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#21 stone and a hard place

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 09:38 AM

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View Posttoymaker, on 27 April 2015 - 03:47 PM, said:

Seems to me it's chemistry.

Yeah for sure, but on the most important level...their musical abilities :)
Ged and Alex were meant to be bonded the way they are...and I hope they always stay that way
Neil seems to be standoffish...
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Neil was an Aspie actually

I thought that for a while--but my wife teaches autistic kids and after being around a bunch of kids with aspergers I have changed my opinion.

I think he is an introvert with a knob-headed streak--He has shared more about his life and philosophies(through his writings) than any other rock musician that I know of.

He just likes to be left alone unless he is with people he wants to be with.

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 10:29 AM

So that's an Aspie? Is that what that's referring to??

Rather indelicate, if you ask me (yeah, I know- no one asked me). But maybe it's an accepted term, and I'm just not aware of it.

Edited by Blue J, 28 April 2015 - 10:29 AM.


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Posted 28 April 2015 - 11:22 AM

View PostBlue J, on 28 April 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

So that's an Aspie? Is that what that's referring to??

Rather indelicate, if you ask me (yeah, I know- no one asked me). But maybe it's an accepted term, and I'm just not aware of it.

I've never heard it referred to that way but I knew that's what she meant. Yes. Asperger Syndrome. People keep mentioning it in relation to Neil.

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 11:23 AM

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Isn't it amazing that these three guys, out of all the humans in the world, were able to come together and do what they were born to do? Not just that, but with perfect compliment to each other's individual brand of musical genius??
Like they were always three parts of a whole that just needed to find each other?
Personally I am sort of blown away by that...

I always wonder how they came across Neil in the first place. He auditioned but who recommended him for the gig? Maybe I have heard this but I have forgotten.
The gods were watching...and listening...
I'd hate to think it was also 'fate' for Rutsey to be ill though. I listen to their first album and I love it, but when I hear anything after Neil joined I just think....yeah, thats it...that's perfect.

I don't think it was fate for Rutsey to be ill, but it he certainly was fated to not be in the band for the long run.

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 11:27 AM

View PostBlue J, on 28 April 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

So that's an Aspie? Is that what that's referring to??

Rather indelicate, if you ask me (yeah, I know- no one asked me). But maybe it's an accepted term, and I'm just not aware of it.

It is an accepted nickname for Asperger's Syndrome.  A friend with Asperger's calls himself that.  It is a diagnosis on the Autistic spectrum, but not as bad.  In general, Aspies are intelligent people that have at least moderate social anxieties.  Here's the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia....perger_syndrome

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 11:52 AM

I didn't mean to attract so much attention, in not being familiar with the fact that people with Asperger's Syndrome refer to themselves that way. I'm very much aware of what it is, and how it shows up in people (mainly in children, though)...and that the degrees of severity of it vary greatly.

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 12:52 PM

Thanks for the education folks. Learn something every day... :)

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 03:37 PM

View PostBlue J, on 28 April 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 28 April 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

View PostUnbridledlust, on 27 April 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

Neil seems to be standoffish...
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Neil was an Aspie actually

That's not a very popular thought around here. There have been some pretty heated debates in the past about it by a few members who shall remain nameless. :lol:  Neil seems to be plenty friendly and outgoing with the people he knows and feels comfortable with. It's just when the "fan thing" comes up that he has issues. He just wants to be an everyday guy.

What is an Aspie?


I'm finding out that I am less and less hip, every day... :huh:

:codger:

Wait I can shorten the type of personality I am???

Ok, I guess I am an Assho   :LMAO:

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 10:18 PM

View PostDigital Dad, on 27 April 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

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View PostDigital Dad, on 27 April 2015 - 03:01 PM, said:

Geddy
Best I Can
Tears
I Think Im Going Bald
Cinderella Man
Different Strings

Alex
Lessons

All collaborated on Chemistry

Best I Can is one of my favs for sure!
Thanks for the info

I think it was written before Neil joined tho.


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ETA:  Rutsey does a pretty dull effort on this.

Edited by goose, 28 April 2015 - 10:19 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2015 - 06:57 AM

Best I Can is a lot better with Neil's drum work on it.

In my opinion.

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 04:57 AM

View PostBlue J, on 29 April 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

Best I Can is a lot better with Neil's drum work on it.

In my opinion.

Ok, I gotta agree with you there...never knew Rutsey performed that one...Neil's drums add punch

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 05:28 AM

Some people prefer not to socialize often. Why in this crazy world does that now have to be labeled with a disease...caps lock...anger...hope he doesn't read this and cancel the tour...

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 06:52 PM

View PostGabrielgil513, on 30 April 2015 - 05:28 AM, said:

Some people prefer not to socialize often. Why in this crazy world does that now have to be labeled with a disease...caps lock...anger...hope he doesn't read this and cancel the tour...

Aspergers is not a disease, it's not even a disorder, it's just that some people's brains are literally wired differently. I'm sure there have been millions of people that went undiagnosed, just thinking they were weird, awkward, got bullied and teased, etc because they could not fit in socially, etc and struggled not knowing there were others like them and a valid reason (not a negative thing, just a concrete reason) some people might have always truly felt 'different' all their lives. People with Aspergers aren't obvious to others in whats going on with them, a lot of times its a purely internal awareness that they feel excluded in ways they cant seem to explain from the rest of the human race.

Knowing you are OK and there are others out there you could possibly relate to or at least have acore thing in common with is very relieving and validating.

The most common feeling when a person discovers they have Aspergers: 'Well that explains a lot!" (Sometimes everything!) because people are born with it and have it all their lives and a lot of times never find out.

Also: a lot of people with Aspergers tend to have narrow focuses of what they are into... With some people it changes on a regular basis, like every three months they have a new obsession level interest, with others its a looooong term interest or hobby. Aspergers people tend to be highly logical and exacting about details, and this includes musical performance, if one has an aptitude for it. If someone with Aspergers had a long term interest in music, they would not necessarily need the natural born talent because with that level of intense interest, just the time taken to practice would override the need, but I honestly think all three of these guys are terribly, naturally gifted in their chosen instruments, and the world is a better place because they were driven to become good at what they did and came together as a unit.

Seriously, no matter what the circumstances had to be in order to have them come together, I'm very glad they did.

I don't care if he has Aspergers or not, but if he did it wouldn't be a bad thing, it would just make sense.

Edited by Unbridledlust, 30 April 2015 - 07:09 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 06:57 PM

View PostUnbridledlust, on 30 April 2015 - 04:57 AM, said:

View PostBlue J, on 29 April 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

Best I Can is a lot better with Neil's drum work on it.

In my opinion.

Ok, I gotta agree with you there...never knew Rutsey performed that one...Neil's drums add punch

Yeah, completely...listen to the beginning of ot on the Secord version, and then the studio version on Fly By Night. Totally different. And Neil wins. ;)

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Posted 05 September 2015 - 06:09 PM

Yes, I want to know too, what an aspie is?

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Posted 05 September 2015 - 07:41 PM

View Postgypsy muse, on 05 September 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

Yes, I want to know too, what an aspie is?

It's short for someone who has Asperger's Syndrome.

http://www.ninds.nih...il_asperger.htm

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Posted 05 September 2015 - 07:59 PM

View Postx1yyz, on 05 September 2015 - 07:41 PM, said:

View Postgypsy muse, on 05 September 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

Yes, I want to know too, what an aspie is?

It's short for someone who has Asperger's Syndrome.

http://www.ninds.nih...il_asperger.htm

My wife calls me an Ass Burger sometimes. Is that the same thing?

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 01:00 AM

View PostBlue J, on 28 April 2015 - 11:52 AM, said:

I didn't mean to attract so much attention, in not being familiar with the fact that people with Asperger's Syndrome refer to themselves that way. I'm very much aware of what it is, and how it shows up in people (mainly in children, though)...and that the degrees of severity of it vary greatly.
I learned something. It's good to ask questions- that's what I was always taught.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 01:15 PM

I really don't think its surprising that there is such chemistry between Ged and Alex. These weren't two musicians that met and formed a band, they were kids that met and learned their instruments together. There is a huge difference there. You almost become a single entity as you are so accustomed to the other person that your playing is instinctive rather than being forced or learned. Add another 40 years to that and you have perfection.

As far as Neil goes, the band already had written some pretty decent tunes before he came along. Rutsy was no slouch on drums either. But Neil's drumming took the musicianship to another level. His lyrics in the 70s and 80s definitely hit the sweet spot of teenage males at the time. They were the perfect package. But if Neil hadn't come along I could still have seen them having the same success as a band like Triumph. Remember, Rutsy only had one album under his belt. It took three more tries with Neil before they struck gold. Who knows what would have happened if John had done three more records and continued to develop as a drummer and a songwriter?




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