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#21 GabesCavesOfIce

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 10:23 PM

View PostVan Squalen, on 15 April 2015 - 09:13 PM, said:

Good gawd, you fabulous Rush nerds. Indoor venues are NEVER better than outdoor venues! Acoustics ALWAYS are better outdoors, along with the added bonus of not having 20 thousand sweat-mucked morons' vast array of stenches rolling over you for 3 hours. I specifically am going outta my way to hit the Irvine show (an outdoor amp) instead of hitting the very last show on the tour at the Forum. As much as I love the Forum thanks to my intimate and long history with its ambiance, and as much as I'd like to hit the very last Rush date on what may be their last tour, I opted for the second to last date at Irvine BECAUSE it's outdoor instead of indoor.

Special effects are great and all, don't get me wrong. But gimme premium sound and fresh air every time over a sweaty stanky dungeon arena. :)


VS!! The overlords finally added side stage seats in NJ! (No seats were avail from "the venue" for months). Still none added at MSG. They are holding onto those like the holy grail!! $500 for any front of stage seats lower bowl within five sections of stage. Anyway...

Outdoor shows...It's much different than that in NY. Jones Beach is right on the ocean and the bay, and the wind is usually blowin. Unless you are within 25 rows, the sounds gonna be doing a Dylan (blowin in the wind).  Hey, there goes Lifeson's solo, into the bay.

I'm guessing in LA you don't have excessive humidity nor Mosquitos. Outdoor shows in NY are far from comfy. We all have natural calamities, just those in LA don't interrupt outdoor shows. Add to that there is zero ambience with no light show, to the point seeing Ged Alex and Neil in broad daylight takes all the magic away. Horrifying actually. I mean they are great to watch, but they might as well be playing at the local repair shop.

CMS, you mention a lot of awesome outdoor shows like Kiss, Van Halen,etc. those sure sound like great shows, but those bands usually have opening acts. If so, they play shorter than Rush and can start after sunset. Makes all the difference in half the world.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 02:04 AM

What do you consider side stage?  Sections 114 & 126 have been offered for a weeks now.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 05:36 AM

View Postdtpoet, on 16 April 2015 - 02:04 AM, said:

What do you consider side stage?  Sections 114 & 126 have been offered for a weeks now.


Precisely, it took em two months to open up those sections after the sellout. Only a small portion of the side sections went on sale at MSG . Once they added side seats at pru, no longer sellout, and broker tix prices started dropping a bit.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 06:42 AM

Gab, I have been following the secondary market for Pru every day since the presale.  The tickets today are the highest they have been since the sale started.  In February - March, you could still find seats in the $70-$80 per ticket range.  Now even the worst seat available is over $100.  Those section 10 seats on TM have been there for a couple of weeks.  

Here's the thing that puzzles me - section 110.  Not once since the presale has a ticket for section 110 appeared on the secondary market.  Again, I check this multiple times - every day.  I have to believe that some point, TM will release these seats because it's unimaginable that every person who has a ticket in that section (assuming they are out in the market) is holding on to that seat.  It's the only section that hasn't had a single ticket available.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 09:27 AM

dt, I agree, I think the $70-$80 tickets are the first to sell in the secondary market. So when they are sold, the cheapest avail is more.

I should have mentioned I was referring to the outrageous prices close to the stage. There are a few prime seats within 15 rows now in the $700 range, a slight price drop. Still a very scary amount of cash to drop on a single show.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 10:09 AM

View PostGabrielgil513, on 15 April 2015 - 10:23 PM, said:

View PostVan Squalen, on 15 April 2015 - 09:13 PM, said:

Good gawd, you fabulous Rush nerds. Indoor venues are NEVER better than outdoor venues! Acoustics ALWAYS are better outdoors, along with the added bonus of not having 20 thousand sweat-mucked morons' vast array of stenches rolling over you for 3 hours. I specifically am going outta my way to hit the Irvine show (an outdoor amp) instead of hitting the very last show on the tour at the Forum. As much as I love the Forum thanks to my intimate and long history with its ambiance, and as much as I'd like to hit the very last Rush date on what may be their last tour, I opted for the second to last date at Irvine BECAUSE it's outdoor instead of indoor.

Special effects are great and all, don't get me wrong. But gimme premium sound and fresh air every time over a sweaty stanky dungeon arena. :)




CMS, you mention a lot of awesome outdoor shows like Kiss, Van Halen,etc. those sure sound like great shows, but those bands usually have opening acts. If so, they play shorter than Rush and can start after sunset. Makes all the difference in half the world.

Austin concert start time is 8:00.  Sunset is 8:18, twilight ends about 8:45.  So, it should be nice and dark by 9:00.  We have floor seats so I'm more interested in seeing the guys than the laser show.  But, I get what you are saying.  

The outdoor concerts during the summer just have a cool vibe to them, more like a party, that's what appeals to me.  Pros and Cons for both venues I suppose.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 11:06 AM

I usually sit close as well and don't see the full effect of the lights, but Rush came on at7:38PM last time at Jones Beach. A full hour of day light. Might as well been the fresh beat band ;)

Another huge issue that you folks don't get as much as we do is the RAIN. EVERY Jones Beach show I have been either it has rained, chance of rain, or rained earlier in day and place is soaked.

One Rush show within the last five years, we had a SoCal style stretch of weather. Sun and 80 for ten days in a row. That is rare around here. So I'm running out of the house late afternoon to the show. On a hunch I check weather last second, and notice next to the sun icon, 30% chance rain appears. I recall thinkin wtf, hasn't rained n two weeks, wasn't supposed to rain all week. Lo and behold, even that show, it rained. As some can attest, we are very lucky to get rain, but seriously, every show. Even Ged mentions it mid show.

Indoor venue removes this variable. No comparison IMHO.



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Edited by Gabrielgil513, 16 April 2015 - 11:09 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2015 - 11:36 AM

View PostTheBluePhoenix, on 15 April 2015 - 02:37 PM, said:

They have played at the same outdoor amphitheater in Atlanta for several tours and I hate it!  The worst part is that it's still light when they start so you don't have the excitement of the house-lights turning off and everyone going nuts.  Instead, the opening video plays and at one point they just walk on stage and there they are.  It makes it a very anticlimactic opening.  I was hoping that they would play at an indoor arena this time but no!

Thanks. I was wondering if I made a mistake going to Greensboro instead of Atlanta.  I already knew I hate Atlanta traffic. Now I have another good reason to be going to NC.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 11:46 AM

Indeed, I might be biased thanks to living in SoCal all my life. The band starts playing after dark almost universally, sometimes at dusk, I suppose. We have, uh, fair weather out here. So it's almost always nice. One time I saw the Stones on the '88 Steel Wheels tour at the Coliseum in LA, and it dumped rain on us the whole show. Other than that, it's, well...almost always nice outside here for summer shed gigs. :) At best, we might have to put on a hoodie after dark.

And again...I have yet to hear acoustics better than sheds and amps outside. But maybe that's a geographic filter.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 12:40 PM

View PostGabrielgil513, on 16 April 2015 - 11:06 AM, said:

I usually sit close as well and don't see the full effect of the lights, but Rush came on at7:38PM last time at Jones Beach. A full hour of day light. Might as well been the fresh beat band ;)

Another huge issue that you folks don't get as much as we do is the RAIN. EVERY Jones Beach show I have been either it has rained, chance of rain, or rained earlier in day and place is soaked.

One Rush show within the last five years, we had a SoCal style stretch of weather. Sun and 80 for ten days in a row. That is rare around here. So I'm running out of the house late afternoon to the show. On a hunch I check weather last second, and notice next to the sun icon, 30% chance rain appears. I recall thinkin wtf, hasn't rained n two weeks, wasn't supposed to rain all week. Lo and behold, even that show, it rained. As some can attest, we are very lucky to get rain, but seriously, every show. Even Ged mentions it mid show.

Indoor venue removes this variable. No comparison IMHO.



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No rain, no rain, no rain.... please.. please... please no rain.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 02:07 PM

I am not exaggerating CMS, every freakin time, either rain, or how did it miss us?

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 02:12 PM

View PostGabrielgil513, on 15 April 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

We have a beloved ampitheater here in NY right on the ocean,Jones Beach.

I HATE IT! Nothing worse than seeing one the finest light shows in rock COMPLETELY ruined by the summer daylight. All ambiance is gone.

Price we pay for living near the ocean. I know, tiny violins. When
LL Cool Ged visits, he wants to see the great Atlantic also. Its an extra hour one way to see them at MSG and The Pru, but worth every second.



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I love seeing the shows at outdoor amphitheaters, but Jones Beach is horrible.  The wind destroys the sound, and the no-alcohol rule results in the most listless crowds I've seen.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 02:22 PM

very tough to pinpoint why it is mostly indoor arenas for this tour. I know locally here in South Florida where I live, Rush has tended to alternate tours between Cruzan Amphitheater (shed) and the BBT Center (hockey arena)...although this might be to hit slightly different client bases (Cruzan is in West Palm and BBT is in Sunrise). Obviously the tour management has large input into the venue of a show, as do scheduling and routing concerns. One other possibility worth mentioning is given their advanced age and recent chatter about how physically grueling tours are, it might be possible that they or their management opted for mostly indoor venues in order to avoid playing outside too many times this summer where it could be pretty hot/humid. Yes, I know most places are nowhere near as hot and humid as where I live, but it can be pretty brutal in several parts of the country during the summer months....even places like Chicago, New York etc. I know I would rather play 35 nights indoors during the summer from a physical exertion standpoint than outside in the potential heat and humidity. Who knows--it's all conjecture...most likely it is a combination of the various factors.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 03:10 PM

View PostLedRush, on 16 April 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

View PostGabrielgil513, on 15 April 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

We have a beloved ampitheater here in NY right on the ocean,Jones Beach.

I HATE IT! Nothing worse than seeing one the finest light shows in rock COMPLETELY ruined by the summer daylight. All ambiance is gone.

Price we pay for living near the ocean. I know, tiny violins. When
LL Cool Ged visits, he wants to see the great Atlantic also. Its an extra hour one way to see them at MSG and The Pru, but worth every second.



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I love seeing the shows at outdoor amphitheaters, but Jones Beach is horrible.  The wind destroys the sound, and the no-alcohol rule results in the most listless crowds I've seen.



There is no question that Jones Beach is among the worst venues in the country.  I've never understood why so many artists choose to perform there.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 03:13 PM

They are making more money playing indoors venues ;)

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 04:46 PM

View PostJustin Case, on 16 April 2015 - 03:10 PM, said:

View PostLedRush, on 16 April 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

View PostGabrielgil513, on 15 April 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

We have a beloved ampitheater here in NY right on the ocean,Jones Beach.

I HATE IT! Nothing worse than seeing one the finest light shows in rock COMPLETELY ruined by the summer daylight. All ambiance is gone.

Price we pay for living near the ocean. I know, tiny violins. When
LL Cool Ged visits, he wants to see the great Atlantic also. Its an extra hour one way to see them at MSG and The Pru, but worth every second.



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I love seeing the shows at outdoor amphitheaters, but Jones Beach is horrible.  The wind destroys the sound, and the no-alcohol rule results in the most listless crowds I've seen.



There is no question that Jones Beach is among the worst venues in the country.  I've never understood why so many artists choose to perform there.

Thanks Led, how could I have forgotten it was a dry venue for so long? They now have a nonVIP drinking area, but it was closed for the Zoundgarden NIN show I was at last year. Horrible venue.

JC, rumor has it Jones pays out the most moolah...the almighty $$.

I recall my first Rush show, MP at Nassau Coli, and when the lights went out, and the opening synths and  pyros for Overture and all the wild lights and lasers, nothing like that.  that magic cant be reproduced at outdoor place. The light show at Radio City in R30 was un effing believable. Sound acoustics at MSG can't be duplicated outside IMHO.

Central Park has a nice one outdoor venue, but no aura.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 05:15 PM

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 08:29 PM

I forgot that my two SLC Rush shows opened in broad daylight. This has actually given a positive for the indoor venue they chose this time.

Just bought my tickets, ticketmaster didn't even use any lube this time.

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 01:57 PM

Ok.  I know it's a matter of personal preference, but I found this article interesting.  

http://www.usatoday....enues/16974221/

USA Today's "top 10 concert venues" includes 7 outdoor venues.  

Just one perspective I know.

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 02:50 PM

Cool article CMS, thx for sharing. Alot of those outdoor places have unique views, as does Jones which thankfully didn't make the list. People LOVE it here and the acoustics are terrible. But if Rush is there, I'm going!

Now I get why VS raves about Hollywood bowl, its built in side of mountain that keeps the sound in place. At Jones, there goes half the sound on half the world with the wind.

This thread has reminded me of how incredible Radio City R30 light show was. Its a 6,000 seat theatre, small for Rush here. One of the shows we were in first balcony first row, and we were at a perfect 45 degree angle above the stage inn center, but very close compared to a hockey arena. We were literally immersed in the lights and lasers for most of the show. What a trip.



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Edited by Gabrielgil513, 17 April 2015 - 02:51 PM.





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