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Poll: CA Album Battle 15: Clockwork Angels vs. Counterparts (60 member(s) have cast votes)

Which Is Best?

  1. Clockwork Angels (41 votes [68.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 68.33%

  2. Counterparts (19 votes [31.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 31.67%

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#41 theredtamasrule

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 09:30 AM

While I think CP is a very good album with some great songs it also has Speed of Love (gag), Cold Fire (boooooring) and Everyday Glory (zzzzzz)...whereas I love CA.

CA quite easily.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 09:54 AM

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 09:01 AM, said:

If sound quality is so much more important than song quality I wonder why you all aren't listening to smooth jazz or classical primarily.  Nothing sounds better than that.

2112,Kings, Hemi, PeW, MP,Signals do sound better than jazz. Angels, as good as the songs are, hurts the ears. Thats fairly important. The singing and guitar solos, in addition to the production, are significantly superior on CP.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 10:14 AM

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View PostYYZumbi, on 13 June 2015 - 07:24 PM, said:

Counterparts by far, I just love it! Counterparts also have my first Rush song that I loved. Stick It Out.

You love Stick It Out...

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Respect buddy!

Yes I do... what´s wrong with that? It´s a great song!

I hate it a lot. It's awful to my ears!
Unlike Girls in their Summer Clothes a song I replay at least twice when it shuffles up on my iDevice.

Not sure if you are being serious or not, but Girls In Their Summer Clothes is one of my favourite songs.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 10:34 AM

Seriously probably his best song in twenty years. I rarely listen to it just once I often hit the replay button.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 10:36 AM

Went with "Counterparts" without hesitation.

This album was Rush sounding confident and back to being Rush.

I really felt the previous three albums they were kind of lost in the wilderness looking for "a sound".

I remember clearly listening to this album the day it came out.

From the opening of "Animate", I was like, "damn, this is the Rush album I had been waiting for!"

Great stuff...and a notch up from Clockwork Angels, in my opinion.

Definitely better sounding sonically.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 12:29 PM

View PostReGorLaTroy, on 14 June 2015 - 10:36 AM, said:

Went with "Counterparts" without hesitation.

I remember clearly listening to this album the day it came out.

As do I...I was in college, and I remember clearly that I skipped a class in order to go to the record shop :codger: (where I had just started working, a month before) at 10:00 AM, to buy it.

It was a rainy Tuesday morning in October of 1993...

I put it on in the car and had a reaction much the same as you did. I thought it was wonderful.

But as I said before- to my ears, it hasn't aged as well as a lot of the '80s catalog. Or I'm just not as taken with it as I used to be. So...Clockwork Angels it is, for me.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 12:51 PM

Rainy ☔ Tuesday in October, such a great memory!

Double Agent is a great comparison song to Angels, it has that hard rock CA fire, yet the CP mix in comparison is spectacular. Geds singing, especially the multi track vocal, is crisp and clear, among his best singing in the canon.

The background CP synths remind me alot of the background noise (synths? Strings?) on Angels, yet without the clutter, without the blocking of other instruments. And when Lifeson goes for the higher tones, it just doesn't work on Angels (something he gets perfect on the opening day of alien shore).


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Posted 14 June 2015 - 12:56 PM

Double Agent is definitely one of the great deep tracks in Rush's catalog. In my opinion.

But I still think a song like Headlong Flight or The Anarchist trumps it.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 01:08 PM

Yes Blue, HF and The A are awesome CA songs. I thought DA was a good comparison song, it has that hard rock fire, but CP, for me, has a few better, CTTC, LTTA, Anim, SIO, BSAM, DA, 6th CP song for me.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 01:55 PM

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View PostLedRush, on 13 June 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:

Rush's worst album vs. CA?  Is this a joke?

I think you are talking about the poll before this

Nope.  CP is more painful than a kick to the nuts, and it scared off a lot of fans who came back to Rush for RTB.

Uh, really?  Just who are these fans who "came back" for RTB?  And why the hell would they?  For Roll The Friggin' Bones???  We all get that you hate Counterparts, but RTB certainly wasn't a step back towards classic Rush either.  And that's putting it mildly.


Every album from MP to Presto sold fewer than the one before it...HYF and Presto went gold.  RTB went platinum, and CP went gold.

I'll take your word for it that CP sold less than RTB because I honestly don't know (or care, really).

But higher sales doesn't prove quality.  You claimed that RTB sold better because many previous Rush fans "came back".  I would say that more likely it sold well because NEW fans were being drawn in from Rush being lost musically and continuing to pander to the mainstream.  RTB could not sound any less like classic Rush.  

If anything, CP was the album that drew old fans back because it at least showed them back to a heavy guitar driven sound reminiscent of their classic period.  Whether people prefer that or a softer sound like RTB is just opinion.

One last thing you have to remember is that grunge mania was in full force by the mid 90s.  ALL hard rock/ metal acts starting selling less.

Edited by TexMike, 14 June 2015 - 02:16 PM.


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Posted 14 June 2015 - 02:34 PM

#1 selling album of all time is Eagles Greatest Hits and I doubt there are a lot of people here lining up to proclaim it quality.  I do like them but is clearly isn't the best album of all time so sales is only part of the equation.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 02:47 PM

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

#1 selling album of all time is Eagles Greatest Hits and I doubt there are a lot of people here lining up to proclaim it quality.  I do like them but is clearly isn't the best album of all time so sales is only part of the equation.

Erm...Michael Jackson's Thriller, anybody?

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 03:32 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

#1 selling album of all time is Eagles Greatest Hits and I doubt there are a lot of people here lining up to proclaim it quality.  I do like them but is clearly isn't the best album of all time so sales is only part of the equation.

Erm...Michael Jackson's Thriller, anybody?
Not sure what you mean, you like it or don't like it?

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 04:42 PM

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

#1 selling album of all time is Eagles Greatest Hits and I doubt there are a lot of people here lining up to proclaim it quality.  I do like them but is clearly isn't the best album of all time so sales is only part of the equation.

Erm...Michael Jackson's Thriller, anybody?
Not sure what you mean, you like it or don't like it?

Its the biggest selling album of all time not The Eagles...

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 05:01 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

#1 selling album of all time is Eagles Greatest Hits and I doubt there are a lot of people here lining up to proclaim it quality.  I do like them but is clearly isn't the best album of all time so sales is only part of the equation.

Erm...Michael Jackson's Thriller, anybody?
Not sure what you mean, you like it or don't like it?

Its the biggest selling album of all time not The Eagles...
Thriller must have sold a lot of albums in the last 15 years because I know the Eagles Greatest Hits is the best selling album of the 20th century.

#56 Segue Myles

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 05:24 PM

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

#1 selling album of all time is Eagles Greatest Hits and I doubt there are a lot of people here lining up to proclaim it quality.  I do like them but is clearly isn't the best album of all time so sales is only part of the equation.

Erm...Michael Jackson's Thriller, anybody?
Not sure what you mean, you like it or don't like it?

Its the biggest selling album of all time not The Eagles...
Thriller must have sold a lot of albums in the last 15 years because I know the Eagles Greatest Hits is the best selling album of the 20th century.

In the US maybe? Worldwide Thriller is the biggest selling. Its not a secret lol.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 05:25 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

#1 selling album of all time is Eagles Greatest Hits and I doubt there are a lot of people here lining up to proclaim it quality.  I do like them but is clearly isn't the best album of all time so sales is only part of the equation.

Erm...Michael Jackson's Thriller, anybody?
Not sure what you mean, you like it or don't like it?

Its the biggest selling album of all time not The Eagles...
Thriller must have sold a lot of albums in the last 15 years because I know the Eagles Greatest Hits is the best selling album of the 20th century.

In the US maybe? Worldwide Thriller is the biggest selling. Its not a secret lol.

I've always heard that it was Thriller as well.

#58 Segue Myles

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 05:30 PM

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View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

#1 selling album of all time is Eagles Greatest Hits and I doubt there are a lot of people here lining up to proclaim it quality.  I do like them but is clearly isn't the best album of all time so sales is only part of the equation.

Erm...Michael Jackson's Thriller, anybody?
Not sure what you mean, you like it or don't like it?

Its the biggest selling album of all time not The Eagles...
Thriller must have sold a lot of albums in the last 15 years because I know the Eagles Greatest Hits is the best selling album of the 20th century.

In the US maybe? Worldwide Thriller is the biggest selling. Its not a secret lol.

I've always heard that it was Thriller as well.

Its not just rumour...its certified.

Historically no album comes close.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 05:51 PM

seems it's just the U.S.  Interesting.

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Posted 14 June 2015 - 10:45 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 04:42 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 June 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 14 June 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

#1 selling album of all time is Eagles Greatest Hits and I doubt there are a lot of people here lining up to proclaim it quality.  I do like them but is clearly isn't the best album of all time so sales is only part of the equation.

Erm...Michael Jackson's Thriller, anybody?
Not sure what you mean, you like it or don't like it?

Its the biggest selling album of all time not The Eagles...
Thriller must have sold a lot of albums in the last 15 years because I know the Eagles Greatest Hits is the best selling album of the 20th century.

In the US maybe? Worldwide Thriller is the biggest selling. Its not a secret lol.

After doing a quick internet search both Thriller and Eagles Greatest Hits ('71-'75) have both been certified 29 million in the US. Worldwide Thriller is the biggest selling album ever though with reportedly over 65 million copies sold (HOLY SHIT!!!). The Eagles greatest hits is reported to be 42 million worldwide. Can I just say how odd I think it is that the Eagles compilation has sold that many copies. They are an OK band, but seriously? If Hotel California had been on it, maybe I could understand.

Everyone had a copy a Thriller it seems. I even had it on vinyl when I was a kid.





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