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#1 Lucas

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:15 AM

Curious to hear everyone's thoughts in regards to RUSH, Ayn Rand, and the philosophies and beliefs based on their writings ...

I know that Neil has since distanced himself a bit from Rand in particular - which is understandable as most who go through life will be in a perpetual state of growth and reevaluation ...

But the foundation of being self sufficient, and making one's own existence the springboard for better contribution to the big picture, is something that I feel will be with me forever ..

Growing up I knew nothing of Rand's work, and it was 2112 that led me to her ( fantastic ) novella ANTHEM ... I love ANTHEM, and I'd like to hear if RUSH have opened the door to any books, philosophies or other non-musical aspects in life ...



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 02:20 AM

Rush introduced me to Ayn Rand, and I am now fairly familiar with her work and consider myself to be an Objectivist.  Her values will stick with me until I die for sure.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 04:18 AM

We just got finished reading Anthem in school when I realized she was I believe listed on inside cover of 2112. It struck me when I realized it but I am afraid I'm not a big reader or deep thinker. I can't tell you today what her philosophies are .

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 04:49 AM

I've read Anthem, The Fountainhead, and Atlas Shrugged. Couldn't recall any details of them at this point even if you had a gun to my head.

I feel kind of bad saying that, because I do consider myself well-read, in general. They just didn't stick with me, though.

But I'm not a Rush fan because of Objectivist philosophy. I love the music. And Neil is a great lyricist, but he didn't need Ayn Rand to become the lyricist that he is.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 06:16 AM

This is not the place to discuss Ayn Rand.

We haven't got a children's forum...



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 06:16 AM

Has there ever been a Rush-Rand thread that DIDN'T wind up in SOCN?

Doubting this is the first.



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 06:31 AM

Lucas, I discovered Ayn Rand the same way you did. Started with Anthem, then read the other 3 novels she wrote.The Fountainhead is one of the most important books I've ever read. Changed my life as much as Rush did. My first born daughter's middle name is Ayn.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 06:44 AM

View PostTony R, on 01 April 2015 - 06:16 AM, said:

This is not the place to discuss Ayn Rand.

We haven't got a children's forum...

You'll have to forgive Tony, he's British.

We need to keep this place free from substance and focus on the things that matter,   Rush license plates, new 5.1 releases of obscure material, and if we're lucky, almost audible bootlegs from the Presto tour.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 06:59 AM

View Postlaughedatbytime, on 01 April 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

View PostTony R, on 01 April 2015 - 06:16 AM, said:

This is not the place to discuss Ayn Rand.

We haven't got a children's forum...

You'll have to forgive Tony, he's British.

We need to keep this place free from substance and focus on the things that matter,   Rush license plates, new 5.1 releases of obscure material, and if we're lucky, almost audible bootlegs from the Presto tour.
You forgot thickness of vinyl. 200mg or 1800mg or whatever they are. Its certainly more important than vinyl length...

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 07:37 AM

I love Rand's ideas on individuality and self worth, but as a person she was a major c***. But her books were a fun read. Especially Anthem, given my username.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 08:43 AM

View PostTony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.

Exactly, because sticking to your convictions, always giving 100%, not giving in to those who would drag you down to their level, trying to get others around to work harder instead freeload off of the system are horrible, horrible characteristics for any of us.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 08:48 AM

View PostDigital Man, on 01 April 2015 - 08:43 AM, said:

View PostTony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.

Exactly, because sticking to your convictions, always giving 100%, not giving in to those who would drag you down to their level, trying to get others around to work harder instead freeload off of the system are horrible, horrible characteristics for any of us.

Do you know anything about Rand the person at all?
She wasn't nice.


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Posted 01 April 2015 - 08:57 AM

View PostTony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:48 AM, said:

View PostDigital Man, on 01 April 2015 - 08:43 AM, said:

View PostTony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.

Exactly, because sticking to your convictions, always giving 100%, not giving in to those who would drag you down to their level, trying to get others around to work harder instead freeload off of the system are horrible, horrible characteristics for any of us.

Do you know anything about Rand the person at all?
She wasn't nice.

Yes, I am aware she wasn't nice, she  was quite a bitch from what I have read.

How does that make her ideas of living with integrity and honesty, striving to do your best all the time, not being beholden to anyone nor expecting anyone to be beholden to you, bad ideas?

Edited by Digital Man, 01 April 2015 - 09:05 AM.


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Posted 01 April 2015 - 09:35 AM

Agree

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 09:50 AM

View PostLucas, on 01 April 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

I know that Neil has since distanced himself a bit from Rand in particular - which is understandable as most who go through life will be in a perpetual state of growth and reevaluation ...

But the foundation of being self sufficient, and making one's own existence the springboard for better contribution to the big picture, is something that I feel will be with me forever...
If we stick with the OP's two statements above we can avoid some of the petty bickering...nawatimsayin. ;)

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 09:52 AM

View PostDigital Man, on 01 April 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

View PostTony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:48 AM, said:

View PostDigital Man, on 01 April 2015 - 08:43 AM, said:

View PostTony R, on 01 April 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Rand was a sociopath, Peart is a sociopath. Better beware kiddies.

Anyone above the age of 16 who hasn't debunked Rand's "philosophy" already is a douche in my book.

Exactly, because sticking to your convictions, always giving 100%, not giving in to those who would drag you down to their level, trying to get others around to work harder instead freeload off of the system are horrible, horrible characteristics for any of us.

Do you know anything about Rand the person at all?
She wasn't nice.

Yes, I am aware she wasn't nice, she  was quite a bitch from what I have read.

How does that make her ideas of living with integrity and honesty, striving to do your best all the time, not being beholden to anyone nor expecting anyone to be beholden to you, bad ideas?
Just because John Lennon was a scumbag, it doesn't  mean I'd treat his music the same way.

Edited by Union 5-3992, 01 April 2015 - 09:53 AM.


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Posted 01 April 2015 - 09:58 AM

I was a full-blown, card-carrying Objectivist in my mid 20s through my early 30s. I was completely convinced of, and enamored with, Rand's ideas, but I lost my idealism along the way and began to see the world through more a more pragmatic lens.

But yeah, it was Peart's acknowledgement in 2112 that got me curious about her.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 10:00 AM

View PostNarpsberg, on 01 April 2015 - 06:59 AM, said:

View Postlaughedatbytime, on 01 April 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

View PostTony R, on 01 April 2015 - 06:16 AM, said:

This is not the place to discuss Ayn Rand.

We haven't got a children's forum...

You'll have to forgive Tony, he's British.

We need to keep this place free from substance and focus on the things that matter,   Rush license plates, new 5.1 releases of obscure material, and if we're lucky, almost audible bootlegs from the Presto tour.
You forgot thickness of vinyl. 200mg or 1800mg or whatever they are.

And those f***ing polls!

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 10:03 AM

View PostJARG, on 01 April 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

View PostNarpsberg, on 01 April 2015 - 06:59 AM, said:

View Postlaughedatbytime, on 01 April 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

View PostTony R, on 01 April 2015 - 06:16 AM, said:

This is not the place to discuss Ayn Rand.

We haven't got a children's forum...

You'll have to forgive Tony, he's British.

We need to keep this place free from substance and focus on the things that matter,   Rush license plates, new 5.1 releases of obscure material, and if we're lucky, almost audible bootlegs from the Presto tour.
You forgot thickness of vinyl. 200mg or 1800mg or whatever they are.

And those f***ing polls!
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Edited by Narpsberg, 01 April 2015 - 10:22 AM.





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