Mystic Slipperman Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 01. La Villa Strangiato is ridiculously praised and respected not just on this board, but in hardcore muso ranks. Yes, I get it, it is musically brilliant. It is amazingly technical playing and has all sorts of crazy time signatures. YAWN! It is a very well played instrumental with some interesting bits that goes on for too long. It isn't the be-all-end-all of music and it certainly isn't RUSH at their best. And it's largely plagiarized. Stilla great listen, though. I would love to know what you think Stangiato has plagiarised because I don't know of anything. Thing is that every great band has been influenced that something that has gone before. There is a fine line between "influence" and straight forward rip off. Oasis ripped off everything, Noel was clever enough to just take little snippets from songs to avoid court cases. We are not reinventing the wheel here dude. This song was great and took Beatles influence. It was produced in the same way vocal wise in the mix. Yes the Chorus is very like "Hello Goodbye" So what!!!!!! George Harrison had a court case about "My Sweet Lord" was ripped off from "He's so fine" by The Chiffons. It is two f***ing chords for Christ sake!!!!!!!!!!!!! A minor 7 to D major. You cant bloody copy write that!!! I am waiting to hear what La Villa has ripped off Thank youhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaC0vNLdLvY Go to 1:20 for the note-for-note lifting. Rush didn't give credit to Scott for their use of "Powerhouse" either. By the time Raymond Scott's publisher notified the band's management of the infringement, the statute of limitations had expired on the challenge. But Rush's management, out of deference to Mr. and Mrs. Scott (Raymond was still alive at that point), and being the class act that they are, offered a one-time "penance" payment, feeling it was the ethical thing to do. All involved were happy with the resolution, and Rush has no further financial obligations. Under the settlement, they were not required to accord Raymond Scott partial songwriting credit on the piece. http://www.songfacts...ail.php?id=2324 Ok I get you, guilty as charged But it is only one riff and section of a song. Neil is a huge Jazz fan so I guess he lifted this Fair enough, I stand corrected. But surely it is a tribute to Neil's influences??? Ha ha Thanks Steve :P Weird thing: jazz guys never really talk about R Scott because his music was pretty much totally composed: no improvisation, therefore not jazz!"Powerhouse" was popular in old cartoons, which is where Geddy or Alex probably ran across it. Fun fact #2: Raymond Scott was also the father of ambient music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l17kn0WpD2s What you say about old cartoons makes a lot of sensehttp://www.raymondsc...et/film/videos/ This page has a montage of cartoons featuring Scott's music. When I played that clip of "Powerhouse", I feel like I have been hearing it my whole life with cartoons! Very enlightening. Until today, I had no idea Raymond Scott existed. RIGHT! I always thought this was something Carl Stalling wrote for WB cartoons. Had no idea it was Scott. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithrandir Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 01. La Villa Strangiato is ridiculously praised and respected not just on this board, but in hardcore muso ranks. Yes, I get it, it is musically brilliant. It is amazingly technical playing and has all sorts of crazy time signatures. YAWN! It is a very well played instrumental with some interesting bits that goes on for too long. It isn't the be-all-end-all of music and it certainly isn't RUSH at their best. And it's largely plagiarized. Stilla great listen, though. LARGELY?? How about one little itty bit plagiarized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket ignites Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Grand DesignsOne Little VictoryBetween The WheelsGhost Of A ChanceThe Camera EyeThe Big MoneyMiddletown DreamsTest For EchoCaravanA Farewell To Kings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thought that this could be a thread to spark fires, as well as discussion!All you want to do is see grown men fight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thought that this could be a thread to spark fires, as well as discussion!All you want to do is see grown men fight! Fraroc vs. Zumbi? ...you can't deny that could be interesting haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Wait did I start this thread? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thought that this could be a thread to spark fires, as well as discussion!All you want to do is see grown men fight! Fraroc vs. Zumbi? ...you can't deny that could be interesting haha!Naa I think they'd push each other a bit and say: "Go on then start", "No you start!", "You start!", "No you start!", "Are you gonna start?", "You start!"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thought that this could be a thread to spark fires, as well as discussion!All you want to do is see grown men fight! Fraroc vs. Zumbi? ...you can't deny that could be interesting haha!Naa I think they'd push each other a bit and say: "Go on then start", "No you start!", "You start!", "No you start!", "Are you gonna start?", "You start!"... Oh my days ok I take it back lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucey Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I wanna see..............................................Verena......aaaaaand.................................................................................Babycat fight. Tried to think of two of the nicest people here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 I wanna see..............................................Verena......aaaaaand.................................................................................Babycat fight. Tried to think of two of the nicest people here. Awwwwwww! There'd be kissing and hugging and tears and I'd bake them cupcakes and then we'd all fall asleep listening to Mantovani 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucey Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Tony R and Savagegrace26 (think that was his name) would be a proper fight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Tony R and Savagegrace26 (think that was his name) would be a proper fight.Tony R would win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucey Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 He would. He probably wouldn't even need his fists, he'd just use a brutal word combination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segue Myles Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 He would. He probably wouldn't even need his fists, he'd just use a brutal word combination No he'd punch his face in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thought that this could be a thread to spark fires, as well as discussion!All you want to do is see grown men fight! Fraroc vs. Zumbi? ...you can't deny that could be interesting haha!Naa I think they'd push each other a bit and say: "Go on then start", "No you start!", "You start!", "No you start!", "Are you gonna start?", "You start!"... Oh my days ok I take it back lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disk98 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Thought that this could be a thread to spark fires, as well as discussion!All you want to do is see grown men fight! Fraroc vs. Zumbi? ...you can't deny that could be interesting haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honest Man Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Whole Clockwork Angels album. Seriously??!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Whole Clockwork Angels album. Seriously??!!!Too many decent to great songs to be dismissing that album. I'm sure he owns a vinyl copy anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New World Kid Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Over rated doesn't have to mean bad, it could simply mean "not worth all the praise it gets comparatively." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honest Man Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Ok looney toons, here is the REAL list: The NecromancerThe fountain of lambnethXanadu The camera eyeThe weaponKid glovesStick it outOne little victory Working them angelsSeven cities of gold I am not saying any of these songs are bad, just generally not worthy of the praise they receive. IMO ✌️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRogers Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Over rated doesn't have to mean bad, it could simply mean "not worth all the praise it gets comparatively."True like Huckleberry Finn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMCXII Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 01. La Villa Strangiato is ridiculously praised and respected not just on this board, but in hardcore muso ranks. Yes, I get it, it is musically brilliant. It is amazingly technical playing and has all sorts of crazy time signatures. YAWN! It is a very well played instrumental with some interesting bits that goes on for too long. It isn't the be-all-end-all of music and it certainly isn't RUSH at their best. And it's largely plagiarized. Stilla great listen, though. I would love to know what you think Stangiato has plagiarised because I don't know of anything. Thing is that every great band has been influenced that something that has gone before. There is a fine line between "influence" and straight forward rip off. Oasis ripped off everything, Noel was clever enough to just take little snippets from songs to avoid court cases. We are not reinventing the wheel here dude. This song was great and took Beatles influence. It was produced in the same way vocal wise in the mix. Yes the Chorus is very like "Hello Goodbye" So what!!!!!! George Harrison had a court case about "My Sweet Lord" was ripped off from "He's so fine" by The Chiffons. It is two f***ing chords for Christ sake!!!!!!!!!!!!! A minor 7 to D major. You cant bloody copy write that!!! I am waiting to hear what La Villa has ripped off Thank youhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaC0vNLdLvY Go to 1:20 for the note-for-note lifting. Rush didn't give credit to Scott for their use of "Powerhouse" either. By the time Raymond Scott's publisher notified the band's management of the infringement, the statute of limitations had expired on the challenge. But Rush's management, out of deference to Mr. and Mrs. Scott (Raymond was still alive at that point), and being the class act that they are, offered a one-time "penance" payment, feeling it was the ethical thing to do. All involved were happy with the resolution, and Rush has no further financial obligations. Under the settlement, they were not required to accord Raymond Scott partial songwriting credit on the piece. http://www.songfacts...ail.php?id=2324 Ok I get you, guilty as charged But it is only one riff and section of a song. Neil is a huge Jazz fan so I guess he lifted this Fair enough, I stand corrected. But surely it is a tribute to Neil's influences??? Ha ha Thanks Steve :P Weird thing: jazz guys never really talk about R Scott because his music was pretty much totally composed: no improvisation, therefore not jazz!"Powerhouse" was popular in old cartoons, which is where Geddy or Alex probably ran across it. The story is that Alex grew up hearing it, always had it rattling around in his head, and lifted it subconsciously. I remember a quote of one of them saying something like," we didn't know, we just thought it was cartoon music" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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