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Which album started Rush's "decline"?

  1. Rush (3 votes [3.66%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.66%

  2. Fly By Night (1 votes [1.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.22%

  3. Caress of Steel (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 2112 (1 votes [1.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.22%

  5. A Farewell to Kings (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Hemispheres (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Permanent Waves (3 votes [3.66%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.66%

  8. Moving Pictures (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Signals (10 votes [12.20%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.20%

  10. Grace Under Pressure (5 votes [6.10%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.10%

  11. Power Windows (4 votes [4.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  12. Hold Your Fire (3 votes [3.66%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.66%

  13. Presto (7 votes [8.54%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.54%

  14. Roll the Bones (4 votes [4.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  15. Counterparts (2 votes [2.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  16. Test for Echo (3 votes [3.66%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.66%

  17. Vapor Trails (1 votes [1.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.22%

  18. Feedback (1 votes [1.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.22%

  19. Snakes and Arrows (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  20. Clockwork Angels (1 votes [1.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.22%

  21. Rush started declining before they released their first album (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  22. Rush have been constantly ascending (2 votes [2.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  23. No decline whatsoever; Rush are a progressive band so they are always "progressing" (13 votes [15.85%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.85%

  24. The band has never declined, the listener has. (11 votes [13.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.41%

  25. I "decline" to participate in this poll. (7 votes [8.54%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.54%

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#181 Rushman14

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 02:18 PM

View Postbluefox4000, on 23 October 2014 - 05:27 PM, said:

Well i can only speak for myself.  Every time i felt myself warming up to him........which happened on occasion.  He'd say 50 moronic things that made me want to punch him in the mouth.

I don't miss him.

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 02:23 PM

What's wrong with Signals?

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 02:40 PM

In retrospect, there is nothing wrong with it.  At the time, it was quite a culture shock to the hard-rockin, power chord lovin' Rush fan.  This came from the band that had just released Moving Pictures the year before and, all of a sudden, the synthesizers which had been in the background for several albums were now moved to a higher priority than the guitar on many of the songs.  The change was so drastic that it led to the band moving on from Terry Brown after he voiced his displeasure regarding the direction of the band during the Signals recording sessions.

It was a very tough pill to swallow in 1982 (at least for me).  In 2014, it's an enjoyable collection of songs from a band who were going through a major metamorphosis.

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 02:45 PM

I was around then too, and I liked it.  But, then, I had no idea how great their seventies' music was (because what was chosen to represent those epic albums on the radio wasn't enough to catch my attention), so I wouldn't have known they had made a major change in style.

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 02:59 PM

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

What's wrong with Signals?

too drastic a change from the wave they were riding with Moving Pictures. They lost a good chunk of their fan base, including a lot of my friends at the time,

Edited by Rushman14, 31 October 2014 - 04:48 PM.


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Posted 31 October 2014 - 03:22 PM

View PostRushman14, on 31 October 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

What's wrong with Signals?

too drastic a change from the wave they were riding with Moving Pictures. They lost a good chunk of their fan base, including a lot my friends at the time,
Who's to say it was too drastic of a change? I'm sure Rush didn't care that your friends didn't like it

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 03:30 PM

View PostGeddy, on 31 October 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

View PostRushman14, on 31 October 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

What's wrong with Signals?

too drastic a change from the wave they were riding with Moving Pictures. They lost a good chunk of their fan base, including a lot my friends at the time,
Who's to say it was too drastic of a change? I'm sure Rush didn't care that your friends didn't like it

His friends were probably losers...

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 04:30 PM

I just listened to both Moving Pictures and Signals this morning and I don't hear that much of a difference.  Personally, if I had to rate the first three eighties albums, Moving Pictures would be #3 with Permanent Waves #1.

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 04:34 PM

Why can't I quote people? Yes Lorraine, you're right, the writing is the same for example is there much difference between Witch Hunt and Subdivisions, and Vital Signs and New World Man.

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 04:40 PM

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

I just listened to both Moving Pictures and Signals this morning and I don't hear that much of a difference.  Personally, if I had to rate the first three eighties albums, Moving Pictures would be #3 with Permanent Waves #1.

Don't you mean the last 70s album and the first two 80s albums?

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 04:47 PM

View Postsavagegrace26, on 31 October 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

I just listened to both Moving Pictures and Signals this morning and I don't hear that much of a difference.  Personally, if I had to rate the first three eighties albums, Moving Pictures would be #3 with Permanent Waves #1.

Don't you mean the last 70s album and the first two 80s albums?
But, wasn't Permanent Waves released on January 1, 1980?  :cool:

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 04:54 PM

View Postsavagegrace26, on 31 October 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

View PostGeddy, on 31 October 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

View PostRushman14, on 31 October 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

What's wrong with Signals?

too drastic a change from the wave they were riding with Moving Pictures. They lost a good chunk of their fan base, including a lot my friends at the time,
Who's to say it was too drastic of a change? I'm sure Rush didn't care that your friends didn't like it

His friends were probably losers...

Oh my friends were definitely losers, but I think even Rush acknowledges it was a dramatic shift in their sound. And they wouldn't have it any other way.

The album would sound better to my ears if the guitars weren't overpowered by the keyboards.

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 04:55 PM

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 31 October 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

I just listened to both Moving Pictures and Signals this morning and I don't hear that much of a difference.  Personally, if I had to rate the first three eighties albums, Moving Pictures would be #3 with Permanent Waves #1.

Don't you mean the last 70s album and the first two 80s albums?
But, wasn't Permanent Waves released on January 1, 1980?  :cool:

That was this date in China:
Yi-Chou(Ox) (11th month), 14, 4677

So I guess it's 70s...

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 04:56 PM

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 31 October 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

I just listened to both Moving Pictures and Signals this morning and I don't hear that much of a difference.  Personally, if I had to rate the first three eighties albums, Moving Pictures would be #3 with Permanent Waves #1.

Don't you mean the last 70s album and the first two 80s albums?
But, wasn't Permanent Waves released on January 1, 1980?  :cool:

Yes.

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 04:56 PM

View Postsavagegrace26, on 31 October 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 31 October 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 31 October 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

I just listened to both Moving Pictures and Signals this morning and I don't hear that much of a difference.  Personally, if I had to rate the first three eighties albums, Moving Pictures would be #3 with Permanent Waves #1.

Don't you mean the last 70s album and the first two 80s albums?
But, wasn't Permanent Waves released on January 1, 1980?  :cool:

That was this date in China:
Yi-Chou(Ox) (11th month), 14, 4677

So I guess it's 70s...
It's a true work of the 47th century :P

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 05:13 PM

Yes, Lorraine that was my introduction to Rush, Christmas Eve 1979 and we used to frequent this heavy rock night club with the ironic name of The Floral Hall because they had flower shows there. The place had an incredible 10,000 watt P.A. with massive speaker bins. I'd been drinking all day and fell asleep under a table. I slowly stirred when I thought I was back home by the sea, an acoustic guitar started and this strange voice that sounded like a kid on Helium. After it was over I thought that was incredible, for days afterwards I harassed my friends as to who it was until they relented and told me it was the new album Permanent Waves by Rush. I was hooked.

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 05:26 PM

View Posttas7, on 31 October 2014 - 05:13 PM, said:

Yes, Lorraine that was my introduction to Rush, Christmas Eve 1979 and we used to frequent this heavy rock night club with the ironic name of The Floral Hall because they had flower shows there. The place had an incredible 10,000 watt P.A. with massive speaker bins. I'd been drinking all day and fell asleep under a table. I slowly stirred when I thought I was back home by the sea, an acoustic guitar started and this strange voice that sounded like a kid on Helium. After it was over I thought that was incredible, for days afterwards I harassed my friends as to who it was until they relented and told me it was the new album Permanent Waves by Rush. I was hooked.

Tas, thank you for telling us this story.   There are two threads in this section arguing about whether Permanent Waves is a seventies or an eighties album.

So, in Tasmania Permanent Waves was already being played Christmas Eve of 1979?

I love Permanent Waves myself.  :wub:  It is my #1 favorite Rush album.

Edited by Lorraine, 31 October 2014 - 05:28 PM.


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Posted 31 October 2014 - 06:07 PM

I wasn't in Tasmania at the time Lorraine, I was in Liverpool, UK having moved there in October. The DJ had an early issue as they usually do. The track in question was obviously Natural Science. A friend then lent me all the back catalogue up until then, it was like being a kid in the lolly shop.

Edited by tas7, 31 October 2014 - 06:09 PM.


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Posted 31 October 2014 - 06:25 PM

I think people are mentioning signals because it was a fairly drastic departure from the guitar in your face progressive rock to more of a radio friendly synth sound. I didn't really like the direction they were taking of the time either though I can appreciate it now and really like the album. I still feel that their departure from strictly prog rock was a mistake. They just did it so well. Not that I haven't learned to appreciate their music since, but I still think that's their best stuff by far.




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