ALifeson85 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Considering Geddy's comments from this past week's episode of "The Metal Show", about how ESL "haunts" him, because of how he regrets pulling the audience so far back in the final mix, and giving it TOO polished of a sound - if Rush were to release a re-mastered version of ESL, with a more "live" / raw sound - same track list, with maybe a few added bonus tracks from that tour (Limelight, Hemispheres Prelude, The Camera Eye, etc), would you buy it?? I totally would!! I actually STILL love the current version of that album, but I kinda do agree with Geddy's feelings towards the mix. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I love Exit...Stage Left, and I would buy a remaster of it especially if it included additional tracks. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I bet there's a very good chance that the master tapes of those concerts are long gone. It's just a hunch... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YYZumbi Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Ofcourse I buy it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 There was a live version of "Vital Signs" released on the b-side of the "New World Man" single. I bet there's not much left, if anything at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALifeson85 Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 I bet there's a very good chance that the master tapes of those concerts are long gone. It's just a hunch... Maybe...then again, they have managed to dig up a LOT of old concert footage / recordings in the past, and released them...for example : the bonus disc for "Different Stages", with the Hammersmith '77 show. You never know..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YYZumbi Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 There was a live version of "Vital Signs" released on the b-side of the "New World Man" single. I bet there's not much left, if anything at all. 2112. That was released on the deluxe edition of 2012 remastered 2112 album. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALifeson85 Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Since we're on the subject...I'm ALSO ready for the FULL Toronto '97 show from the TfE tour. The look and sound of the footage they DID release on the R40 box set, is AMAZING. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 They'd probably have to put a fake audience in there if they did it, which would kind of defeat the purpose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The aspects of ESL that "haunt" Geddy could not be corrected through a mere process of remastering. The audience, or lack thereof, and the polished nature of the recordings is a mixing and overdubbing problem. It would require a much more rigorous intervention to fix the problems Geddy and some Rush fans have with it. That said, this isn't unprecedented for Rush. After all, they did remix Vapor Trails. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 They'd probably have to put a fake audience in there if they did it, which would kind of defeat the purpose. :goodone: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Case Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The aspects of ESL that "haunt" Geddy could not be corrected through a mere process of remastering. The audience, or lack thereof, and the polished nature of the recordings is a mixing and overdubbing problem. It would require a much more rigorous intervention to fix the problems Geddy and some Rush fans have with it. That said, this isn't unprecedented for Rush. After all, they did remix Vapor Trails. Do we know that for sure, though? Were the shows recorded with no ambiance mics placed around the room? I just kinda always assumed the sterile sound was a product of the studio. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. That said...if the original recordings do exist and can be remastered to sound live...I'd absolutely buy it!! Til then, I'll just keep listening to my Anaheim bootlegs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Compared to ATWAS, ESL was a train wreck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The aspects of ESL that "haunt" Geddy could not be corrected through a mere process of remastering. The audience, or lack thereof, and the polished nature of the recordings is a mixing and overdubbing problem. It would require a much more rigorous intervention to fix the problems Geddy and some Rush fans have with it. That said, this isn't unprecedented for Rush. After all, they did remix Vapor Trails. Do we know that for sure, though? Were the shows recorded with no ambiance mics placed around the room? I just kinda always assumed the sterile sound was a product of the studio. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. That said...if the original recordings do exist and can be remastered to sound live...I'd absolutely buy it!! Til then, I'll just keep listening to my Anaheim bootlegs!! He said they pulled the audience back in the mix, which sounds like they had the audience on a separate channel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The aspects of ESL that "haunt" Geddy could not be corrected through a mere process of remastering. The audience, or lack thereof, and the polished nature of the recordings is a mixing and overdubbing problem. It would require a much more rigorous intervention to fix the problems Geddy and some Rush fans have with it. That said, this isn't unprecedented for Rush. After all, they did remix Vapor Trails. Do we know that for sure, though? Were the shows recorded with no ambiance mics placed around the room? I just kinda always assumed the sterile sound was a product of the studio. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. That said...if the original recordings do exist and can be remastered to sound live...I'd absolutely buy it!! Til then, I'll just keep listening to my Anaheim bootlegs!! He said they pulled the audience back in the mix, which sounds like they had the audience on a separate channel. Can you imagine if it sounded like ATWAS? :haz: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Case Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The aspects of ESL that "haunt" Geddy could not be corrected through a mere process of remastering. The audience, or lack thereof, and the polished nature of the recordings is a mixing and overdubbing problem. It would require a much more rigorous intervention to fix the problems Geddy and some Rush fans have with it. That said, this isn't unprecedented for Rush. After all, they did remix Vapor Trails. Do we know that for sure, though? Were the shows recorded with no ambiance mics placed around the room? I just kinda always assumed the sterile sound was a product of the studio. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. That said...if the original recordings do exist and can be remastered to sound live...I'd absolutely buy it!! Til then, I'll just keep listening to my Anaheim bootlegs!! He said they pulled the audience back in the mix, which sounds like they had the audience on a separate channel. Can you imagine if it sounded like ATWAS? :haz:   Exactly!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The aspects of ESL that "haunt" Geddy could not be corrected through a mere process of remastering. The audience, or lack thereof, and the polished nature of the recordings is a mixing and overdubbing problem. It would require a much more rigorous intervention to fix the problems Geddy and some Rush fans have with it. That said, this isn't unprecedented for Rush. After all, they did remix Vapor Trails. Do we know that for sure, though? Were the shows recorded with no ambiance mics placed around the room? I just kinda always assumed the sterile sound was a product of the studio. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. That said...if the original recordings do exist and can be remastered to sound live...I'd absolutely buy it!! Til then, I'll just keep listening to my Anaheim bootlegs!! Yes, I'm sure they do have an audience track(s). But you cannot simply add those in during remastering. That's not how mastering works, or what mastering is as a process. Putting the audience track back in would require a remix. So too would removing or altering some of the overdubs that contribute to its polished sheen, and detract from its raw potential. A remix is a much more involved process. It would take more time, money, and energy. So the band would have to collectively care about this as much as they did Vapor Trails, for example, or devoting their time to developing new material. And then, if they did remix it, they would have to remaster it again too, as the standard process dictates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The aspects of ESL that "haunt" Geddy could not be corrected through a mere process of remastering. The audience, or lack thereof, and the polished nature of the recordings is a mixing and overdubbing problem. It would require a much more rigorous intervention to fix the problems Geddy and some Rush fans have with it. That said, this isn't unprecedented for Rush. After all, they did remix Vapor Trails. Do we know that for sure, though? Were the shows recorded with no ambiance mics placed around the room? I just kinda always assumed the sterile sound was a product of the studio. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. That said...if the original recordings do exist and can be remastered to sound live...I'd absolutely buy it!! Til then, I'll just keep listening to my Anaheim bootlegs!! He said they pulled the audience back in the mix, which sounds like they had the audience on a separate channel. Can you imagine if it sounded like ATWAS? :haz: That would have been awesome, but I think if it had, they wouldn't have lowered them so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The aspects of ESL that "haunt" Geddy could not be corrected through a mere process of remastering. The audience, or lack thereof, and the polished nature of the recordings is a mixing and overdubbing problem. It would require a much more rigorous intervention to fix the problems Geddy and some Rush fans have with it. That said, this isn't unprecedented for Rush. After all, they did remix Vapor Trails. Do we know that for sure, though? Were the shows recorded with no ambiance mics placed around the room? I just kinda always assumed the sterile sound was a product of the studio. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. That said...if the original recordings do exist and can be remastered to sound live...I'd absolutely buy it!! Til then, I'll just keep listening to my Anaheim bootlegs!! He said they pulled the audience back in the mix, which sounds like they had the audience on a separate channel. Can you imagine if it sounded like ATWAS? :haz: That would have been awesome, but I think if it had, they wouldn't have lowered them so much. ATWAS is what got me in to Rush, Perfection!! ESL was such a let down for me. I never understood why they went down that road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The aspects of ESL that "haunt" Geddy could not be corrected through a mere process of remastering. The audience, or lack thereof, and the polished nature of the recordings is a mixing and overdubbing problem. It would require a much more rigorous intervention to fix the problems Geddy and some Rush fans have with it. That said, this isn't unprecedented for Rush. After all, they did remix Vapor Trails. Do we know that for sure, though? Were the shows recorded with no ambiance mics placed around the room? I just kinda always assumed the sterile sound was a product of the studio. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. That said...if the original recordings do exist and can be remastered to sound live...I'd absolutely buy it!! Til then, I'll just keep listening to my Anaheim bootlegs!! He said they pulled the audience back in the mix, which sounds like they had the audience on a separate channel. Can you imagine if it sounded like ATWAS? :haz: That would have been awesome, but I think if it had, they wouldn't have lowered them so much. ATWAS is what got me in to Rush, Perfection!! ESL was such a let down for me. I never understood why they went down that road. If I had to guess, maybe they were trying for more of a studio sound in a live record. Trying to be perfect, but losing the "live" feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Case Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The aspects of ESL that "haunt" Geddy could not be corrected through a mere process of remastering. The audience, or lack thereof, and the polished nature of the recordings is a mixing and overdubbing problem. It would require a much more rigorous intervention to fix the problems Geddy and some Rush fans have with it. That said, this isn't unprecedented for Rush. After all, they did remix Vapor Trails. Do we know that for sure, though? Were the shows recorded with no ambiance mics placed around the room? I just kinda always assumed the sterile sound was a product of the studio. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. That said...if the original recordings do exist and can be remastered to sound live...I'd absolutely buy it!! Til then, I'll just keep listening to my Anaheim bootlegs!! Yes, I'm sure they do have an audience track(s). But you cannot simply add those in during remastering. That's not how mastering works, or what mastering is as a process. Putting the audience track back in would require a remix. So too would removing or altering some of the overdubs that contribute to its polished sheen, and detract from its raw potential. A remix is a much more involved process. It would take more time, money, and energy. So the band would have to collectively care about this as much as they did Vapor Trails, for example, or devoting their time to developing new material. And then, if they did remix it, they would have to remaster it again too, as the standard process dictates.   I dunno..."haunted" is a pretty strong word. I realize Geddy can only speak for himself, but I don't see why a complete remix/remaster couldn't theoretically happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas7 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Never listen to the CD as the original VHS video has a far superior sound track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron2112 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Point of order: the 2112 Deluxe Edition from a couple years ago includes "Overture/Temples" live from two different shows on the Canadian leg of the tour. Evidence that the multi-tracks do still exist. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The only solution is to reprise the ESL set list on the R40 Tour and release that recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerofthor Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Don't do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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