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Which album started Rush's "decline"?


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  1. 1. Which album started Rush's "decline"?

    • Rush
    • Fly By Night
    • Caress of Steel
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    • 2112
    • A Farewell to Kings
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    • Hemispheres
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    • Permanent Waves
    • Moving Pictures
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    • Signals
    • Grace Under Pressure
    • Power Windows
    • Hold Your Fire
    • Presto
    • Roll the Bones
    • Counterparts
    • Test for Echo
    • Vapor Trails
    • Feedback
    • Snakes and Arrows
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    • Clockwork Angels
    • Rush started declining before they released their first album
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    • Rush have been constantly ascending
    • No decline whatsoever; Rush are a progressive band so they are always "progressing"
    • The band has never declined, the listener has.
    • I "decline" to participate in this poll.


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Never been a 'decline' so to speak but, although it was a well written album musically & lyrically, i do feel the band underwent a small rethink after roll the bones, the general feel of which could have been described by some as tinny and underwhelming perhaps.

 

I mean the album's great i personally loved it, but coming back with counterparts probably showed a more radical than usual attempt to address some issues. I dunno, thats just what i think.

 

The only other thing i'd say is that for me personally, the album clockwork angels is only roughly half rush brilliance, the other half being ok but nothing too special.

 

I've never felt like that about a single rush album before. They all been brilliant in entirety.

 

Not suggesting was a decline really, coz to be quite honest the quality stuff on CA is utterly sublime rush and makes up what would have been a full vinyl album before cd's came along.

 

Just a little bit of a slight worry for me personally thats all i'm sure the guys will rectify that in the next effort if hopefully there is one. Can't criticize these guys work/creative effort at all over the decades obviously they're very special talents indeed we owe so much to.

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Rush has had a decline? :huh:

 

True, there may be a couple of albums I don't like that much, and there may be lower quality songcraft in some places that we can pinpoint. But the thread subject's title question implies that they started to go downhill at some point and have never recovered. And I can't hang with that point of view. It's just not so.

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I wish i could vote for starting at Vital signs, or maybe even Witch Hunt. I'm usually looking for the next disc to put in when Camera Eye ends, so I feel like I am pretty tuned out during Witch hunt. I almost never hear Vital signs before I hit eject. That is where the decline started for me. To keep with the rules I voted signals
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I'd say decline is too harsh a word. Also they didn't immediately improve on the debut. Rush to FBN to CoS is a decline that suddenly reverses and launches to the top with 2112. 2112>Presto IMHO has very few (can count them on one hand) bad songs.

 

Then they became inconsistent again. RTB is saddled with Heresy and Face Up, Cp is a big improvement, then T4E backslides.

 

Followed by their second big comeback: VT, S&A and CA are all better than RTB and T4E

 

If anything the band is declining NOW! The boys are human too right? LOL! I mean sometimes during the last few tours it was hard trying to listen to Geddy sing.

Neil seemed like he was huffing and a puffing like Puff The Magic Dragon! HAHAHA!

 

To be honest the only one who is NOT declining is Alex!! Damn he's getting better during each tour!!!! JMO!!!

 

How will Geddy's voice survive the next tour in the spring of 2015? Thank GOD there is no new album so maybe they will play "Jacob's Ladder" so every fanboi can grab a Coke, pop some Cheetos and jack off on the internet! Jesus!

 

I pray there is no orchestra this time around. Maybe they will open with an instrumental medley like they did on the R30 Tour.

 

What will this tour be called? R40.5?

 

 

I'm going off the rails of a crazy train. I have just lost my wit.

 

So hey, it is what it is.

 

We are lucky our band is still alive and well.

 

Personally I'm just not going to travel anymore for the band outside of California.

 

Time will tell.

I was thinking about Geddy's vocal issues the other night, and I think we may not have to worry. Think about it, the CA tour was very long, and it started basically immediately after the very long Time Machine Tour. That's a lot of touring by anyone's standards, perhaps Geddy's voice was just getting tired? Who knows? Maybe after this extended break he'll come back sounding like he did on Snakes Edited by Geddy's Soul Patch
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I think that it's indisputable that the sun rose and set on their "golden" period somewhere between 76-82, though the quality remained high till about 87 IMO...after that, it's been a pretty steady decline
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“Decline” is not the word I would choose either but clearly (IMHO) there was a stretch of time that lasted a few albums where they completely lost their edge. For me it began on Hold Your Fire and lasted through Roll the Bones. For me those albums are hard to listen to because I can’t help but wonder how they would sound with more balls. Thank goodness for us their balls dropped and they came roaring back with Counterparts and have not last their edge since.
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Jesus, permanent waves was an absolute mindblower for me, like they'd just cranked it up into the 21st century wayy ahead of the rest.

 

Every. Single. NOTE. of that album. Was perfect.

 

Even the album graphics and general look of the band was a new cool, like the old prog look finally shaken off.

 

I resent this album even being mentioned in a rush decline thread :)

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Jesus, permanent waves was an absolute mindblower for me, like they'd just cranked it up into the 21st century wayy ahead of the rest.

 

Every. Single. NOTE. of that album. Was perfect.

 

Even the album graphics and general look of the band was a new cool, like the old prog look finally shaken off.

 

I resent this album even being mentioned in a rush decline thread :)

 

It truly is the last great blast of the 70s . . .

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Jesus, permanent waves was an absolute mindblower for me, like they'd just cranked it up into the 21st century wayy ahead of the rest.

 

Every. Single. NOTE. of that album. Was perfect.

 

Even the album graphics and general look of the band was a new cool, like the old prog look finally shaken off.

 

I resent this album even being mentioned in a rush decline thread :)

 

It truly is the last great blast of the 70s . . .

 

:unsure: But...but...it was released on January 1, 1980! :unsure:

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Jesus, permanent waves was an absolute mindblower for me, like they'd just cranked it up into the 21st century wayy ahead of the rest.

 

Every. Single. NOTE. of that album. Was perfect.

 

Even the album graphics and general look of the band was a new cool, like the old prog look finally shaken off.

 

I resent this album even being mentioned in a rush decline thread :)

 

It truly is the last great blast of the 70s . . .

 

:unsure: But...but...it was released on January 1, 1980! :unsure:

 

Shhh!

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I remember feeling pretty dismayed when Permanent Waves came out.

 

What was it about the album that was so disappointing to you?

 

Just the change in direction/feel. I eventually grew to be quite fond of the album, but at the time it came out, it seemed shockingly "poppy".

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I remember feeling pretty dismayed when Permanent Waves came out.

 

What was it about the album that was so disappointing to you?

 

JARG, never mind. I'm listening to Xanadu now and I have my answer.

 

:LOL:

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I think they started as a hard rock band and had an interest in progressive rock that was inspired more when Neil joined. They were hungry and learning fast and got better and better as players. I love their prog era but think that when they decided not to emulate their prog heroes after Hemispheres they made their two best and perhaps most popular albums. Then they felt the need not to repeat themselves and the result was Signals, followed by reactionary changes. The production was not as good on Signals and the guitar was too quiet, so they fired Terry Brown and in their own words 'overreacted on GUP'. Then back to keys, then lessen keys but production too thin, then heavey guitar, then new drum style, then horrible production... I like most of most albums but since Moving Pictures there has usually been a complaint by one or more band members later about something that wasn't right and also with fans. There is always something not quite right or bad production, too much keyboards or wall of overdubbed guitar, too many vocal overdubs (chorus of Geddy). There is always a distraction and it started after the success of MP. The overall quality has been high but I wonder if they would have been better off if MP had sold 1 million rather than 4 million+. Edited by Grover
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I think they started as a hard rock band and had an interest in progressive rock that was inspired more when Neil joined. They were hungry and learning fast and got better and better as players. I love their prog era but think that when they decided not to emulate their prog heroes after Hemispheres they made their two best and perhaps most popular albums. Then they felt the need not to repeat themselves and the result was Signals, followed by reactionary changes. The production was not as good on Signals and the guitar was too quiet, so they fired Terry Brown and in their own words 'overreacted on GUP'. Then back to keys, then lessen keys but production too thin, then heavey guitar, then new drum style, then horrible production... I like most of most albums but since Moving Pictures there has usually been a complaint by one or more band members later about something that wasn't right and also with fans. There is always something not quite right or bad production, too much keyboards or wall of overdubbed guitar, too many vocal overdubs (chorus of Geddy). There is always a distraction and it started after the success of MP. The overall quality has been high but I wonder if they would have been better off if MP had sold 1 million rather than 4 million+.

That's the spirit! I like someone that likes their own posts. Just for that, I will give you a like too. ;)

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I think they started as a hard rock band and had an interest in progressive rock that was inspired more when Neil joined. They were hungry and learning fast and got better and better as players. I love their prog era but think that when they decided not to emulate their prog heroes after Hemispheres they made their two best and perhaps most popular albums. Then they felt the need not to repeat themselves and the result was Signals, followed by reactionary changes. The production was not as good on Signals and the guitar was too quiet, so they fired Terry Brown and in their own words 'overreacted on GUP'. Then back to keys, then lessen keys but production too thin, then heavey guitar, then new drum style, then horrible production... I like most of most albums but since Moving Pictures there has usually been a complaint by one or more band members later about something that wasn't right and also with fans. There is always something not quite right or bad production, too much keyboards or wall of overdubbed guitar, too many vocal overdubs (chorus of Geddy). There is always a distraction and it started after the success of MP. The overall quality has been high but I wonder if they would have been better off if MP had sold 1 million rather than 4 million+.

That's the spirit! I like someone that likes their own posts. Just for that, I will give you a like too. ;)

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Earl, you sound an awful lot like Spaghetti to me. Lose one, gain one. :)

Earl is to Spaghetti Lee as Xanadu is to Faithless.

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