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#41 Tony R

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:43 PM

 onthebeam, on 01 April 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

Tony R, you're the real deal, my man.

I'd be Evander H if that was true.


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Posted 01 April 2015 - 03:05 PM

At least he never bit off anyone's ear.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 03:11 PM

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.
Saying something like that comes off as extremely ignorant

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 03:32 PM

 Geddy, on 01 April 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.
Saying something like that comes off as extremely ignorant

Well I've read all her crap, read bios and histories, and criticisms. I'd say I was the opposite of ignorant.



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 03:47 PM

I read the Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged and Anthem back in my late teens due to Neil's  association with her books. While I found the philosophy fascinating at the time, it wasn't necessarily something that I took literally. I can see why the "every man for himself" viewpoint would be appealing to him and to anyone that is searching for their place in life. Especially to someone who is an introvert and finds it harder to fit in for whatever reason.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 03:53 PM

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 01:06 PM, said:

 LedRush, on 01 April 2015 - 12:07 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.

And anyone with this opinion is a douche in mine.

I respect your right to read this rubbish but once you give any credence to the utter tripe contained within her infantile tomes then man, really, I have to say that reflects negatively on your credibility.

And once you've dismissed an idea because of a person who forwarded it, you've lost all credibility.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 03:55 PM

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

 Geddy, on 01 April 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.
Saying something like that comes off as extremely ignorant

Well I've read all her crap, read bios and histories, and criticisms. I'd say I was the opposite of ignorant.

Well, then, congratulations on being able to convey ignorance so effectively.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 04:04 PM

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."  -- John Rogers

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 04:05 PM

 LedRush, on 01 April 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

 Geddy, on 01 April 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.
Saying something like that comes off as extremely ignorant

Well I've read all her crap, read bios and histories, and criticisms. I'd say I was the opposite of ignorant.

Well, then, congratulations on being able to convey ignorance so effectively.

Feeding the troll just ends up making the thread about them, which feeds their narcissistic thrill. Best to just ignore it.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 04:11 PM

 EagleMoon, on 01 April 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

 LedRush, on 01 April 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

 Geddy, on 01 April 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.
Saying something like that comes off as extremely ignorant

Well I've read all her crap, read bios and histories, and criticisms. I'd say I was the opposite of ignorant.

Well, then, congratulations on being able to convey ignorance so effectively.

Feeding the troll just ends up making the thread about them, which feeds their narcissistic thrill. Best to just ignore it.

Troll off you cheeky mare!





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Posted 01 April 2015 - 04:24 PM

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 04:11 PM, said:

 EagleMoon, on 01 April 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

 LedRush, on 01 April 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

 Geddy, on 01 April 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.
Saying something like that comes off as extremely ignorant

Well I've read all her crap, read bios and histories, and criticisms. I'd say I was the opposite of ignorant.

Well, then, congratulations on being able to convey ignorance so effectively.

Feeding the troll just ends up making the thread about them, which feeds their narcissistic thrill. Best to just ignore it.

Troll off you cheeky mare!

I love you too, Tony.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 04:50 PM

 antiquark, on 01 April 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."  -- John Rogers

 antiquark, on 01 April 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."  -- John Rogers
Clever as it may be I never wrote or said any of this.

;)

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 04:55 PM

 JohnRogers, on 01 April 2015 - 04:50 PM, said:

 antiquark, on 01 April 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."  -- John Rogers

 antiquark, on 01 April 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."  -- John Rogers
Clever as it may be I never wrote or said any of this.

;)

I've read similar quotes elsewhere before.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 05:37 PM

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 01:04 PM, said:

 Lucas, on 01 April 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

 Tony R, on 01 April 2015 - 06:16 AM, said:

This is not the place to discuss Ayn Rand.

We haven't got a children's forum...



If you understood the question, it was not simply about Ayn Rand's work ..

Another response completely void of content from you

SOCN is for discussing politics, philosophy and other divisive and emotive subjects.

Get it????

The thread seems to have found a place right here

As for you, you are obviously in a lot of pain, and have serious issues with acceptance, criticism and self worth

You actually have my sympathy

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 05:44 PM

 antiquark, on 01 April 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."  -- John Rogers

I got into RUSH when I was 10 years old ... what is the difference ?

This has obviously stirred a lot of emotion in those who feel threatened by any discussion - D I S C U S S I O N - outside of their comfort zone .....

If you think of the myriad of things people can do with their time - anything ( there is a big world out there, maybe some of you don't realize ) .... And someone who chooses to come to the computer, seek out a particular message board, and involve themselves in a discussion in which they do nothing but ridicule and criticize ..

I wouldn't even expect that rom a 14 year old

Very sad

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 05:45 PM

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 x1yyz, on 01 April 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

Years ago I read Anthem because of the Rush connection.  I liked the story, although I understand it isn't like some of her more notorious books.  I'm fine with not reading those because I don't like to be preached to about politics or anything, for that matter.  

And, for what it's worth, Neil has since apologized for being so enamoured with Rand's writing, blaming it on being young and impressionable.

I didn't find them preachy, at least not The Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged (maybe this one a little).  I Just read them as stories about people trying to make it in the world around them and overcoming obstacles.

I honestly don't know if they are preachy since I've never read anything of hers other than Anthem.  I was just assuming that based what I've heard others say about her writing.  I'm fairly neutral on Rand in general, not having enough experience with her works to discuss them in an intelligent fashion.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 05:48 PM

 Lucas, on 01 April 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

 antiquark, on 01 April 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."  -- John Rogers

I got into RUSH when I was 10 years old ... what is the difference ?

This has obviously stirred a lot of emotion in those who feel threatened by any discussion - D I S C U S S I O N - outside of their comfort zone .....

If you think of the myriad of things people can do with their time - anything ( there is a big world out there, maybe some of you don't realize ) .... And someone who chooses to come to the computer, seek out a particular message board, and involve themselves in a discussion in which they do nothing but ridicule and criticize ..

I wouldn't even expect that rom a 14 year old

Very sad
Seriously I never said any of this.   :)

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 05:48 PM

 x1yyz, on 01 April 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

I'm fairly neutral on Rand in general, not having enough experience with her works to discuss them in an intelligent fashion.
When has that ever stopped ANYONE?

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 05:50 PM

 JohnRogers, on 01 April 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

 Lucas, on 01 April 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

 antiquark, on 01 April 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."  -- John Rogers

I got into RUSH when I was 10 years old ... what is the difference ?

This has obviously stirred a lot of emotion in those who feel threatened by any discussion - D I S C U S S I O N - outside of their comfort zone .....

If you think of the myriad of things people can do with their time - anything ( there is a big world out there, maybe some of you don't realize ) .... And someone who chooses to come to the computer, seek out a particular message board, and involve themselves in a discussion in which they do nothing but ridicule and criticize ..

I wouldn't even expect that rom a 14 year old

Very sad
Seriously I never said any of this.   :)
He's not kidding.   I think we've all seen enough of his writing to know that he's nowhere near that clever.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 05:51 PM

Part of my point in creating this thread was to hear if people applied any of these things into their own lives - for example, volunteer work, teaching an instrument, starting and owning you own business, etc

The truly inspirational bands can lead a person down some very positive roads ...

After all the "polls" were moved, I thought this would be an interesting way to learn about the posters here, as I am still somewhat new to the forum ( .. I enjoyed the polls btw )






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