is something very wrong with saying false things about the band or any of the guys in the band.

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:46 PM

 Digital Dad, on 25 October 2015 - 01:43 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 01:39 PM, said:

 Digital Dad, on 25 October 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

 grep, on 25 October 2015 - 11:57 AM, said:

Yeah, and I'm pissed at my mentor for retiring and getting out of IT and dropping off the grid.

Becasue i can't pick his brain anymore and ask him for advice.

Not.   Totally respect his decisions for his life.

Again, there are other people dependent on him and in the absence of being able to force him what can the other members of the band do?
Clearly Geddy would have preferred to spread the tour further afield, what about his decisions about his life?

Ehh. The only people in the slightest bit dependent on Neil are his wife and young daughter.


That's a bit naive. The band relies on all three wanting to tour, clearly the other two are dependant on Peart's consent.

No it isn't. You have a family right??
Almost everybody has a family. They also have commitments outside of the family.


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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:48 PM

 Principled Man, on 25 October 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 07:35 AM, said:

 Principled Man, on 25 October 2015 - 06:23 AM, said:

 Tony R, on 25 October 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

The proof that Peart's decision is not totally accepted by the rest of the band is that this was not called "The Farewell Tour"....

The proof that you're wrong:  The band has publically stated that they have no interest in doing an official "farewell tour".  They consider it cheap and cliche, as so many bands change their minds and do reunion tours.  

More proof that you're wrong:  Direct quote from Geddy: "There will be no bad guy when the end comes."  When Geddy says that no one is a dick, then there's no dick.  The only dick is the selfish fan.  

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Why should some people get to see the last hurrah and not others?

Because that's life.  Deal with it.  We're lucky that they toured at all.  Why not have all fans around the world make demands to have the band tour every continent, just so they can see them one last time?  Hell, they should do a full 2-year world tour......NOT.  

Did you get the opportunity to see them this tour? Did you never say "if this is to be the last I'm going to get the most I can out of it"?
Apparently you believe I am a dick for stating my opinion but the fact that you cannot see my point of view about touring over here shows who the real dick is.

I got to see them once this tour.  It was great!   :haz:    When I was at the Show, I firmly believed that it would be the last time, and I was OK with it.  

I see your point of view just fine.  It's WRONG.  I simply disagreed with your opinion, and I gave facts to support my disagreement.  I'm sorry you can't handle that.

There's nothing wrong with being disappointed at not seeing them this Tour.  There is something very wrong with saying false things about the band or any of the guys in the band.

Facts to support your disagreement that I can't handle?

Did you ever listen to yourself?







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