toymaker Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Good drummers have a "feel" for the rhythm; you'll often see them moving their body in time. This sense of groove prevents them from being too "mechanical" like a clock. I don't think I have ever noticed Neil doing that, but I have noticed Geddy who has an incredible sense of beat. He seems to not be able to help himself. Even when he's not moving, he is dah-dah-dah'ing along with the music. This last thing is prominent on a lot of bootlegs that I have. Who decides and how is it decided what the particular beat and/or rhythm will be for a song? I'd say usually whoever starts the song. If Alex just blasts through the opening to Spirit of Radio, the others pretty much have to follow his lead - or else there will be a noticeable change in the speed. Good drummers can take the lead and slowly and subltey bring the tempo back to where it belongs. I have to say, though, that the boys were often pretty amped up in the 80s. If you listen to some of the Signals bootlegs, they are playing fast! As for Neil's motions, one thing that I have noticed him doing - that I don't really remember seeing him do in the old days - is that he has almost a facial tick thing happening. When he slams his stick down on the snare, his head does this sort of little shake. Anyone else notice that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Have you seen the "classic albums" DVD about 2112 and Moving Pictures? They play a bit of the demo for Tom Sawyer, and it is a lot faster. They made a choice to slow it down, which I think improved it's sense of groove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Good drummers have a "feel" for the rhythm; you'll often see them moving their body in time. This sense of groove prevents them from being too "mechanical" like a clock. I don't think I have ever noticed Neil doing that, but I have noticed Geddy who has an incredible sense of beat. He seems to not be able to help himself. Even when he's not moving, he is dah-dah-dah'ing along with the music. This last thing is prominent on a lot of bootlegs that I have. Who decides and how is it decided what the particular beat and/or rhythm will be for a song? I'd say usually whoever starts the song. If Alex just blasts through the opening to Spirit of Radio, the others pretty much have to follow his lead - or else there will be a noticeable change in the speed. Good drummers can take the lead and slowly and subltey bring the tempo back to where it belongs. I have to say, though, that the boys were often pretty amped up in the 80s. If you listen to some of the Signals bootlegs, they are playing fast! As for Neil's motions, one thing that I have noticed him doing - that I don't really remember seeing him do in the old days - is that he has almost a facial tick thing happening. When he slams his stick down on the snare, his head does this sort of little shake. Anyone else notice that?No, but give me a place to look so I can see if i notice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Good drummers have a "feel" for the rhythm; you'll often see them moving their body in time. This sense of groove prevents them from being too "mechanical" like a clock. I don't think I have ever noticed Neil doing that, but I have noticed Geddy who has an incredible sense of beat. He seems to not be able to help himself. Even when he's not moving, he is dah-dah-dah'ing along with the music. This last thing is prominent on a lot of bootlegs that I have. Who decides and how is it decided what the particular beat and/or rhythm will be for a song? I'd say usually whoever starts the song. If Alex just blasts through the opening to Spirit of Radio, the others pretty much have to follow his lead - or else there will be a noticeable change in the speed. Good drummers can take the lead and slowly and subltey bring the tempo back to where it belongs. I have to say, though, that the boys were often pretty amped up in the 80s. If you listen to some of the Signals bootlegs, they are playing fast! As for Neil's motions, one thing that I have noticed him doing - that I don't really remember seeing him do in the old days - is that he has almost a facial tick thing happening. When he slams his stick down on the snare, his head does this sort of little shake. Anyone else notice that?No, but give me a place to look so I can see if i notice it. Hmmm . . . I'm at work right now (I have to teach a night class in about 14 minutes) . . . but I think if you watch any of the more recent tour videos, you'll see him doing it. And yes, Lee is just a bundle of energy - like a little kid, sometimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddy's Soul Patch Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Good drummers have a "feel" for the rhythm; you'll often see them moving their body in time. This sense of groove prevents them from being too "mechanical" like a clock. I don't think I have ever noticed Neil doing that, but I have noticed Geddy who has an incredible sense of beat. He seems to not be able to help himself. Even when he's not moving, he is dah-dah-dah'ing along with the music. This last thing is prominent on a lot of bootlegs that I have. Who decides and how is it decided what the particular beat and/or rhythm will be for a song? I'd say usually whoever starts the song. If Alex just blasts through the opening to Spirit of Radio, the others pretty much have to follow his lead - or else there will be a noticeable change in the speed. Good drummers can take the lead and slowly and subltey bring the tempo back to where it belongs. I have to say, though, that the boys were often pretty amped up in the 80s. If you listen to some of the Signals bootlegs, they are playing fast! As for Neil's motions, one thing that I have noticed him doing - that I don't really remember seeing him do in the old days - is that he has almost a facial tick thing happening. When he slams his stick down on the snare, his head does this sort of little shake. Anyone else notice that? I always notice that little tick think you're talking about. He does it quite a bit nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Patch, do you know of one off the top of your head without me having to watch every song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddy's Soul Patch Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Patch, do you know of one off the top of your head without me having to watch every song? I can't seem to think of one right now, but I'll try to find one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddy's Soul Patch Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Patch, do you know of one off the top of your head without me having to watch every song? I can't seem to think of one right now, but I'll try to find one Ok I found one. Tom Sawyer from the CA Tour, he does it a couple times right after Geddy says "the river" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Thanks, GSP. I see what you and Toymaker are talking about and have noticed it already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersyl Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Best Hi-Hat Work: The slow Part In La Villa... The little tick: Yes, he now "tilts his head" to the right when hitting the snare, but if you watch old bootlegs, he used to bob his head up and down through the whole songs, so it's not really new.. It's just like his new style, a bit "straighter"... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Patch, do you know of one off the top of your head without me having to watch every song? I can't seem to think of one right now, but I'll try to find one Ok I found one. Tom Sawyer from the CA Tour, he does it a couple times right after Geddy says "the river" I've also noticed that it seems to coincide to when Geddy hits a particularly strained note. The other thing that helps determine the rhythm of a particular song if you notice live Neil will hit his sticks together for four beats right before the song starts. That lets the other guys know the rhythm and speed of the song and so they'll start at the same moment and be in time together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticklight Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The best use of Hi Hat in a Rush song is definitely Totem, starting at 3:15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Patch, do you know of one off the top of your head without me having to watch every song? I can't seem to think of one right now, but I'll try to find one Ok I found one. Tom Sawyer from the CA Tour, he does it a couple times right after Geddy says "the river" I've also noticed that it seems to coincide to when Geddy hits a particularly strained note. The other thing that helps determine the rhythm of a particular song if you notice live Neil will hit his sticks together for four beats right before the song starts. That lets the other guys know the rhythm and speed of the song and so they'll start at the same moment and be in time together.I understand that is very common for a drummer to tap out the beat before a song starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMCXII Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The Weapon and during the guitar solo on La Villa And then there's that little string of 6 quick hit/closes at around the 2 minute mark of Lessons.. Always thought that was so cool and such a Rush thing to do :) http://youtube.com/watch?list=PLWnVxuqvY7JhIStJuEWmAAprHwcxAJl8T&v=X3jgmySKsNg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bytor1958 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Watching this right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK1hmDpa8bo Can't get any better than this.... It's a Classic!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleMoon Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Patch, do you know of one off the top of your head without me having to watch every song? I can't seem to think of one right now, but I'll try to find one Ok I found one. Tom Sawyer from the CA Tour, he does it a couple times right after Geddy says "the river" I've also noticed that it seems to coincide to when Geddy hits a particularly strained note. The other thing that helps determine the rhythm of a particular song if you notice live Neil will hit his sticks together for four beats right before the song starts. That lets the other guys know the rhythm and speed of the song and so they'll start at the same moment and be in time together.I understand that is very common for a drummer to tap out the beat before a song starts. Yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty Mindless Spectre Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The Weapon and during the guitar solo on La Villa And then there's that little string of 6 quick hit/closes at around the 2 minute mark of Lessons.. Always thought that was so cool and such a Rush thing to do :) http://youtube.com/watch?list=PLWnVxuqvY7JhIStJuEWmAAprHwcxAJl8T&v=X3jgmySKsNg Nice call! I swear I was going post the same thing. Lessons is one of my favorites! :goodone: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty Mindless Spectre Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I also think the early section of Vital Signs features some nice high-hat work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The best use of Hi Hat in a Rush song is definitely Totem, starting at 3:15 That is pretty cool, I have to admit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyder80 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 That's the bass drum. Neil has one foot on the bass drum pedal, the other on the hi-hat pedal, and the faster, repetitive rhythm of the cymbal sound is what he's playing with the sticks.How does he do it? It's not like each of these is doing the same thing. To my ears (and I may be wrong since I am not a musician), it sounds like each one is a different beat. How does he not get confused and lose what sounds like different beats? Be born with a natural ability towards muscianship and then spend the next fifty years of your life behind a drum kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyder80 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Vital Signs, Natural Science, The Weapon, Marathon, The Mission (second verse), The Analog Kid, Bravado, Subdivisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddy's Soul Patch Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Vital Signs, Natural Science, The Weapon, Marathon, The Mission (second verse), The Analog Kid, Bravado, Subdivisions. Good call on Marathon, some of his best drum work ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toymaker Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Vital Signs, Natural Science, The Weapon, Marathon, The Mission (second verse), The Analog Kid, Bravado, Subdivisions. Good call on Marathon, some of his best drum work ever.I'm going to give it a spin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyta Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) Vital Signs, Natural Science, The Weapon, Marathon, The Mission (second verse), The Analog Kid, Bravado, Subdivisions. Good call on Marathon, some of his best drum work ever.I'm going to give it a spin.Love this song, every time I listen I can see someone running in my mind, with the driving tempo and I love the fade on the synth Edited October 25, 2014 by Rhyta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Roger Taylor has a very distinctive way of using the hi-hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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