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Posted 07 August 2017 - 09:35 AM

View PostJohnRogers, on 20 February 2017 - 08:44 PM, said:

WTF?

ILS will like this.

The 928 was my favorite car back then. It's amazing how much better cars are today!

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 05:04 PM

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View PostJohnRogers, on 20 February 2017 - 08:44 PM, said:

WTF?

ILS will like this.

The 928 was my favorite car back then. It's amazing how much better cars are today!
That reminds me of a Motor Trend article from a few years back, when a $65,000 Z/28 finished just a few tenths of a second slower than the Ferrari 458 Itallia, and the Ferrari engineers thought Chevy cheated and sent a car with race tires.

240 & 190 horsepower.  Yep, times have changed! :lol:

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:34 AM

Fastest american production vehicle in 1978. (sorry, corvette!)

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:26 PM

View PostMMCXII, on 23 August 2017 - 12:34 AM, said:

Fastest american production vehicle in 1978. (sorry, corvette!)

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That ain't saying much in 1978.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 09:06 AM

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I almost covered my eyes on some of hose corners lol, I think they only built 70 of these things with a Hemi and most got wrecked racing.. so cool to see it being driven like that though!! I can't believe I have't seen this vid before..

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 12:19 PM

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I almost covered my eyes on some of hose corners lol, I think they only built 70 of these things with a Hemi and most got wrecked racing.. so cool to see it being driven like that though!! I can't believe I have't seen this vid before..

It should have been in english.  I would have liked to hear the commontery in a language I UNDERSTAND.  I know what you mean though, MM!  I got to see a few of those in Ann Arbor after they came out, and for many years after too.  There still are a few of them around SE Michigan.  Lots of gear-heads Here!  Most can trace their lineage To SE Michigan!  Farmers who have Barns with lots of room to work on Cars and their engines! The guy that was the Best Man at my first Wedding, had a '51 Ford Victoria Std. Coupe his father had owned.  He retored it to pristine condition inside and out.  It wasn't done in time for t he wedding, but he was an engineer at Chrysler, and got a Chrysler Imperial for our ride...White, of course.
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Posted 21 December 2017 - 01:15 AM

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...Since we're on trucks...

These were a ball to drive at the dealership back then. What Ford guy doesn't appreciate a good 351W?

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 06:57 AM

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View PostMMCXII, on 20 December 2017 - 09:06 AM, said:

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I almost covered my eyes on some of hose corners lol, I think they only built 70 of these things with a Hemi and most got wrecked racing.. so cool to see it being driven like that though!! I can't believe I have't seen this vid before..

It should have been in english.  I would have liked to hear the commontery in a language I UNDERSTAND.  I know what you mean though, MM!  I got to see a few of those in Ann Arbor after they came out, and for many years after too.  There still are a few of them around SE Michigan.  Lots of gear-heads Here!  Most can trace their lineage To SE Michigan!  Farmers who have Barns with lots of room to work on Cars and their engines! The guy that was the Best Man at my first Wedding, had a '51 Ford Victoria Std. Coupe his father had owned.  He retored it to pristine condition inside and out.  It wasn't done in time for t he wedding, but he was an engineer at Chrysler, and got a Chrysler Imperial for our ride...White, of course.
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I used to love watching Richard Petty in the 70's but I was too young to see him driving mopars.. Must've been a cool time.

There's a bunch of wing cars up here in Alberta too including at least one black Hemi Daytona, a white Superbird with about 100 original km (no joke!) and a farmer that has about 8 wing cars. Its amazing what hides in people's garages..!

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 07:01 AM

View Postozzy85, on 21 December 2017 - 01:15 AM, said:

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...Since we're on trucks...

These were a ball to drive at the dealership back then. What Ford guy doesn't appreciate a good 351W?

Im building a 302 for my 97 ranger stepside right now, should have about 350-400 hp. Already got the 4 link and waiting for wiiiide wheels.. I show you fun when it's done :D

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 08:10 AM

Back to wing cars.. The rarest was the 1970 Charger Daytona. They made 3 and one was the only winged car to be painted Plum Crazy and it actually had a factory sunroof! Another was sold originally to singer Robert goulet, a red one I think. I'm remembering this from an old magazine from the 80's I wish I could find pics online!

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 09:18 AM

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Back to wing cars.. The rarest was the 1970 Charger Daytona. They made 3 and one was the only winged car to be painted Plum Crazy and it actually had a factory sunroof! Another was sold originally to singer Robert goulet, a red one I think. I'm remembering this from an old magazine from the 80's I wish I could find pics online!
Good luck with the pics, I've had some luck, but not with specific images I want.
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Posted 21 December 2017 - 09:32 AM

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View Postozzy85, on 21 December 2017 - 01:15 AM, said:

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...Since we're on trucks...

These were a ball to drive at the dealership back then. What Ford guy doesn't appreciate a good 351W?

Im building a 302 for my 97 ranger stepside right now, should have about 350-400 hp. Already got the 4 link and waiting for wiiiide wheels.. I show you fun when it's done :D

I worked at the FORD plant in Saline, Michigan, when it was built, it was the World's Largest Injection Molding Plant. Until they built a replacement in Mexico.  That same year, 1995, I started working on the F 150 dash panel line, and They had a poster of the F 150 SVT Raptor! They eventually threw away that poster, but I saved it from the Trash bin.  I still have it packed away somewhere, but that was the coolest.
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Posted 26 December 2017 - 10:57 PM

View PostMMCXII, on 21 December 2017 - 07:01 AM, said:

View Postozzy85, on 21 December 2017 - 01:15 AM, said:

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...Since we're on trucks...

These were a ball to drive at the dealership back then. What Ford guy doesn't appreciate a good 351W?

Im building a 302 for my 97 ranger stepside right now, should have about 350-400 hp. Already got the 4 link and waiting for wiiiide wheels.. I show you fun when it's done :D
I wanna see a vid of those 14in tires getting ruined. (I have a '93...) There's some cool Ranger vids on YouTube. Someone managed to stuff a 390 into a '95.

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 01:32 AM

View PostFordgalaxy, on 07 December 2017 - 05:26 PM, said:

View PostMMCXII, on 23 August 2017 - 12:34 AM, said:

Fastest american production vehicle in 1978. (sorry, corvette!)

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That ain't saying much in 1978.
Plus, there's nothing terribly impressive about beating America's Plastic Fantastic Sports Car

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 09:38 AM

View PostThat One Guy, on 29 December 2017 - 01:32 AM, said:

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View PostMMCXII, on 23 August 2017 - 12:34 AM, said:

Fastest american production vehicle in 1978. (sorry, corvette!)

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That ain't saying much in 1978.
Plus, there's nothing terribly impressive about beating America's Plastic Fantastic Sports Car

I found that rather interesting, actually...
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Posted 31 December 2017 - 02:42 PM

View PostOldRUSHfan, on 31 December 2017 - 09:38 AM, said:

View PostThat One Guy, on 29 December 2017 - 01:32 AM, said:

View PostFordgalaxy, on 07 December 2017 - 05:26 PM, said:

View PostMMCXII, on 23 August 2017 - 12:34 AM, said:

Fastest american production vehicle in 1978. (sorry, corvette!)

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That ain't saying much in 1978.
Plus, there's nothing terribly impressive about beating America's Plastic Fantastic Sports Car

I found that rather interesting, actually...
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1978 was basically the low point for Corvette by 1981 horsepower starts to creep up again. By 1986 Corvette had nothing to apologize for.

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I'm thinking about buying this.
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If you don't know about these cars, and are a muscle car enthusiast, you should definitely read up on them. I know about them because I lived in the town where they were first ordered and went to school with a son of the guy who was the driver for them when they first came out. These are some truly special cars and the price reflects that.

1969 COPO ZL1 Camaro



The original ZL1 Camaros are the rarest and most sought-after examples of Chevrolet’s legendary first-generation pony car. Today, collectors recognize the exclusivity and prestige of owning an authentic ZL1 as so few were produced, and even fewer exist still. As such, Mecum Auctions is proud to present two stunning examples in an unprecedented offering on Thursday, January 11, 2018, during the Kissimmee, Florida, auction. These two exceptional ZL1 Camaros will be offered as a matched pair. As numbers 18 and 30 of the 69 total produced, both were a part of the first 50 units ordered by Fred Gibb. Both machines are well known in the ZL1 community and also retain their original all-aluminum 427 CI V-8 engines. Furthermore, both ZL1s have been professionally restored in their highly desirable factory color combinations and are documented with factory paperwork.

Despite unrelenting resistance from General Motors management, in the late 1960s, Chevrolet’s legendary product manager Vince Piggins regularly teamed with a small cadre of faithful dealers to produce insanely powerful limited-production muscle cars. The instrument of this insurrection was the Central Office Production Order program (COPO). Designed to facilitate orders for commercial fleet vehicles such as taxis and police cars, the COPO system provided Piggins and his dealers the means to circumvent the corporate racing ban (and its limits on displacement and horsepower-to-weight ratios) and supply factory-built racers and speed equipment to their customers. The 1969 ZL1 Camaro was the most sensational of these forbidden fruits, a simple yet devastating combination of heavy-duty suspension, brakes and driveline and Chevrolet’s all-aluminum 427 CI big-block engine. Designated by the factory as Central Office Production Order 9560, the ZL1s were the rarest of all 1969 Camaros. Chevrolet built a total of 69 equipped with the COPO 9560 option package.

The Camaro ZL1 was the brainchild of Fred Gibb, owner of Fred Gibb Chevrolet in La Harpe, Illinois, and a leader in Piggins’ network of Chevrolet performance dealers. Gibb first attracted national attention when Herb Fox, a Gibb Chevrolet salesman, bought a 1967 Camaro Z28 through the dealer and began racing it in NHRA D/Gas. Fox ended the 1967 season with a perfect 35-0 record, and Gibb was hooked. Fox soon thereafter met Chevrolet tuner and drag-racer Dick Harrell, and immediately introduced him to Gibb, facilitating one of drag-racing’s most famous partnerships and directly leading to the creation of the COPO 9560 ZL1 Camaros.

The ZL1 engine had its origins in the fire-breathing L88 427 CI big-block racing engine. Developed for the Can Am racing series by Bruce McLaren and Jim Hall’s innovative Chaparral team, the ZL1 made extensive use of aluminum in the block, heads, intake and ancillary pieces, employing steel only for the forged crank, connecting rods, pushrods and camshaft. The result was the most exotic American production engine ever built to that time, one weighing little more than a cast-iron Chevy small-block V-8 while generating more than 500 HP, which far outstripped its almost farcical factory rating of 430 HP.
The ZL1 Camaro’s primary purpose was to rule NHRA and AHRA Super Stock drag racing, the most famous example being Bill “Grumpy” Jenkins’ “Grumpy’s Toy VI,” which competed in both NHRA Super Stock and NHRA/AHRA Pro Stock ranks.


And rule they did, beginning with the Gibb-Harrell-Fox Super Stock Eliminator win at the 1969 NHRA Winternationals. ZL1 Camaros were equipped on the line as big-block-specification cars with F41 heavy-duty suspension, power front disc brakes, ZL2 cowl-induction hood, a choice of heavy-duty 4-speed manual or Hydra-Matic 3-speed automatic transmissions and Chevrolet’s extra-strength 12-bolt Positraction rear end with 4.10:1 gearing. At a sticker price of more than $7,200, the ZL1 Camaro was ridiculously expensive, making sense only to a professional racer planning to recover at least some of that cost with prize winnings.

No. 18 is highly celebrated in the supercar community and boasts known ownership history from day one. Documented with its original bill of sale and dealer order sheet, the car was restored by supercar specialist Dave Tinnell; it is also one of very few known to retain its original all-aluminum 427/430 HP ZL1 engine.
The well-known No. 18 is one of just 10 finished in Code-51 Dusk Blue. When Gibb failed to find a buyer for the car, he returned it to General Motors, which sent it to Tamson Chevrolet in Danville, Virginia. It was purchased there on July 15, 1969, by Ronald Dix of South Boston, Virginia, who traded in his 1969 Corvette and financed the remainder of the $7,324.35 price tag through General Motors Acceptance Corporation. Soon thereafter, the car developed an engine noise, but when Chevrolet refused to honor the warranty, Dix answered, “Fine, I won’t pay for the car, either.” Naturally, GMAC repossessed the car from Dix. A Chevrolet Warranty representative then offered it for sale to drag-racer Edward Sanderson of Lynchburg, Virginia, who purchased the car on December 18, 1969.


Sanderson immediately commissioned Kennsey Electronic Balancing to rebuild the engine and prepare it for drag racing. Sanderson raced the ZL1 Camaro for a couple of years before selling the car to family-friend Patricia Preston. In 1982, he bought the car back from Ms. Preston and kept it until 1987, when he sold it to Bob Porter Chevrolet in Ligonier, Indiana. Porter restored the Camaro to its original configuration in 1988 and cared for it until 1993, when the U.S. Camaro Club announced that it would be the grand prize in a raffle to celebrate the Camaro’s 25th anniversary.

The club made it easy to enter the raffle for the ZL1, which was suddenly the toast of the Camaro community: lay down $50 for a poster of the car, and you were in. Mike Ryan bought two, one for each of his children, and later became the lucky new owner. Noted supercar-collector Charley Lillard took over ownership in the mid-1990s and then sold it to another leading light in the Chevrolet community, Larry Bowman of Redwood City, California. Bowman had the car restored again, this time by Camaro and supercar-specialist Dave Tinnell of Edmonton, Kentucky. Tinnell, who has restored many COPO Camaros including Yenkos and other ZL1s, completed the car to the concours standards it retains to this day.

Subsequently owned by muscle-car authority Colin Comer and part of the Brett Torino Collection in Las Vegas from 2005-16, COPO 9560 Camaro No. 18 is a spectacular artifact of the classic muscle-car era. Its original engine carries the matching VIN stamp, and the car is documented with the original handwritten dealer order sheet and original bill of sale from Tamson Chevrolet. The ownership history is known since new, and today, this ZL1 Camaro is just one of very few boasting its original engine. Beautifully preserved and brutishly powerful, this is the car for the demanding Camaro collector seeking a top-tier example of the legendary ZL1.
Couple the fantastic No. 18 with another outstanding example of the original ZL1 Camaros, and it becomes the definition of a match made in muscle-car heaven.


Camaro ZL1 No. 30 boasts only 361 original miles and is another of the very few known to retain its original all-aluminum 427/430 HP ZL1 engine. Documented with the original Protect-O-Plate and Manufacturer’s Statement of Origin, the car’s professional restoration has earned a multitude of Camaro Nationals awards. No. 30 is also among the mere 13 examples successfully sold by Gibb.
As mentioned earlier, the price of the ZL1 creation was exorbitant at best. Yet it was only after Gibb ordered the first 50 ZL1 Camaros that he discovered, to his horror, that Chevrolet was charging him for the development of the ZL1 engine package; first quoted by Chevrolet at approximately $400, the amortization of those costs added $4,160 to the Camaro’s base price, ballooning the bottom line to the more than $7,200 price tag. Facing monumental financing charges and saddled with 50 cars utterly unsuited for public roads and bearing weapons-grade sticker shock, Gibb managed to negotiate a mass buyback by Chevrolet. As a result, this Hugger Orange-on-black 1969 ZL1 Camaro is one of the only 13 eventually sold by Fred Gibb Chevrolet, making it a rarity even amongst the 69 total ZL1 Camaros ever built.


According to the November-December 1993 issue of “Camaro Enthusiast” magazine, Pizza Hut franchisee Larry Kreigh of Shawnee Mission, Kansas, purchased the car from Gibb in May 1969. After Dick Harrell prepared it for drag racing at his Kansas City performance center, it raced under Pizza Hut sponsorship in Super Stock competition, setting the track top-stock B Class Record running the quarter mile in 11 seconds flat at 123 MPH on 7-inch tires. For a periord of approximately two years, Kreigh swapped cars with his racing partner Jim Cooper and later swapped the cars back with no paperwork or transaction involved.

Afterwards, the car was placed in long-term storage for many years, never registered or seeing duty on the street. Thomas Sherwood of California located and purchased the Camaro in 1989, by which time Kreigh had removed all the racing equipment and had begun restoring it. Awed by its 8.4-mile odometer reading, Sherwood commissioned Mark Schwarz of Springer Auto Body & Paint in San Jose to execute a restoration. The car was completed on August 7, 1993, and was immediately transported to Dearborn, Michigan, for the ZL1 Reunion at the 1993 Camaro Club National Meet, where it earned First in Class, Best Paint, Best Engine Compartment and a score of 986/1,000 points, all of which were chronicled in a cover feature story in “Camaro Enthusiast” magazine.

ZL1 No. 30 was expertly restored again in 2004 under the ownership of Larry Bowman of Woodside, California, who bought it in 2000. It remains in excellent condition today, now showing only 361 miles. Of the 15 Hugger Orange ZL1 Camaros produced, it is one of 10 4-speeds and one of three 4-speeds sold by Fred Gibb Chevrolet. It is a singularly exceptional example of Chevrolet’s “Super Camaro,” whose provenance is backed up by documentation that includes its original Manufacturer’s Statement of Origin and the Protect-O-Plate.

As two of just 69 ZL1 Camaros ever produced, both of the first run of 50 originally ordered by Fred Gibb, both still retaining their rare and original 427 CI ZL1 engines, and both boasting factory 4-speed transmissions, these are unquestionably two of the best and most authentic 1969 ZL1 Camaros still in existence today. With their offering as a matched pair at the world’s largest collector-car auction this January in Florida, Mecum Auctions has created an American muscle-car collector’s dream scenario, and one that will likely never again be repeated. The opportunity to bid on these cars, or even to merely enjoy their magnificent presence, is one that no enthusiast should deny oneself.




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