JohnRogers Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 So since Vapor Trails fans have complained of the sound from the producers choices. If we get another album will something like that be addressed? Is the band aware? Do they care? What question should I be asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 This looks like a nice and comfortable place to sit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I doubt they care much. Vapor Trails bothered them, so it makes sense that they fixed it. Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels haven't seemed to bother them when it comes to production, though I remember reading an interview somewhere saying Geddy tried to lay off the vocal layerings on Clockwork Angels, which he did. I don't think they care what we think when it comes to production. I never found much issue with the production on Snakes and Arrows, honestly. CA's a bit overbearing but not overly loud and disgusting like the original VT. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I don't think they care what we think when it comes to production. I don't either, but do you or anyone here happen to know who pays for it? Does Rush put up the money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 This looks like a nice and comfortable place to sit. :LMAO: and of course... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 This looks like a nice and comfortable place to sit. :LMAO: and of course... You know how these threads go. :d13: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I don't think they care.........They Fixed VT somewhat, lol only to do it again with CA........Yea they REALLY Care. thanks boys. if i sound bitter on this issue i am, lol Mick 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I doubt they care much. Vapor Trails bothered them, so it makes sense that they fixed it. Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels haven't seemed to bother them when it comes to production, though I remember reading an interview somewhere saying Geddy tried to lay off the vocal layerings on Clockwork Angels, which he did. I don't think they care what we think when it comes to production. I never found much issue with the production on Snakes and Arrows, honestly. CA's a bit overbearing but not overly loud and disgusting like the original VT.CA should bother them but I doubt it does. Too much (noise, layering etc) of a 75% really good thing... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 This looks like a nice and comfortable place to sit. :LMAO: and of course... You know how these threads go. :d13:We can only hope :) . Things have been moving kinda slow around here lately... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The problem lies in the mastering too. The digital versions are mastered to have too much loudness at all times. Sadly it's so common nowadays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? No idea, but I recall that Permanent Waves era interview with Geddy in which the interview mentioned that Fleetwood Mac had spent a couple of million on Tusk. Here's a link - 15 most expensive albums http://mentalfloss.com/article/57656/15-albums-cost-fortune-make Edited August 13, 2015 by toymaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? No idea, but I recall that Permanent Waves era interview with Geddy in which the interview mentioned that Fleetwood Mac had spent a couple of million on Tusk. Here's a link - 15 most expensive albums http://mentalfloss.c...st-fortune-make It must cost a couple of million today at least. I bring this up because I don't think when it comes to production, they are willing to go all out - the sky's the limit. Vapor Trails was produced at a time when not much money had been coming in Rush-wise for a few years. It could be that a lot of corners were cut to save money on the album. That's why I am bringing this money issue up. I don't think Ray would be willing to spend a lot of money on an album that could have fallen flat and really spelled the end for Rush. Just my thoughts. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The problem lies in the mastering too. The digital versions are mastered to have too much loudness at all times. Sadly it's so common nowadays. It really is. Bob Ludwig said that he usually presents 3 sets of masters to the artist and they usually pick the hot, compressed version. So thats dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? It's all going to depend on where they record it and who they use as a producer/engineer. You've got rental costs for the studio, you've got to pay the producer, engineers... etc. Recording an album even as cheaply as you can get one done today is going to be ~ $5000 -$10,000 and that's if an artist only spends a few days in the studio and doesn't do more than just basic recording. I would imagine they spend quite a bit more than this because they would spend more than just a few days in the studio. They can afford to rent out a place for a month or more and work on the music while they are there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2112YYZ Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? It's all going to depend on where they record it and who they use as a producer/engineer. You've got rental costs for the studio, you've got to pay the producer, engineers... etc. Recording an album even as cheaply as you can get one done today is going to be ~ $5000 -$10,000 and that's if an artist only spends a few days in the studio and doesn't do more than just basic recording. I would imagine they spend quite a bit more than this because they would spend more than just a few days in the studio. They can afford to rent out a place for a month or more and work on the music while they are there. Also, if the band adds things like an orchestra or choir to their songs, you're looking at extra money to pay these people to record their parts. Studio rental costs seems to be the big financial burden when it comes to recording an album. Black Sabbath recorded their first album in six hours because they couldn't afford anything else. I've known some people who have played in local bands, so i've heard how much of a financial issue it can be to afford studio time just to record a few songs. Obviously, a band like Rush is much more financially stable and can afford to take more time to get their albums finished now and not have it cripple them. Still, I think it was something special years ago when bands like Rush and others used to get a new album out every year. They just went into the studio and got it done. There was no messing around, no filler, just a band getting to the point and releasing something great. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? It's all going to depend on where they record it and who they use as a producer/engineer. You've got rental costs for the studio, you've got to pay the producer, engineers... etc. Recording an album even as cheaply as you can get one done today is going to be ~ $5000 -$10,000 and that's if an artist only spends a few days in the studio and doesn't do more than just basic recording. I would imagine they spend quite a bit more than this because they would spend more than just a few days in the studio. They can afford to rent out a place for a month or more and work on the music while they are there. Also, if the band adds things like an orchestra or choir to their songs, you're looking at extra money to pay these people to record their parts. Studio rental costs seems to be the big financial burden when it comes to recording an album. Black Sabbath recorded their first album in six hours because they couldn't afford anything else. I've known some people who have played in local bands, so i've heard how much of a financial issue it can be to afford studio time just to record a few songs. Obviously, a band like Rush is much more financially stable and can afford to take more time to get their albums finished now and not have it cripple them. Still, I think it was something special years ago when bands like Rush and others used to get a new album out every year. They just went into the studio and got it done. There was no messing around, no filler, just a band getting to the point and releasing something great. The Moody Blues recorded Days of Future Passed in one week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? No idea, but I recall that Permanent Waves era interview with Geddy in which the interview mentioned that Fleetwood Mac had spent a couple of million on Tusk. Here's a link - 15 most expensive albums http://mentalfloss.c...st-fortune-make It must cost a couple of million today at least. I bring this up because I don't think when it comes to production, they are willing to go all out - the sky's the limit. Vapor Trails was produced at a time when not much money had been coming in Rush-wise for a few years. It could be that a lot of corners were cut to save money on the album. That's why I am bringing this money issue up. I don't think Ray would be willing to spend a lot of money on an album that could have fallen flat and really spelled the end for Rush. Just my thoughts. :) Loads of smaller bands have great sounding albums. Money is not the problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? No idea, but I recall that Permanent Waves era interview with Geddy in which the interview mentioned that Fleetwood Mac had spent a couple of million on Tusk. Here's a link - 15 most expensive albums http://mentalfloss.c...st-fortune-make It must cost a couple of million today at least. I bring this up because I don't think when it comes to production, they are willing to go all out - the sky's the limit. Vapor Trails was produced at a time when not much money had been coming in Rush-wise for a few years. It could be that a lot of corners were cut to save money on the album. That's why I am bringing this money issue up. I don't think Ray would be willing to spend a lot of money on an album that could have fallen flat and really spelled the end for Rush. Just my thoughts. :) Loads of smaller bands have great sounding albums. Money is not the problem. Exactly. Money after a certain point doesn't necessarily buy you quality. That's up to the artist and the engineers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? No idea, but I recall that Permanent Waves era interview with Geddy in which the interview mentioned that Fleetwood Mac had spent a couple of million on Tusk. Here's a link - 15 most expensive albums http://mentalfloss.c...st-fortune-make It must cost a couple of million today at least. I bring this up because I don't think when it comes to production, they are willing to go all out - the sky's the limit. Vapor Trails was produced at a time when not much money had been coming in Rush-wise for a few years. It could be that a lot of corners were cut to save money on the album. That's why I am bringing this money issue up. I don't think Ray would be willing to spend a lot of money on an album that could have fallen flat and really spelled the end for Rush. Just my thoughts. :) Loads of smaller bands have great sounding albums. Money is not the problem. Exactly. Money after a certain point doesn't necessarily buy you quality. That's up to the artist and the engineers. Then that scratches that. So the albums sound bad because ?????? Edited August 13, 2015 by Lorraine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) One thing I noticed about VT is that it sounds contained. There's no fullness to the sound. It sounds like it was recorded in a cave. And that's a shame because there are some good songs on the album. This is, of course, my amateur opinion. If you, on the other hand, think the album is the cat's meow, fine. Edited August 14, 2015 by Lorraine 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? No idea, but I recall that Permanent Waves era interview with Geddy in which the interview mentioned that Fleetwood Mac had spent a couple of million on Tusk. Here's a link - 15 most expensive albums http://mentalfloss.c...st-fortune-make It must cost a couple of million today at least. I bring this up because I don't think when it comes to production, they are willing to go all out - the sky's the limit. Vapor Trails was produced at a time when not much money had been coming in Rush-wise for a few years. It could be that a lot of corners were cut to save money on the album. That's why I am bringing this money issue up. I don't think Ray would be willing to spend a lot of money on an album that could have fallen flat and really spelled the end for Rush. Just my thoughts. :) Loads of smaller bands have great sounding albums. Money is not the problem. Exactly. Money after a certain point doesn't necessarily buy you quality. That's up to the artist and the engineers. Then that scratches that. So the albums sound bad because ?????? I think the fault lies with the band. Mick Raskinjacksonflowerpower has produced some very good sounding albums, including SA. After VT, Rush should have known better. And they haven't come forward to complain or apologise, so either they subscribe to the Yukon Blade Grinder, or they are too busy rolling in the Benjamin's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) I still would like to know when they go into the studio to work on a new album, who foots the bill? And who pays for the producer? At this point, their company foots the bill. Would you happen to know, or can you give a good estimate, of how much the entire production (including paying the producer) of creating a new album would cost? No idea, but I recall that Permanent Waves era interview with Geddy in which the interview mentioned that Fleetwood Mac had spent a couple of million on Tusk. Here's a link - 15 most expensive albums http://mentalfloss.c...st-fortune-make It must cost a couple of million today at least. I bring this up because I don't think when it comes to production, they are willing to go all out - the sky's the limit. Vapor Trails was produced at a time when not much money had been coming in Rush-wise for a few years. It could be that a lot of corners were cut to save money on the album. That's why I am bringing this money issue up. I don't think Ray would be willing to spend a lot of money on an album that could have fallen flat and really spelled the end for Rush. Just my thoughts. :) Loads of smaller bands have great sounding albums. Money is not the problem. Exactly. Money after a certain point doesn't necessarily buy you quality. That's up to the artist and the engineers. Then that scratches that. So the albums sound bad because ?????? I think the fault lies with the band. Mick Raskinjacksonflowerpower has produced some very good sounding albums, including SA. After VT, Rush should have known better. And they haven't come forward to complain or apologise, so either they subscribe to the Yukon Blade Grinder, or they are too busy rolling in the Benjamin's. They subscribe to the YBG. I know because I sent them the complimentary umbrellas (it says on them Proud Reader of the Yukon Blade Grinder) and backscratchers we used to offer to entice folks to subscribe to the paper. Apparently it worked with Alex, Geddy and Neil. They all subscribed. :) Edited August 14, 2015 by Lorraine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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