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Posted 10 May 2015 - 04:47 PM

I don't prefer CA to Signals.  I do prefer it to any of their first six albums aside from CoS.  And it comes awfully close to beating the seventh.  It's an amazing album with over an hour of consistently great (yet diverse) music and excellent, engaging lyrics.  Monstrously powerful rockers; catchy, hook-laden tracks; beautiful, poignant numbers...  CA has it all.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 04:48 PM

I said in another thread that CA is their LATEST release...I'm sure they are proud of the tunes, and love playing them...So it makes sense that they decided to include a few more than some of us hard core fans want to hear....it's a HISTORY of the band...granted, they skip over a few albums...but two of them were over played on the last tour, and I think the others may just not be in their favorites catalog....hard to say...

In my opinion, if they keep that second set mostly in tact, I think most people will forgive what they neglect in the first set....

Jacob's Ladder and Xanadu, to me, are the BIG killer tunes in that second set!  If they change anything else I won't be THAT disappointed, but I need to see those two tunes live and intact!

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 04:50 PM

I think its a very good album. Its not amazing quite honestly. I have trouble deciphering the differences in songs mainly due to the titles. I mean The Wreckers? The Anarchist? They could switch the song titles and it wouldnt matter. I also the think the concept is wanting. I mean what is the concept. The steampunk world? I have absolutely zero interest in that. Some people are turned off by the sound of it. I think the sound is fine. The mix doesnt bother me nor does the mastering. Wish Them Well is a throwaway. BU2B2 should be more of an interlude to the Garden. Instead its just kind of there not really doing anything.

So a solid 8/10 from me. Stlli very good but no PeW MP or Signals. Better rhan RTB. Equal to Counterparts.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 05:26 PM

The other thing is that I actually LOVE the Anarchist and Headlong Flight...so those two can stay as far as I'm concerned...I'm a little disappointed that more Snakes and Arrows wasn't represented (Armor and Sword for instance)  VT Secret Touch and Earthshine would have worked, and for Test for Echo, I think Driven would be a GREAT representative!

Moving backwards, I'm not overly disappointed that Presto HyF, and PW were neglected...Presto doesn't have anything (IMHO) that really stands out as a "classic" and the other two were pretty much nailed on the last tour.  Good call as far as I'm concerned!

GuP was a good album, and DEW is a good rep for that one...and Signals had a few on the last tour since that was an "anniversary" of sorts (although I really wished that they would have taken the opportunity to play Losing It since they had strings!)

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 05:38 PM

As a last tour covering 40 years of music I'd rather have at least one song from each album

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 05:46 PM

View PostSnaked, on 09 May 2015 - 09:37 PM, said:

I just called my buddy Taylor Swift and asked her to send a message to all the whiners bagging on the C.A. material.
Here's her response to them...


Haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.....
Shake it off! :)

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 06:16 PM

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CA is a modern masterpiece and the bands best effort since Moving Picture. Yes its better than Signals and that's the album I hold most dear to my heart since its when I as a keyboardist/ Music Teacher discovered RUSH. Yet I know that CA is as good if not better than the 8 songs represented on Signals. Regardless, only three songs from the album, their much heavier songs is a great way to start the concert. When Those first power chords in CA hit the airwaves from Alex, you know that RUSH is back and kicking serious @ss. As for the The Anarchist and Headlong Flight it would be a crime not to have them in the set. They are the best thing written since Red Barchetta and Limelight. So yes in conclusion, three songs from Ca to start the show is perfectly fine and justified. I'm actually surprised there weren't more!

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I think CA is a fine late career album, but i just cant compare it to anything during their prime years, from 75-85. Better than Signals?..

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 06:22 PM

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I think CA is a fine late career album...Better than Signals?
Yeah I really dig CA but I can't go there.
I can...easily better than that album. Signals is a good album. Important to many people. Great songs are there, and I listen to it. My ten year old enjoys it. He likes the song about the "fridges of the city".

It's a short album compared to the epic Clockwork Angels. Songwriting is certainly not as strong as CA, but contains powerful moments. An uneven production to say the least.

CA has zero skippable tracks IMO. A pleasure the whole way through. Signals, not so much because of the dark nature of the sound.

Actually I find CAs length is part of its problem.  By having all that time to ramble.. they rambled in medicore mid temp songs more than they should have.  It's all opinion, of course, but Singals is a stronger effort with more memorable riffs and moments, which is why crowd reaction will always be stronger for it than anything on CA.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 06:23 PM

View PostJohnRogers, on 10 May 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

As a last tour covering 40 years of music I'd rather have at least one song from each album

Im still waiting for Cut To The Chase.  Guess I'll be waiting forever.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 06:43 PM

I have no problem have 3 Clockwork songs in the set list, plus I haven't see Rush live since 1988 apart from the Live CD's and DVD's so I'm excited to finally hear Songs from CA to Presto Live in person and the rest of the songs is a big bonus for me! :D

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 06:46 PM

View Postlerxt1990, on 10 May 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

View PostTombstone Mountain, on 10 May 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

View PostJohnRogers, on 10 May 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 10 May 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

I think CA is a fine late career album...Better than Signals?
Yeah I really dig CA but I can't go there.
I can...easily better than that album. Signals is a good album. Important to many people. Great songs are there, and I listen to it. My ten year old enjoys it. He likes the song about the "fridges of the city".

It's a short album compared to the epic Clockwork Angels. Songwriting is certainly not as strong as CA, but contains powerful moments. An uneven production to say the least.

CA has zero skippable tracks IMO. A pleasure the whole way through. Signals, not so much because of the dark nature of the sound.

Actually I find CAs length is part of its problem.  By having all that time to ramble.. they rambled in medicore mid temp songs more than they should have.  It's all opinion, of course, but Singals is a stronger effort with more memorable riffs and moments, which is why crowd reaction will always be stronger for it than anything on CA.
Sure it's not because older fans can afford to go to a Rush show?

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 06:54 PM

View Postlerxt1990, on 10 May 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

View PostTombstone Mountain, on 10 May 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

View PostJohnRogers, on 10 May 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 10 May 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

I think CA is a fine late career album...Better than Signals?
Yeah I really dig CA but I can't go there.
I can...easily better than that album. Signals is a good album. Important to many people. Great songs are there, and I listen to it. My ten year old enjoys it. He likes the song about the "fridges of the city".

It's a short album compared to the epic Clockwork Angels. Songwriting is certainly not as strong as CA, but contains powerful moments. An uneven production to say the least.

CA has zero skippable tracks IMO. A pleasure the whole way through. Signals, not so much because of the dark nature of the sound.

Actually I find CAs length is part of its problem.  By having all that time to ramble.. they rambled in medicore mid temp songs more than they should have.  It's all opinion, of course, but Singals is a stronger effort with more memorable riffs and moments, which is why crowd reaction will always be stronger for it than anything on CA.


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Posted 10 May 2015 - 06:59 PM

Ok...missing Rush live when they refuse to play Limelight makes me glad I chose Nightwish.

Sorry...not sorry.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 07:04 PM

I think CA might be a better album than Signals...not entirely sure why fans are upset with CA being played a lot.

It was a massive success and struck a chord with many young fans, including me. I know I can be harsh towards it, but most of my harshness is directed at the DVD not the album.

But I find the album to be only good to very good, not a masterpiece (but me being me, I give it three weeks).

I hope all who see them are pleased. I love this band, and I am doing all I can to pretend and convince myself I don't care that I am missing out.

But I am truly bummed out.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 07:04 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 10 May 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:

Ok...missing Rush live when they refuse to play Limelight makes me glad I chose Nightwish.

Sorry...not sorry.

Yeah, Limelight is my all time favorite, I was a little surprised at that but the rest was so awesome I was consoled. :)

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 07:05 PM

Ca has an unfair advantage when compared to other records because of the amazing talent of the dude who did the strings imo

I guess you could say a superconductor...

The strings to evoke strong emotions yet make it easy to digest with its poppy goodness.

I rate vapor trails snskes and arrows and ca above everything since grace under pressure.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 07:06 PM

View PostTombstone Mountain, on 10 May 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

View Postlerxt1990, on 10 May 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

View PostTombstone Mountain, on 10 May 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

View PostJohnRogers, on 10 May 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 10 May 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

I think CA is a fine late career album...Better than Signals?
Yeah I really dig CA but I can't go there.
I can...easily better than that album. Signals is a good album. Important to many people. Great songs are there, and I listen to it. My ten year old enjoys it. He likes the song about the "fridges of the city".

It's a short album compared to the epic Clockwork Angels. Songwriting is certainly not as strong as CA, but contains powerful moments. An uneven production to say the least.

CA has zero skippable tracks IMO. A pleasure the whole way through. Signals, not so much because of the dark nature of the sound.

Actually I find CAs length is part of its problem.  By having all that time to ramble.. they rambled in medicore mid temp songs more than they should have.  It's all opinion, of course, but Singals is a stronger effort with more memorable riffs and moments, which is why crowd reaction will always be stronger for it than anything on CA.
Sure it's not because older fans can afford to go to a Rush show?

lol, economic argument!  demographics show more bald spots that twitter feeds! :)

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 07:06 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 10 May 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

I think CA might be a better album than Signals...not entirely sure why fans are upset with CA being played a lot.

It was a massive success and struck a chord with many young fans, including me. I know I can be harsh towards it, but most of my harshness is directed at the DVD not the album.

But I find the album to be only good to very good, not a masterpiece (but me being me, I give it three weeks).

I hope all who see them are pleased. I love this band, and I am doing all I can to pretend and convince myself I don't care that I am missing out.

But I am truly bummed out.

Can you try and see if anyone puts up a Periscope link tonight?  Last time people on the Periscope comments said they were watching from Peru and Norway so it might work in Britain depending on your internet provider I guess??

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 07:07 PM

View PostTombstone Mountain, on 10 May 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

View Postlerxt1990, on 10 May 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

View PostTombstone Mountain, on 10 May 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

View PostJohnRogers, on 10 May 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 10 May 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

I think CA is a fine late career album...Better than Signals?
Yeah I really dig CA but I can't go there.
I can...easily better than that album. Signals is a good album. Important to many people. Great songs are there, and I listen to it. My ten year old enjoys it. He likes the song about the "fridges of the city".

It's a short album compared to the epic Clockwork Angels. Songwriting is certainly not as strong as CA, but contains powerful moments. An uneven production to say the least.

CA has zero skippable tracks IMO. A pleasure the whole way through. Signals, not so much because of the dark nature of the sound.

Actually I find CAs length is part of its problem.  By having all that time to ramble.. they rambled in medicore mid temp songs more than they should have.  It's all opinion, of course, but Singals is a stronger effort with more memorable riffs and moments, which is why crowd reaction will always be stronger for it than anything on CA.

lol, awesome.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 07:11 PM

View Postlerxt1990, on 10 May 2015 - 07:07 PM, said:

View PostTombstone Mountain, on 10 May 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

View Postlerxt1990, on 10 May 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

View PostTombstone Mountain, on 10 May 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

View PostJohnRogers, on 10 May 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 10 May 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

I think CA is a fine late career album...Better than Signals?
Yeah I really dig CA but I can't go there.
I can...easily better than that album. Signals is a good album. Important to many people. Great songs are there, and I listen to it. My ten year old enjoys it. He likes the song about the "fridges of the city".

It's a short album compared to the epic Clockwork Angels. Songwriting is certainly not as strong as CA, but contains powerful moments. An uneven production to say the least.

CA has zero skippable tracks IMO. A pleasure the whole way through. Signals, not so much because of the dark nature of the sound.

Actually I find CAs length is part of its problem.  By having all that time to ramble.. they rambled in medicore mid temp songs more than they should have.  It's all opinion, of course, but Singals is a stronger effort with more memorable riffs and moments, which is why crowd reaction will always be stronger for it than anything on CA.

lol, awesome.
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