Segue Myles Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Easy. I consider SA a musical enema with barbed wire. Only slow, ponderous and ultimately more painful than one might even expect from that description. Great production? Check. Great playing? Arguably, check. Fun? No. SA is one of the most boring albums I have ever heard, but to give it some credit, it is one of the best written bad albums ever. Sure, it has its fans. But I like it only a smidge more than Yes' Union, or Styx's Kilroy Was Here. I really loathe it. Oddly enough, live the songs are good to phenomenal. But for whatever reason, I really cannot stand the album. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemispheres4Echo Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 My vote goes to Clockwork Angels. I think Snakes and Arrows is better than Vapor Trails but it doesn't beat Clockwork Angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Won't win but Snakes man. all day any day. i don't buy the boring argument for one single second. Mick Edited June 16, 2015 by bluefox4000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) but to give it some credit, it is one of the best written bad albums ever. :P There's a back-handed compliment, if I've ever heard one. Haha! Overall, I like S&A more than a lot of people here. But CA still wins. Edited June 16, 2015 by Blue J 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I thought Snakes and Arrows was a decent effort, until the day Clockwork Angels came out. Nick came late to this project, so his contributions aren't that obvious. With CA, Nick took the band to their destination in grand style and focus. The songs just aren't that captivating, unlike CA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stone and a hard place Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 CA but I do like many of the songs on SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredtamasrule Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 S&A has some really great songs and some really unbearable songs. A very uneven piece or work. CA is a cohesive vision and one of their best albums IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtron Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 The three song run of Faithless, Bravest Face, and Good News First really make Snakes hard to sit through as an album. Another easy win for Clockwork Angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) I thought Snakes and Arrows was a decent effort, until the day Clockwork Angels came out. Nick came late to this project, so his contributions aren't that obvious. With CA, Nick took the band to their destination in grand style and focus. The songs just aren't that captivating, unlike CA. To my ears, CA has six captivating tracks. SA hasn't one. But like all albums, I like some a little less less than others. SA is BORING. I try and try, even putting it on shuffle, but it is one of the dullest experiences I have ever had with an album. It's beautifully played, I won't say this is terrible, because on paper this has all the ingredients for a real winner. But its stunningly middle of the road, and woefully overlong. Let's say that all the crazy talk ones blame me of having towards Topographic Oceans, well its what I think whenever this record gets high praise. I want so much to enjoy it, and as with all Rush albums I struggle with, I revisit it from time to time, but as with Counterparts, which I played two days ago, it seems to get worse and worse every time! For all the flack Geddy's vocals get around here for the CA album, I personally think he improved astronomically from SA. He whines through all these songs, which to be fair is not his fault. I mean, have you read the lyrics? I will try SA. For some reason, live I really appreciate some of these songs, but the album, for all its surface improvements from what went wrong with VT, sounds and feels unbearably flat. But Lerxt has some great acoustic moments. Thats an aspect of this album I will praise highly, and I hope one day they revisit this style with superior songs. Playing SA has honestly provided me with a newfound respect for CA. As I said in my evaluation of VT, production quality is NOT the be all and end all, if the songs are great the quality shines through. VT and CA trump CP and SA, and the shiniest, most robust production cannot improve these songs any more than glitter and tinsle on a turd. Edited June 16, 2015 by Segue Myles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 So many songs, so little time. CA... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 S&A's on the basis of production alone, it's the clear winner. I can actually listen to it for more than 5 minutes and not get ear fatigue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistantEarlySignals Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 CA and S&A are two albums with very different sounds. I think CA is more of their Prog sound, while S&A has a Beatle-esque feeling to it (As do parts of CA). They both only have one absolute loser track - CA with Halo Effect, and S&A with The Main Monkey Business. As far as S&A songs that I love, there are - Malignant NarcissismFar CryBravest FaceGood News FirstThe Way The Wind BlowsThe Larger BowlFaithlessWorkin' Them Angels Then There is the few tracks that I don't love, but I don't dislike, which are - Armor and SwordSpindriftHopeWe Hold On ----As far as Clockwork Angels goes, I love a good chunk of the album - CaravanBU2BClockwork AngelsThe AnarchistCarniesSeven Cities of GoldThe WreckersHeadlong FLightThe Garden Then there is the songs that I like, but don't love and don't dislike - Wish Them WellBU2B2----------- So overall it's Clockwork Angels for the win, although I would listen to either album.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Fucki ng Snakes and arrows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Well, well, well. Snakes & Arrows. :) S&A is like a rotten child you love despite their rottenness. :) The thing about Rush is that even on their worst albums there is a saving grace. Or two. Snakes is one of those albums. Some really good songs. Unfortunately, one tends to nod off at the half-way point. Unless, of course, you've packed a lunch. Then you can have a mini picnic at the mid-way point in listening to it. I voted for CA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Hey Segue! No Feedback? :laughing guy: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Hey Segue! No Feedback? :laughing guy: Erm...I did Feedback lol http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/topic/94205-ca-album-battle-18-clockwork-angels-vs-feedback/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Hey Segue! No Feedback? :laughing guy: Erm...I did Feedback lol http://www.therushfo...ls-vs-feedback/ Sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Hey Segue! No Feedback? :laughing guy: Erm...I did Feedback lol http://www.therushfo...ls-vs-feedback/ Sorry. This OK...I did it purely to avoid the normal "where's Feedback?" babble...I rushed to the next one quite quickly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakesideShark Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I think they're both great, but I'm gonna go with Snakes and Arrows because of "Far Cry", "Faithless" and "Bravest Face". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I am eagerly awaiting Battle 20: Clockwork Angels vs. Clockwork Angels A fight to the finish for sure. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Hey Segue! No Feedback? :laughing guy: Erm...I did Feedback lol http://www.therushfo...ls-vs-feedback/ Sorry. This OK...I did it purely to avoid the normal "where's Feedback?" babble...I rushed to the next one quite quickly! Smart move. ;) ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Na na na Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Clockwork Angels :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: :martini: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Do people actually sit down and listen to an album all the way through anymore? I usually pick and choose songs now with the digital format. It's a bit different than putting a needle to the record and letting it play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Do people actually sit down and listen to an album all the way through anymore? I usually pick and choose songs now with the digital format. It's a bit different than putting a needle to the record and letting it play. It depends on the album. It's easier to skip around on a CD than an actual album. On vinyls, you had to get the needle in just the right groove. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Do people actually sit down and listen to an album all the way through anymore? I usually pick and choose songs now with the digital format. It's a bit different than putting a needle to the record and letting it play.Yes. Right now I am listening to In It For the Money by Supergrass all the way thru. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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