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CA Album Battle 15: Clockwork Angels vs. Counterparts

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Poll: CA Album Battle 15: Clockwork Angels vs. Counterparts (60 member(s) have cast votes)

Which Is Best?

  1. Clockwork Angels (41 votes [68.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 68.33%

  2. Counterparts (19 votes [31.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 31.67%

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#61 Blue J

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 10:35 AM

I still have Thriller on vinyl. It was purchased new, in 1982. Very good condition, still.

Last I knew, Thriller had sold around 40 million, but I guess that was a number of years ago, too.

The Eagles Greatest Hits from 1971-'75 is in second place? Seriously? :huh:

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 10:50 AM

Segue, isn't it time for Test For Echo?  :)

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 10:53 AM

Actually, Vapor Trails.  We were on T4E yesterday.

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 10:54 AM

I just looked but I didn't see the T4E thread.  I'll look again.

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 11:30 AM

View PostA rocket that ignites itself, on 15 June 2015 - 10:53 AM, said:

Actually, Vapor Trails.  We were on T4E yesterday.

Should be interesting.

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 12:23 PM

^ I'd like a nickel each time the word "production/produced" gets used on the next one...

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 12:36 PM

View PostA rocket that ignites itself, on 15 June 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

^ I'd like a nickel each time the word "production/produced" gets used on the next one...

:beathorse: :beathorse: :beathorse:

There's no need to make a big production of it.



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Posted 15 June 2015 - 12:56 PM

Yeah not sommuch produced but just a bunch of random squeals and drum beats put to tape.

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Posted 25 June 2017 - 04:19 AM

The only 90's Rush album I dig vs the only 2000's Rush album I dig - CA is a stronger album IMO.
I found two clunkers on CP - The Speed of Love and Stick It Out(mainly due to very bad chorus) and only one stinker on CA - BU2B2. And the strongest tracks on CA easily trump the strongest tracks on CP.

Edited by Texas King, 25 June 2017 - 04:36 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2017 - 02:57 PM

Imagine if albums could really fight each other... :sundog:

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Posted 25 June 2017 - 03:14 PM

Counterparts is f***ing hideous with the buttock-clenchingly embarrassing Nobodys Hero as stand out stinker, whereas I can't really remember how anything on CA goes at all......

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 11:19 PM

CP  and the caveman

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 12:32 AM

View PostLedRush, on 14 June 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

View PostTexMike, on 13 June 2015 - 09:22 PM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 13 June 2015 - 08:41 PM, said:

View Postbigbobby10, on 13 June 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 13 June 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:

Rush's worst album vs. CA?  Is this a joke?

I think you are talking about the poll before this

Nope.  CP is more painful than a kick to the nuts, and it scared off a lot of fans who came back to Rush for RTB.

Uh, really?  Just who are these fans who "came back" for RTB?  And why the hell would they?  For Roll The Friggin' Bones???  We all get that you hate Counterparts, but RTB certainly wasn't a step back towards classic Rush either.  And that's putting it mildly.


Every album from MP to Presto sold fewer than the one before it...HYF and Presto went gold.  RTB went platinum, and CP went gold.
RTB had the most charting singles of any RUSH album, as well.

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 08:18 AM

View Posttreeduck, on 25 June 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

Imagine if albums could really fight each other... :sundog:

Here's 2112 vs A Farewell to Kings

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 10:32 AM

View PostTexMike, on 14 June 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 14 June 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

View PostTexMike, on 13 June 2015 - 09:22 PM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 13 June 2015 - 08:41 PM, said:

View Postbigbobby10, on 13 June 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 13 June 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:

Rush's worst album vs. CA?  Is this a joke?

I think you are talking about the poll before this

Nope.  CP is more painful than a kick to the nuts, and it scared off a lot of fans who came back to Rush for RTB.

Uh, really?  Just who are these fans who "came back" for RTB?  And why the hell would they?  For Roll The Friggin' Bones???  We all get that you hate Counterparts, but RTB certainly wasn't a step back towards classic Rush either.  And that's putting it mildly.


Every album from MP to Presto sold fewer than the one before it...HYF and Presto went gold.  RTB went platinum, and CP went gold.

I'll take your word for it that CP sold less than RTB because I honestly don't know (or care, really).

But higher sales doesn't prove quality.  You claimed that RTB sold better because many previous Rush fans "came back".  I would say that more likely it sold well because NEW fans were being drawn in from Rush being lost musically and continuing to pander to the mainstream.  RTB could not sound any less like classic Rush.  

If anything, CP was the album that drew old fans back because it at least showed them back to a heavy guitar driven sound reminiscent of their classic period.  Whether people prefer that or a softer sound like RTB is just opinion.

One last thing you have to remember is that grunge mania was in full force by the mid 90s.  ALL hard rock/ metal acts starting selling less.

I think maybe you need a personal story to help you realize how much Roll The Bones meant to some of us.

Background: I was a little kid when Grace Under Pressure came out and I loved it. When Power Windows came out I bought it on cassette and loved it too. In 1987, still not a teenager, I bought Hold Your Fire on vinyl and liked it a tiny bit less than the previous two albums. Over the next two years I started listening to a lot of other bands and RUSH became less important to me. When Presto came out I bought it and listened to it but not as much as any of the previous albums. I had lost interest. Another two years passes and I was firmly in my teenage years. Roll The Bones came out and I was a little more circumspect because I hadn't connected well with Presto. In the interim I had bought Archives, A Show Of Hands, and Chronicles. I liked the live album, enjoyed some of the songs that were new to me on Chronicles and hated the 3 albums on Archives.

I remember putting Roll The Bones on my turntable and thinking WOAH.. They are BACK! The keyboards that had been tucked away on Presto were once again more prominent and the songwriting was so much better. I really enjoyed most of the album right away. I listened to that album a lot and it was in that time period that I went and bought all of the old albums, largely because the latest album was connecting with me so well. Roll The Bones definitely reinvigorated my fandom after Presto. In contrast, I actually remember the day Counterparts came out because I was in the US at the time and people were doing the midnight lining-up thing they did back then. I think I saw the video for Stick It Out and it made me sad. Where were the keyboards? It sounded like they were trying to chase the in vogue grunge sound too.

At the time, I personally had a lot of animosity towards that sound because there was a real sense that it had become the only acceptable rock style and if you didn't sound like that your career was over. I didn't buy Counterparts that day. I waited until I was back in Europe and bought the German CD because it had a fancy case. I didn't even buy the German vinyl (which I regret to no end today) because I don't remember seeing it and I wasn't as invested. The complete lack of any synthesizers on Counterparts was a real drawback for me and I never really listened to the album. It was so bad that I didn't even bother with Test For Echo until years after it had been released. When I finally got it, I realized that Test For Echo really did remedy some of what I disliked about Counterparts, but it wasn't as good as Roll The Bones in my opinion.

So maybe none of those classic RUSH fans who think Caress Of Steel is a masterpiece came back for Roll The Bones, but certainly some of us that were big fans of the synth era did find their way back into the fold for Roll The Bones.

Edited by diatribein, 11 July 2017 - 06:58 PM.


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Posted 11 July 2017 - 12:25 PM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 11 July 2017 - 08:18 AM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 25 June 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

Imagine if albums could really fight each other... :sundog:

Here's 2112 vs A Farewell to Kings

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I assume Hulk becomes Bruce Banner for Madrigal?

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 06:56 PM

View Postgoose, on 11 July 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 11 July 2017 - 08:18 AM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 25 June 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

Imagine if albums could really fight each other... :sundog:

Here's 2112 vs A Farewell to Kings

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I assume Hulk becomes Bruce Banner for Madrigal?

Hehe.

I was thinking the other guy.
Here's Madrigal turning into Cygnus X-1...
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Xanadu!
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2112 beating up on Roll the Bones...
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Posted 15 July 2017 - 12:06 AM

Extremely close. Clockwork Angels gets my vote.





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