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[fraroc]

The rules are simple, what Rush song do you love that you would sacrifice to hear another Rush song that you love more?


This is the format and my submission.



I would sacrifice hearing Closer To The Heart in order to hear Witch Hunt live.

[Disk98]

fraroc, on 26 February 2015 - 10:32 PM, said:

The rules are simple, what Rush song do you love that you would sacrifice to hear another Rush song that you love more?


This is the format and my submission.



I would sacrifice hearing Closer To The Heart in order to hear Witch Hunt live.

You would?  I wouldn't.

Anyway, I'd sacrifice both of those to hear Xanadu.

[mother of all machines]

I would sacrifice the 3 for a complete 2112

Edited by mother of all machines, 01 March 2015 - 05:31 PM.

[BigBob]

I'd sacrifice the same old 2112 they play for the Panacea part in Fountain of Lamneth

[CyriK]

I'd sacrifice all of 2112 except Lessons, all of counterparts except Alien Shore, all of the debut album, all of Power Windows to hear Fountain of Lamneth live and all of Vapor Trails Live

[laughedatbytime]

I'd sacrifice Half the World to hear five minutes of silence.

[Fridge]

I'd sacrifice everything they've done since 1987 (with the exception of half of Presto and half of T4E) just because.......

[rollthebones5150]

I would sacrifice the Presto album (which is amazing) to have the Power Windows album!!!

[edhunter]

I'd sacrifice your mother to hear dog years

[Permanent-Rush]

edhunter, on 18 January 2019 - 02:31 PM, said:

I'd sacrifice your mother to hear dog years

I would sacrifice Dog Years just to kick your ass.

[Derek19]

Back to the topic, and question.  The Rush songs I would sacrifice seeing, and hearing are "Freewill", "Limelight", "New World Man", "Manhattan Project", "Turn the Page", and "Roll the Bones" to see, and hear full, and original versions of "By-Tor and the Snow Dog", and "La Villa Strangiato (An Exercise In Self-Indulgence)", and "Countdown", and "Kid Gloves".

Edited by Derek19, 28 January 2019 - 03:21 PM.

[Self-Indulgence]

sac. Hemispheres(R40)

to hear La Villa Strangiato(complete on R40 tour)

[Flavia2112]

I would sacrifice A Passage To Bangkok to hear Freewill.
Although I've had Freewill in my head almost nonstop since my first listen a couple months ago so maybe not that...maybe Xanadu. Or Fountain Of Lamneth. Or Anthem, even though I don't like the lyrics. Or Limelight. Or Red Sector A.
I don't even dislike Passage To Bangkok that much.

I'd also sacrifice Working Man to hear Circumstances--but only because not being able to hear Working Man would give me an incentive to practice playing it.
But does sacrificing something mean it's erased from existence--in which case I probably wouldn't--or does it just mean you can't listen to it? Hmm.

[IbanezJem]

I`d sacrifice all of AFTK if it ensured I could keep Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

[Flavia2112]

IbanezJem, on 26 November 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

I`d sacrifice all of AFTK if it ensured I could keep Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

I might do that...but Xanadu is one of my all-time favorites...and I wouldn't really want Cygnus X-1 Book Two without Book One... Maybe I'd sacrifice...what's something I don't like as much...Hold Your Fire for Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

[IbanezJem]

Flavia2112, on 27 November 2020 - 03:46 AM, said:

IbanezJem, on 26 November 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

I`d sacrifice all of AFTK if it ensured I could keep Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

I might do that...but Xanadu is one of my all-time favorites...and I wouldn't really want Cygnus X-1 Book Two without Book One... Maybe I'd sacrifice...what's something I don't like as much...Hold Your Fire for Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

Yes, don`t let my indifference to AFTK drag you down.  I can`t exactly pin it down, but I just don`t think it`s as good as the other pre-1985 stone-cold classics.

[Flavia2112]

IbanezJem, on 27 November 2020 - 11:47 AM, said:

Flavia2112, on 27 November 2020 - 03:46 AM, said:

IbanezJem, on 26 November 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

I`d sacrifice all of AFTK if it ensured I could keep Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

I might do that...but Xanadu is one of my all-time favorites...and I wouldn't really want Cygnus X-1 Book Two without Book One... Maybe I'd sacrifice...what's something I don't like as much...Hold Your Fire for Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

Yes, don`t let my indifference to AFTK drag you down.  I can`t exactly pin it down, but I just don`t think it`s as good as the other pre-1985 stone-cold classics.

I wonder why. For me everything in the 70s and early 80s (except maybe the first album) is fully amazing (notwithstanding the few Ayn Rand-ian sentiments that bother me), then as you get into the mid-80s, there'll be the occasional not-so-good song (except on Presto), more so in the 90s...sorry for talking your ear off typing your eyes off, but I'm curious. Not liking (or being indifferent to) AFTK specifically is very different than, say, not liking the first album or the synth era.

Edited by Flavia2112, 28 November 2020 - 05:35 AM.

[IbanezJem]

Flavia2112, on 28 November 2020 - 05:33 AM, said:

IbanezJem, on 27 November 2020 - 11:47 AM, said:

Flavia2112, on 27 November 2020 - 03:46 AM, said:

IbanezJem, on 26 November 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

I`d sacrifice all of AFTK if it ensured I could keep Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

I might do that...but Xanadu is one of my all-time favorites...and I wouldn't really want Cygnus X-1 Book Two without Book One... Maybe I'd sacrifice...what's something I don't like as much...Hold Your Fire for Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

Yes, don`t let my indifference to AFTK drag you down.  I can`t exactly pin it down, but I just don`t think it`s as good as the other pre-1985 stone-cold classics.

I wonder why. For me everything in the 70s and early 80s (except maybe the first album) is fully amazing (notwithstanding the few Ayn Rand-ian sentiments that bother me), then as you get into the mid-80s, there'll be the occasional not-so-good song (except on Presto), more so in the 90s...sorry for talking your ear off typing your eyes off, but I'm curious. Not liking (or being indifferent to) AFTK specifically is very different than, say, not liking the first album or the synth era.

You`d do well to talk my ears off type my eyes out, as I`m happy to converse at great length about anything! I completely agree with you, my AFTK problem makes no sense.  Chronology and/or synths are far more often the reasons for favouring one record or era over another, or indeed Neil addressing wider issues than the self could be another. Many think it is their favourite.  I can still remember the sense of disappointment I felt when I heard it the first time, as like you, I`m newer to the band than most TRF stalwarts. Maybe it depends on your love of Coleridge? I know that I had always disliked Kubla Khan, so approached Xanadu in a slightly jaundiced way, and much prefer Neil`s own thoughts. I`m not saying they should have interpreted Sylvia Plath, but I like literature grounded in my world or at least about things I can relate to.  I am confused by how the majesty of Hemispheres and PW sit after AFTK, which for me lacks the personal, observational and insightful lyrics of Circumstances, TSOR, Natural Science.  AFTK seems to be about other people and other things, detached, and lacking in great riffs too to my ears, so I feel that I`m removed too, rather than engaged.  I`m trying to explain what is fundamentally an album that leaves me strangely cold.  I don`t think I`ve done it very well!

[Flavia2112]

IbanezJem, on 28 November 2020 - 01:56 PM, said:

Flavia2112, on 28 November 2020 - 05:33 AM, said:

IbanezJem, on 27 November 2020 - 11:47 AM, said:

Flavia2112, on 27 November 2020 - 03:46 AM, said:

IbanezJem, on 26 November 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

I`d sacrifice all of AFTK if it ensured I could keep Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

I might do that...but Xanadu is one of my all-time favorites...and I wouldn't really want Cygnus X-1 Book Two without Book One... Maybe I'd sacrifice...what's something I don't like as much...Hold Your Fire for Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

Yes, don`t let my indifference to AFTK drag you down.  I can`t exactly pin it down, but I just don`t think it`s as good as the other pre-1985 stone-cold classics.

I wonder why. For me everything in the 70s and early 80s (except maybe the first album) is fully amazing (notwithstanding the few Ayn Rand-ian sentiments that bother me), then as you get into the mid-80s, there'll be the occasional not-so-good song (except on Presto), more so in the 90s...sorry for talking your ear off typing your eyes off, but I'm curious. Not liking (or being indifferent to) AFTK specifically is very different than, say, not liking the first album or the synth era.

You`d do well to talk my ears off type my eyes out, as I`m happy to converse at great length about anything! I completely agree with you, my AFTK problem makes no sense.  Chronology and/or synths are far more often the reasons for favouring one record or era over another, or indeed Neil addressing wider issues than the self could be another. Many think it is their favourite.  I can still remember the sense of disappointment I felt when I heard it the first time, as like you, I`m newer to the band than most TRF stalwarts. Maybe it depends on your love of Coleridge? I know that I had always disliked Kubla Khan, so approached Xanadu in a slightly jaundiced way, and much prefer Neil`s own thoughts. I`m not saying they should have interpreted Sylvia Plath, but I like literature grounded in my world or at least about things I can relate to.  I am confused by how the majesty of Hemispheres and PW sit after AFTK, which for me lacks the personal, observational and insightful lyrics of Circumstances, TSOR, Natural Science.  AFTK seems to be about other people and other things, detached, and lacking in great riffs too to my ears, so I feel that I`m removed too, rather than engaged.  I`m trying to explain what is fundamentally an album that leaves me strangely cold.  I don`t think I`ve done it very well!

I see your point about it being detached. Xanadu and Cinderella Man are based on other things, I don't know what Madrigal's about... I should research this. I actually knew nothing about Coleridge until I heard Xanadu, and then when I read Kubla Khan I was too busy being like "oh, that's what they were talking about!" to actually think about whether I liked the poem. Errrr...stay on topic, Flavia. Ummmm...I don't have time to think about what I want to type...
I guess this really proves that there isn't just the fan who only cares about Tom Sawyer, the fan who hates the synths, and the fan who thinks Rush can do no wrong.

[IbanezJem]

Flavia2112, on 30 November 2020 - 03:57 AM, said:

IbanezJem, on 28 November 2020 - 01:56 PM, said:

Flavia2112, on 28 November 2020 - 05:33 AM, said:

IbanezJem, on 27 November 2020 - 11:47 AM, said:

Flavia2112, on 27 November 2020 - 03:46 AM, said:

IbanezJem, on 26 November 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

I`d sacrifice all of AFTK if it ensured I could keep Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

I might do that...but Xanadu is one of my all-time favorites...and I wouldn't really want Cygnus X-1 Book Two without Book One... Maybe I'd sacrifice...what's something I don't like as much...Hold Your Fire for Permanent Waves and Hemispheres.

Yes, don`t let my indifference to AFTK drag you down.  I can`t exactly pin it down, but I just don`t think it`s as good as the other pre-1985 stone-cold classics.

I wonder why. For me everything in the 70s and early 80s (except maybe the first album) is fully amazing (notwithstanding the few Ayn Rand-ian sentiments that bother me), then as you get into the mid-80s, there'll be the occasional not-so-good song (except on Presto), more so in the 90s...sorry for talking your ear off typing your eyes off, but I'm curious. Not liking (or being indifferent to) AFTK specifically is very different than, say, not liking the first album or the synth era.

You`d do well to talk my ears off type my eyes out, as I`m happy to converse at great length about anything! I completely agree with you, my AFTK problem makes no sense.  Chronology and/or synths are far more often the reasons for favouring one record or era over another, or indeed Neil addressing wider issues than the self could be another. Many think it is their favourite.  I can still remember the sense of disappointment I felt when I heard it the first time, as like you, I`m newer to the band than most TRF stalwarts. Maybe it depends on your love of Coleridge? I know that I had always disliked Kubla Khan, so approached Xanadu in a slightly jaundiced way, and much prefer Neil`s own thoughts. I`m not saying they should have interpreted Sylvia Plath, but I like literature grounded in my world or at least about things I can relate to.  I am confused by how the majesty of Hemispheres and PW sit after AFTK, which for me lacks the personal, observational and insightful lyrics of Circumstances, TSOR, Natural Science.  AFTK seems to be about other people and other things, detached, and lacking in great riffs too to my ears, so I feel that I`m removed too, rather than engaged.  I`m trying to explain what is fundamentally an album that leaves me strangely cold.  I don`t think I`ve done it very well!

I see your point about it being detached. Xanadu and Cinderella Man are based on other things, I don't know what Madrigal's about... I should research this. I actually knew nothing about Coleridge until I heard Xanadu, and then when I read Kubla Khan I was too busy being like "oh, that's what they were talking about!" to actually think about whether I liked the poem. Errrr...stay on topic, Flavia. Ummmm...I don't have time to think about what I want to type...
I guess this really proves that there isn't just the fan who only cares about Tom Sawyer, the fan who hates the synths, and the fan who thinks Rush can do no wrong.

I`m not entirely alone, as there are at least two other TRFers who share my position on AFTK. But I`m almost certainly on my own in truly not understanding the love for Xanadu.  Madrigal and Cinderella Man have a B-side quality about them, again, in context of the records that followed, and I think the title track is really missing some "ooompphh".  The joy of Rush is at its mostest when the best elements of the three majestic powers are apparent - if I may be so bold, I don`t think that happens here.